News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Disney4Lyfe]

Sure.

I'll take a Vega Sicilia 2015 Tempranillo.

Better be a darn good steak!

 

[mkt]

Well that’s an interesting perspective. Let’s assume a large percentage of Disney Employees really feel under attack from this bill.

No need to assume. There have already been walkouts.

 

[Brian]

Disney's government relations stupidity has opened Pandora's box in the truest sense of the word. People are digging up all the special little favors Disney gets from the state of Florida. They have a lot to lose by deriding the hands that feed them.

(read full thread for details or this and other "favors")

 

[UNCgolf]

Hopefully this law doesn't survive a federal suit.

There's a strong chance it won't -- it's certainly teetering on the edge of being vague to the point of unconstitutionality. I'm not sure the enforcement mechanism would be at issue, though.

 

[sullyinMT]

I'm trying to avoid any political stance in this thread, so I'll just say this is not something that will be limited to one side. The enforcement mechanism included in this bill can be weaponized against conservative interests just as easily as it can be weaponized against liberal interests. It's a looming disaster for the judicial system.

You mean “rule of law” shouldn’t openly turn people against each other and have the fringes throwing lawsuits at each other with the weight of legislation behind their complaint? Plus the headline pandering to whatever base necessary. Yes, this type of thing is going to be a nasty, nasty powder keg in a social environment ill suited to handle it.

 

[mkt]

They have a lot to lose by deriding the hands that feed them.

Just like Florida stands to lose a lot in terms of jobs and tax revenue.

Florida eliminating RCID is a nuclear option, no one comes out clean from this.

 

[eliza61nyc]

lol, I think wdw should call their bluff.

 

[Disney4Lyfe]

No need to assume. There have already been walkouts.

For the purposes of my conversation I am conceding this point.

 

[mkt]

By begrudgingly supporting its employees who begged them to (with threats to walk-out otherwise)? No CMs = no Magic (and no profit...)

They're already short staffed and desperate.

How do I know? I think I have positive rehire status again.

 

[Brian]

Just like Florida stands to lose a lot in terms of jobs and tax revenue.

Florida eliminating RCID is a nuclear option, no one comes out clean from this.

To be sure.

 

[el_super]

Disney's PR stupidity has opened Pandora's box in the truest sense of the word. People are digging up all the special little favors Disney gets from the state of Florida. They have a lot to lose by deriding the hands that feed them.

Florida has more to lose than Disney does, honestly. Florida won't be able to tout their "pro-business" politics, if they start going after business they don't like. Disney is an entertainment company, founded and controlled in California. This certainly can't be news to anyone in Florida politics. That they suddenly decide NOW to start making grand motions toward doing something about it ... is all bluff.

The real interesting thing here will be to see if Disney is able to get some more favorable concessions from some other states that will capitalize on this, one of course being California. It's the Port Disney fiasco playing out all over again!

 

[UNCgolf]

Regardless of any further discussion about the law itself, I don't think eliminating the RCID is a legitimate concern. There are far more downsides than upsides for the state of Florida in doing so.

This is political bluster.

 

[harryk]

Will the walk-outs get unemployment benefits? I hope not. Demonstrate all you want but don't end up on the public dole.

 

[CastAStone]

Will the walk-outs get unemployment benefits? I hope not. Demonstrate all you want but don't end up on the public dole.

You don’t get unemployment for quitting your job, lol. No.

 

[Thelazer]

Actually, Disney would pay more in taxes to Orange County if this were to pass. Orange county would essentially absorb all the functions such as permitting, etc that currently RCID provides.

Orange county would then sell those services to Disney, just as they do any other business. Same as police and fire, a rate for those services would be set and paid for by Disney.

Yes, projects would take longer and cost more for Disney to build.. but to suggest that this would somehow cause taxes on the citizen's to increase, is simply not true and I'd assume anyone pushing that line is a PR firm hired to do damage. The same goes for the "Well Disney will just pack up and leave Florida" crowed... not going to happen and you all know it.

