News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[GhostHost1000]

Sure, but you keep blaming the victim anyway... Like "well she shouldn't have been dressed the way anyway..."

we can agree to disagree here but Disney plays a role in some of the PR messes they enter themselves into

 

[flynnibus]

What Disney did in my opinion was throw excess chum into the water and attract sharks from both islands.

What Florida is doing however is wrong. Period. No question about it. It’s a political stunt like everything else unfortunately in the world these days but Disney drew attention to themselves more than necessary to get here

I suggest you lookup what it means to "chill" free speech.

The very idea that someone needs to shy away from the attention is in itself a repression of the privilege. You don't tell someone "Oh you are free to be gay, you just shouldn't talk about it..." -- which is exactly the line of thought you keep repeating here. Stop blaming the victim for doing exactly what they are guaranteed protection to be able to do FREELY.

 

[mmascari]

Someone fact check me - I am not sure if the state technically ever needed to justify it? That they always could have dissolved RCID at will?

That's so "last week", please try to keep up. The state is no longer trying to dissolve RCID. They determined that the negative impact to the state of that plan was to large.

This week, they're trying to take over control of the RCID elected government and replace them with state appointed unelected officials that have no relationship with those being governed. Specifically so they can control those being governed.

Please keep up. Next month they may decide they don't like the mayor of Miami want to replace them too.

 

[Dranth]

I never said it was a good idea. In fact, I am against it.

The new district can't possibly make things easier for WDW to do anything.

For purely selfish reasons, I want WDW be able to build new things at will like they could with RCID.

The state had the power to do this at any time during the 50 something years.

Someone fact check me - I am not sure if the state technically ever needed to justify it? That they always could have dissolved RCID at will?

The state may have the right to give and take away a special district but to take it over?

I am sure the lawsuits will start once the law goes into or is about to go into effect.

 

[LittleBuford]

Any way would have probably been better than this way. They literally played and made both sides mad in how they handled all of this. The decision making over the last few years in general for TWDC for many things has been questionable at times

Since the discussion is going around in circles, let me try asking you whether you can see why people view your position as contradictory, even if you would disagree with them?

 

[Chi84]

Any way would have probably been better than this way. They literally played and made both sides mad in how they handled all of this. The decision making over the last few years in general for TWDC for many things has been questionable at times

But can you give an example of one better way? It seems no one here really understands what you mean by "any way would have probably been better than this way."

 

[GhostHost1000]

Since the discussion is going around in circles, let me try asking you whether you can see why people view your position as contradictory, even if you would disagree with them?

Easily, because many can’t be open minded to see it from both sides and that both have been and are making bad decisions

 

[Chi84]

Easily, because many can’t be open minded to see it from both sides and that both have been and are making bad decisions

I'm tying to be open-minded. Can you give one example of what you see as a better way Disney could have handled this?

 

[mmascari]

we can agree to disagree here but Disney plays a role in some of the PR messes they enter themselves into

This isn't a PR mess.

Customers cancelling trips to WDW because they don't like a company position. That's a PR mess.

Retribution by state government over policy positions is NOT the same thing.

If you cannot tell them apart, it's not worth discussion. Nobody else is talking about the same thing as you. You've redefined those two things to be equivalent.

 

[GhostHost1000]

I'm tying to be open-minded. Can you give one example of what you see as a better way Disney could have handled this?

Well Disney is the only company in this battle, so one broad example would be how other companies handled it

 

[GoofGoof]

It is Disney's fault. Not because of who or what they want to champion, but due to the arrogance of thinking they can get away with anything-gouging, reducing or removing service, and more- Now the State's retaliation is out of line, but didn't the state do what Disney has done to others by pushing their weight on whatever they want.

Maybe, I mean Maybe, had they treated the consumer that puts $$ in the coffers just a little bit better- they would come to Disney's defense, rather then Disney lead the negative dirty laundry out for all to see.

