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[GoofGoof]

No, they definitely didn’t stop those, they use those to make political statements as well. Therein lies some of the problems Disney has related to their image now REGARDLESS if they are right or wrong for what they or we believe, that’s not what Walt designed the company to do and what shareholders invest in

We are all consumers. If you don’t like the content move on. Simple as that. The state has no business stepping in to try to make Disney less “woke”.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Totally agree. A company taking a side (in this case TWDC) is what caused this RCID mess in the first place in my opinion.

As @GhostHost1000 just said, companies should focus on running their business.

I should have warned you that you’d be attacked for agreeing with me. Everyone is stuck in their corner and then comes out fighting when you don’t agree with them

 

[GhostHost1000]

We are all consumers. If you don’t like the content move on. Simple as that. The state has no business stepping in to try to make Disney less “woke”.

In case you missed it, I don’t agree with what the state is doing.

 

[GoofGoof]

In case you missed it, I don’t agree with what the state is doing.

No I got that. My statement was more in general about the situation than directed at you. Anyone who doesn’t like Disney or their products is free to not watch or buy or visit.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I should have warned you that you’d be attacked for agreeing with me. Everyone is stuck in their corner and then comes out fighting when you don’t agree with them

Nobody is being attacked for agreeing with you…

The stance just isn’t realistic

It’s the “game”, not the player

 

[Rickcat96]

I could care less who Disney likes or dislikes, if they want my vacation, movie, merchandise ETC dollars, my expectation is I will receive quality service in return. When the cost outweighs the quality, I am gone.

Disney has done a superb job at keeping themselves in a negative news posture.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Nobody is being attacked for agreeing with you…

The stance just isn’t realistic

It’s the “game”, not the player

and it’s an opinion, not a contest

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

and it’s an opinion, not a contest

I often agree with you…

But this isn’t your finest work


There’s two traps we often fall into around here:
1. Mining the past for current grievances (a lot of the splash mountain talk and offshoots is exactly that)
2. Saying things we don’t like today don’t conform to a standard that never existed…like saying Disney was ever not political.

You don’t like the direction of their politics - which is a business decision for future money - not that they are “soiling” their reputation with it.

 

[rio]

In case you missed it, I don’t agree with what the state is doing.

But you're condoning the state's actions by saying "Disney shouldn't have gotten involved, so it's their fault." No individual or company should be punished by the state based on how the state "feels" at that particular moment.

 

[GhostHost1000]

I often agree with you…

But this isn’t your finest work

I’m not here to score points. It’s a discussion forum on opinions. Everyone is entitled to them. I honestly see both sides of all of this. What the state is doing is flat out wrong, but I still stand by my original statement that all of this could have been avoided if things were handled differently by Disney and their poorly managed PR machine under Chapek and co.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m not here to score points. It’s a discussion forum on opinions. Everyone is entitled to them. I honestly see both sides of all of this. What the state is doing is flat out wrong, but I still stand by my original statement that all of this could have been avoided if things were handled differently by Disney and their poorly managed PR machine under Chapek and co.

Poorly handled?

Yes…chapek was a buffoon that should never have been allowed near that job.
Iger should be fired today for it. Like now…

But…Disney had no choice when you look at the dynamics of the situation the minute this storm was invented out of the ether…and that’s all it ever is, was or will be…

So there was no viable alternative given the circumstances. It’s either anger the politicians or face a worker revolt that would have damaged their labor situation (which isn’t good anyway) for decades.
That was the calculus. Florida caused it and blamed Hollywood.

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

Is it just “random luck” that Walmarts and targets…home depots and Lowe’s…were all across the street from each other?

Kinda a useless side story, i read a article awhile ago about industries with multiple brands close in location. I want to say it was about fast food specifically, why you saw McDonald, Burger King, Wendy’s, etc. huddled close together.

Something like company A spent millions on market research and real estate location consulting and built a location. Then Company B comes along and says, “well if it’s good enough for them, let’s build there too” as their research and spend a tiny fraction of the costs.