 

[JohnD]

It was only a matter of time before this came up. Now it's here. I'm through debating the bill. Nevertheless, Disney decided to go all in. Notice how the other theme parks never weighed in? Anyway, now that Disney is all in on this bill, the RCID act and anything else in law that gives them an advantage is now fair game. They have no one to blame but themselves. Disney wants a fight over this bill? They're getting one.

 

[CastAStone]

Actually, Disney would pay more in taxes to Orange County if this were to pass. Orange county would essentially absorb all the functions such as permitting, etc that currently RCID provides.

Orange county would then sell those services to Disney, just as they do any other business. Same as police and fire, a rate for those services would be set and paid for by Disney.

Yes, projects would take longer and cost more for Disney to build.. but to suggest that this would somehow cause taxes on the citizen's to increase, is simply not true and I'd assume anyone pushing that line is a PR firm hired to do damage. The same goes for the "Well Disney will just pack up and leave Florida" crowed... not going to happen and you all know it.

Maybe. It would be up to OC’s leadership to decide what to do.

 

[el_super]

Actually, Disney would pay more in taxes to Orange County if this were to pass. Orange county would essentially absorb all the functions such as permitting, etc that currently RCID provides.

If taxes had to be imposed at the county level, wouldn't that most certainly include other theme park operators in Orlando? They can't just single out Disney.

Yes, projects would take longer and cost more for Disney to build.. but to suggest that this would somehow cause taxes on the citizen's to increase, is simply not true and I'd assume anyone pushing that line is a PR firm hired to do damage.

Really depends on the situation. Things don't occur in a vacuum and raising taxes on Disney/Universal/Theme parks in Orlando to pay for other services would have a negative impact on those companies doing business, that would most likely result in less spending and less job growth overall. That could definitely come back around as higher taxes for citizens to pay for services that were otherwise paid for through other means.

The same goes for the "Well Disney will just pack up and leave Florida" crowed... not going to happen and you all know it.

They don't have to shut down their theme parks to start moving administrative jobs out of the state. They did just promise to move something close to 20,000 people there ... that doesn't have to happen.

 

[JohnD]

If taxes had to be imposed at the county level, wouldn't that most certainly include other theme park operators in Orlando? They can't just single out Disney.



Really depends on the situation. Things don't occur in a vacuum and raising taxes on Disney/Universal/Theme parks in Orlando to pay for other services would have a negative impact on those companies doing business, that would most likely result in less spending and less job growth overall. That could definitely come back around as higher taxes for citizens to pay for services that were otherwise paid for through other means.




They don't have to shut down their theme parks to start moving administrative jobs out of the state. They did just promise to move something close to 20,000 people there ... that doesn't have to happen.

There are plenty of people in the State of Florida who wouldn't be sad to see Disney go whether administrative offices or theme parks, including those on the left and environmentalists. And not just because of this bill. But because of the growth and sprawl that Disney brought to central Florida. Seeing Florida going back to being known primarily for its beaches, rivers, springs, and oranges would be perfectly fine with many people. I realize that's a sentiment and not a likely scenario.

 

[Brian]

They have handled this so poorly that everyone is enraged. You can’t please everyone and they did not have the option to lean out when they have so openly leaned into inclusivity. Their best decision given the 5th key would have been to denounce this bill from the start, reiterate their support of all Cast who qualify as “other,” and to lean even more strongly into inclusion in their media properties (like, gasp, a romantic gay kiss in a movie that is finally coming). Better to anger 50% of people than 100%.

Disney’s inclusivity efforts have already made it clear that they don’t really feel they need the support of ultra-conservative people. So stop trying to please them part of the time. It ends up feeling like “we are inclusive! (Wink-wink)”

Personally, I think that's really poor business. The goal of any business should be to expand and widen it's customer base. Your proposal suggests the company limit it to the arguably half the country that considers themself left-of-center or more, or in the case of the "legislation that started it all," the 36% of Florida Democrat primary voters who oppose one of the core functions of the legislation.