There is no way to equate what the state is doing to the actions of a private company. Disney has used its position as a large corporation the same way many other large corporations do. That is different than a government abusing their power to punish people who speak against them. The government exists to serve the people not to push their weight on whatever they want. You are free to dislike Disney and free to not buy their products. That’s the appropriate reaction. Not government overreach.

 

[flynnibus]

we can agree to disagree here but Disney plays a role in some of the PR messes they enter themselves into

You keep deflecting to other topics in attempt to keep blaming Disney.

"A PR mess" does not invite state retaliation against protected activity. These are entirely separate lanes and you keep trying to cross them to further your belief that Disney invited the response. It doesn't matter what Disney invited it or not because the response is so fundamentally wrong.

It's the same reason we can't tell the Gov to shutdown some wacko preaching some inane political theory. It doesn't matter if the person INVITED the attention - It's HANDS OFF. So when we are talking about the government action, if the person "deserves it" "invited it" or anything of that sort is not even part of the discussion because IT DOESN'T MATTER.

If you want to engage in a discussion about the Gov response to Disney.... you gotta stick tothe laws that govern that situation. What you think about Disney inviting attention elsewhere is immaterial.

 

[Patcheslee]

Putting the mayors of other, physically removed municipalities on a Board that runs the services of different municipalities is a pretty egregious move that shows the lack of familiarity with the actual setup.

Barring people who made contributions and such to Governor seems like an "even the playing field" type thing. That part makes some sense to me.

 

[LittleBuford]

Easily, because many can’t be open minded to see it from both sides and that both have been and are making bad decisions

To reduce this to “Both sides are at fault” is an internally consistent position, though not one I personally agree with. It’s the fact that you’re also saying “And the government’s actions are totally wrong” that makes your stance appear contradictory to others. It’s not entirely clear to me that you recognise that.

 

[Chi84]

Well Disney is the only company in this battle, so one broad example would be how other companies handled it

I haven't really been following. Which other companies and how did they handle it?

 

[GoofGoof]

Agree with you on everything you said.

What I attempted to articulate was Arrogance put Disney in its own dilemma. As I stated, the states retaliation is out of line. The state did what Disney has done for years leading up to this- Push their weight around.

Disney is not the victim; they are the bully and the bully got bullied back.

You are still putting Disney and the government as equals. If Disney bullied people the bullying back needs to come from consumers not buying the products. If Disney took actions that were illegal then it’s the government‘s job to stop those actions. It’s not the government’s job to bully Disney in retaliation to perceived wrongs.

 

[drnilescrane]

Bingo

I'm also willing to speculate that Disney's lobbyists might have already known that the RCID issue was on the table before all this even happened and that's why they acted the way they did.

 

[mmascari]

Instead, we had the worst possible people to handle this responding to this in the worst possible way and falling into the trap created for them by bad actors.

If we ignore the power of the state being used against Disney for a minute.

What's the actual fall out of all the rest of the actions?

Has labor walked out?
Are they having a harder time hiring new people?
Are employees quitting in larger numbers?
Have sales gone down for any Disney products?
Specific to WDW, are hotel room bookings down? Park ticket sales slumping? Perhaps food/beverage or souvenir sales are down in the parks? Trouble booking entertainment?

There were bumps along the way for some of those things, that could have gone better. But, none of them appear to have actually harmed Disney in any meaningful way.

Which get's us back to, we cannot just ignore the power of the state being used against Disney. Which is the one thing that none of those bad decisions covered should have ever needed to worry about. None of those decisions is in any way ever something to be done differently because of fear about the power of the state.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Barring people who made contributions and such to Governor seems like an "even the playing field" type thing. That part makes some sense to me.

That one isn’t bad, but giving control of one city to another is just bad. It shows that a poor understanding of the District is a real problem amongst legislators.

 

[Chi84]

he probably could have issued a milquetoast statement about supporting employees and opposing the bill and we wouldn't have gotten past the first point.

Disney started with a “milquetoast” statement and this is what happened.

Disney employees stage walkout to demand action against 'Don't Say Gay' bill

Disney employees are walking out in protest of Disney's response concerning the "Don't Say Gay" bill in Florida.

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