flynnibus
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Your retelling of things is horrible
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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Sirwalterraleigh
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I was thinking the same thing
RCID was created so they could create the largest entertainment complex ever…worth hundreds - at this point - of billions of dollars to the people of Florida
Yes. That matters.
It should also end this nonsense “discussion”
Disstevefan1
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Thanks! Thats exactly my objective
Don't worry TWDC will be fine, it's just the locals who never visit WDW who will get screwed.
There's a certain amount of distance between Disney and politicians created through the use of lobbyists.
We talk very differently about employed executives and decision makers having discussions with politicians than we do about lobbyists for those companies having similar conversations. The results, actions, and commitment to topics covered in those conversations is very different based on the different participants too.
I agree the as-is current situation is not likely to be the final result. I think it's all in the legislature to make the next move, and we've seen them shutdown governments over disagreements before. So, inaction and ending up with the as-is isn't impossible, just unlikely.
Lots of discussion is about how we expect Disney or RCID to fight the elimination. But, there's another possibility too, Disney could simply fight all the of new details they don't like that are part of the replacement. They probably have much better standing for these types of battles too. They wouldn't even need to fight them based on the prior reasons but simply on the merits. So a new district is created, they could fight the new structure based on arguments of the impacted not being involved in the creation process. Or, they don't like the replacement funding, they could fight that based on the legality of creating a new taxing structure without any input from the taxed. Or, they could force that input and then vote it down (or vote for it if they like it). All of those types of suits have the advantage of being based purely in laws governing the creation of new districts and can completely avoid any link to first amendment reasons.
From the outside looking in, this is a significantly less satisfying resolution. From the inside, it's just more rows in that analysis spreadsheet.
Disstevefan1
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I love the, "billions of dollars to the people of Florida"
Tell that to the cast members on the food lines after they got laid off via email when the pandemic started.
The folks in Orange and Osceola counties (who never visit the parks) could really use a couple billion dollars to pay the bond debt that will be dumped on them after RCID is dissolved.
Are you suggesting Disney cares about it's customers?
From all the posts here, one get's the impression that's clearly not true.
In the world of all possible ways this could resolve, this is clearly a possibility. Probably even a more likely one.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Ture on both points -Are you suggesting Disney cares about it's customers?
From all the posts here, one get's the impression that's clearly not true.
In the world of all possible ways this could resolve, this is clearly a possibility. Probably even a more likely one.
Disney does not actually care about their customers, they just want their money.
And its most likely the locals will get screwed.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You want to debate that Disney employees should be paid double?
I have and will lead that charge with you.
But that doesn’t negate what I said.
And this move has ZERO to do with helping workers, residents, vendors or anything else.
They couldn’t even manage to make the standard false promise of better communities and schools. Which is easy and they’ve been too stupid to promise that.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Ignored by who? As I said multiple times now I’m sure all of the factors were included by Disney when determining a desired path forward. I’m sure they have a lists of wants and are working towards getting as much of their desired outcome as possible.
who said it was a commitment or binding? As the article said both sides are talking and have been talking since roughly 2 weeks after the bill was passed. The reporting is that Disney is negotiating. They didn’t say what their asks were and they didn’t say the plan outlined was suggested by or agreed to by the Disney side. Either side could walk away.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Many of them have jobs there…they’re not screwed (in theory)Thanks! Thats exactly my objective
Don't worry TWDC will be fine, it's just the locals who never visit WDW who will get screwed.
If they don’t and don’t have the means to pay now…it’s not in the cards.
And I don’t want it that way…but everyone keeps paying and it “raises the boat” to where many have already drown under it.
“I want to live at Disney!!” Is a mistake 19/20 times…and I may be conservative in that estimate. From vista way through retirement. Nobody lives in shangri la.
No vacancy at that Inn
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GoofGoof
Premium Member
Agree 100%. I brought this up months ago and I was told by posters here there is no way negotiations could be ongoing or it would make the news. I think it was even referred to as super secret negotiations. These are common practice and could very well result in a quietly negotiated outcome or could result in absolutely nothing.
I agree with this too. The state ultimately probably has to play ball and give Disney most of what it wants if it wants to setup a replacement district. It’s not as sensational as a big court showdown and not as satisfying for those whose desired outcome is to see a political victory, but a political victory is not likely to be Disney’s top priority at this point.
The lobbyists are super common.
If a Disney executive with decision making ability was talking with someone from the legislature, that would totally be news with lots of stories. That's the scenario I doubt is happening.
There's no way just a lobbyist can commit Disney to any plan. It's the difference between me getting the PTA to lobby the school for changes to my kids classroom and me talking to the school directly and negotiating a change where I buy all the fundraiser sales this year.
Sort of. My guess is Disney's number one goal is not having to deal with politicians creating laws based on Disney content. With keeping politicians as far away from what content Disney produces and how they manage their employee relations. Whatever achieves this goal the best, that's what Disney is likely to do. So, they're clearly not going to just give in, unless giving in creates the best outcome for Disney.
It doesn't' have to be a huge public fight worthy of popcorn
followed by a documentary and star filled movie adaptation (produced by Disney) to achieve this.I think we're seeing that it will be a slow mostly silent process where the legislature realizes the hole they've dug and works to find a way out that Disney is willing to accept without the legislature loosing to much face.
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GoofGoof
Premium Member
Yep exactly. I’m not sure Disney has to commit formally to anything either way. It’s more like the state asks them what they want or more accurately what they would accept in this situation. The state finalizes a plan then they go back to Disney for comment and adjust if needed. None of that is done with a formal meeting between execs and the governor. Once the legislature is done and formally announces the plan if that plan is unacceptable to Disney the company would then formally object through the courts. If Disney is happy with the plan and it requires their approval they would then publicly comment, if no formal approval is required then no need for comment.
I imagine when this district was created Roy knew that if the state ever tried to dismantle it that “the Company” would not be stuck with any of the bills. Pretty genius.
Also does Disney negotiate with the state or is it the district?
Also does Disney negotiate with the state or is it the district?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Probably depends on what they are talking about. I would think the goal would be the same either way. If the district ultimately gets dissolved as planned there will be a lot of logistical discussions around handoffs and amending contracts and other administrative stuff that would be between RCID and the state or whatever entity takes over. I would think Disney as the largest landowner and taxpayer would be involved directly in any discussion around the structure of a new district if one is formed.
Kamikaze
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Right ... so why did you say RCID shouldn't pay the bill?
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
Technically RCID is responsible for paying WDWs electric bill.
The electric company knows about the pending dissolution of RCID so the electric company is worried they won't get paid, so RCID had to guarantee on paper they will pay even though they may not even exist to pay.
If RCID was honest and says to the electric company, "Thanks to the governor we don't even know if we will be around to pay the bill".
This would force TWDC to actually pay its own electric bill because we know TWDC would not allow WDW to go dark.
Hmmmm..... Welll maybe TWDC would allow WDW to go dark and close for a while again.
Look at what happened when they closed for the pandemic. It gave them an excuse to lay off thousands of cast members, lower costs, cut projects, raise prices and created the most important situation...
Unprecedented Demand.
SplashJacket
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Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
This poor guy is trying to figure out Genie +, park pass reservations and ADRs.
It would be easier if he was an AP.
As an AP you he would never be able to get into the park or get a Lighting Lane.
Vacationeer
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- In the Parks
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With less than 8 months left to 6/1/23 my fantasy is Disney/RCID waiting out their chance to play the ‘doesn’t legally pertain to us’ card, patiently letting that stew in courts while waiting out the opportunity to play the 1A card like a 5 year drawn out Uno game. Disney taught me to dream 