I need to find that article again. It was more amusing than anything.

 

[Ghost93]

No, they definitely didn’t stop those, they use those to make political statements as well. Therein lies some of the problems Disney has related to their image now REGARDLESS if they are right or wrong for what they or we believe, that’s not what Walt designed the company to do and what shareholders invest in

Walt produced World War II propaganda in the 1940s and testified that some animators were communists. He was totally political.

 

[Rickcat96]

But you're condoning the state's actions by saying "Disney shouldn't have gotten involved, so it's their fault." No individual or company should be punished by the state based on how the state "feels" at that particular moment.

It is Disney's fault. Not because of who or what they want to champion, but due to the arrogance of thinking they can get away with anything-gouging, reducing or removing service, and more- Now the State's retaliation is out of line, but didn't the state do what Disney has done to others by pushing their weight on whatever they want.

Maybe, I mean Maybe, had they treated the consumer that puts $$ in the coffers just a little bit better- they would come to Disney's defense, rather then Disney lead the negative dirty laundry out for all to see.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Poorly handled?

Yes…chapek was a buffoon that should never have been allowed near that job.
Iger should be fired today for it. Like now…

But…Disney had no choice when you look at the dynamics of the situation the minute this storm was invented out of the either…and that’s all it ever is, was or will be…

So there was no viable alternative given the circumstances. It’s either anger the politicians or face a worker revolt that would have damaged their labor situation (which isn’t good anyway) for decades.
Thar was the calculus. Florida caused it and blamed Hollywood.

Poorly handled because they literally played and p’ed off both sides

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Poorly handled because they literally played and ed off both sides

Which just reinforces the point I was making…there was no “neutrality” here given the variables

 

[Zummi Gummi]

A slew of amendments were filed this morning, none of which stand a chance in the legislature, I would imagine, unless some members of the state GOP want to rile DeSantis.

Multiple Amendments Seek to Strip Governor's Power from Reedy Creek Improvement District Takeover Bill

Ahead of today's State Affairs Committee meeting, multiple representatives have proposed a number of amendments to House Bill 9B

blogmickey.com

 

[Dranth]

I’m not here to score points. It’s a discussion forum on opinions. Everyone is entitled to them. I honestly see both sides of all of this. What the state is doing is flat out wrong, but I still stand by my original statement that all of this could have been avoided if things were handled differently by Disney and their poorly managed PR machine under Chapek and co.

I can't speak for everyone but I agree with you except for the both sides part and I feel like that is where a lot of the push back come from.

It is true that what the state is doing is wrong. It is also true that Chapek made things much worse than they would have been due to his bungling around.

The difference is what the state is doing, even if they get away with it through some legal loop hole, is against the very core belief that political speech is protected in this country. That is what makes this not a both sides argument for many of us. Disney’s actions were legal, even if someone doesn’t agree with them, the government response is not.

 

[GhostHost1000]

I can't speak for everyone but I agree with you except for the both sides part and I feel like that is where a lot of the push back come from.

It is true that what the state is doing is wrong. It is also true that Chapek made things much worse than they would have been due to his bungling around.

The difference is what the state is doing, even if they get away with it through some legal loop hole, is against the very core belief that political speech is protected in this country. That is what makes this not a both sides argument for many of us. Disney’s actions were legal, even if someone doesn’t agree with them, the government response is not.

I agree with everything you said. 100%. Not sure why I get attacked for saying this could have been avoided. Your statement about Chapek making things worse is exactly what I’m referring to

 

[lazyboy97o]

A slew of amendments were filed this morning, none of which stand a chance in the legislature, I would imagine, unless some members of the state GOP want to rile DeSantis.

Multiple Amendments Seek to Strip Governor's Power from Reedy Creek Improvement District Takeover Bill

Ahead of today's State Affairs Committee meeting, multiple representatives have proposed a number of amendments to House Bill 9B

blogmickey.com

Putting the mayors of other, physically removed municipalities on a Board that runs the services of different municipalities is a pretty egregious move that shows the lack of familiarity with the actual setup.