Random Scenes for M.'s Philharmagic

[Chef Mickey]

Soooo.. You're saying that Disney won't do with this attraction exactly what they're doing to soarin? Updating the film quality, the film itself, and the effects?

I am pretty sure that a randomization of scenes is NOT difficult to do by any means. So there shouldn't be any problem making the upgrade. It's no different than how Disney upgraded the Star Tours ride. Heck, it isn't even as complicated as making star tours II because they don't have to program a simulator ride. Just some simple theatre effects.

You can't say Disney can't/wont do something if they've already done something exactly the same AND more complex for another attraction already..

No, because Soarin' is an unbelievably popular E-Ticket ride.

Also, Star Tours is infinitely more popular, now more than ever.

I'm not saying they can't do it because it's too difficult; I'm saying they won't do it because it's too expensive and targeted at kids.

All attractions aren't created equal. You know that. PhilharMagic is not Stars Tours or Soarin'.

Everything sounds easy when you type it out, but it would be a gigantic expense. They've been working on Soarin' over the world for years.

I'm not knocking your idea. I wish Disney would do all kids of things like this on Mid Tier rides all over the park, but they won't because of money.

 

[WondersOfLife]

No, because Soarin' is an unbelievably popular E-Ticket ride.

Also, Star Tours is infinitely more popular, now more than ever.

I'm not saying they can't do it because it's too difficult; I'm saying they won't do it because it's too expensive and targeted at kids.

All attractions aren't created equal. You know that. PhilharMagic is not Stars Tours or Soarin'.

Everything sounds easy when you type it out, but it would be a gigantic expense. They've been working on Soarin' over the world for years.

I'm not knocking your idea. I wish Disney would do all kids of things like this on Mid Tier rides all over the park, but they won't because of money.

There is still a contradiction to your theory, though.. That's like saying they would never upgrade the O' Canada film to Martin Short narrating it simply because the popularity is low.. That's like saying Disney would never close down the Little Mermaid ride to upgrade the lighting simply because it's not unbelievably popular, so why bother making it any better? That's like saying why bother refurbishing The Country Bear Jamboree by adding new costumes, a new sound system, and fixing the animatronics just because of its popularity? The thing is.. They DID do those things listed above to improve their attractions, despite popularity.. and I'm pretty sure they all cost a good bit of money.


Everything costs money, yes. Will Disney do this? I'm sure if someone came up with the idea, they might would consider it. You never know. You can't just make assumptions.

 

[Chef Mickey]

There is still a contradiction to your theory, though.. That's like saying they would never upgrade the O' Canada film to Martin Short narrating it simply because the popularity is low.. That's like saying Disney would never close down the Little Mermaid ride to upgrade the lighting simply because it's not unbelievably popular, so why bother making it any better? That's like saying why bother refurbishing The Country Bear Jamboree by adding new costumes, a new sound system, and fixing the animatronics just because of its popularity? The thing is.. They DID do those things listed above to improve their attractions, despite popularity.. and I'm pretty sure they all cost a good bit of money.


Everything costs money, yes. Will Disney do this? I'm sure if someone came up with the idea, they might would consider it. You never know. You can't just make assumptions.

My assumptions are based on how they handle essentially every ride at Disney right now. CBJ is getting updates, but you're talking about an entirely new concept for a fringe attraction in Fantasyland. It might happen...I just don't see it and my opinion is based on reality.

Disney can barely maintain their most popular attractions, let alone start cooking up new concepts for existing attractions.

Don't even get me started on EPCOT. Your go to is O' Canada? I could list 10 things that need updating 10 years ago at EPCOT.

It's sad but true.

 

[brb1006]

If The Aristocats ever got any representation in Mickey's Philharmagic. I would picture two songs from The Aristocats being used. I would imagine Donald trying to get the hat back from the kittens while Marie is singing "Scales And Arpeggios" at some point Donald gets shrunken down to the size of Roquefort. The hat would end up jumping on the keyboard to hiding inside Toulouse's painting and into Marie's head at one point.


My vision for the Scales And Arpeggios segment is based on the scene from Dragon's Lair 2 with Beethoven which starts at the 5:16 mark of this video to 6:41.


Then for "Everybody Wants To Be A Cat" Donald has to jump on various musical notes in order to get back the hat. Encountering some of the Scat Cats throughout the scene.

 

[Flippin'Flounder]

No, because Soarin' is an unbelievably popular E-Ticket ride.

Also, Star Tours is infinitely more popular, now more than ever.

I'm not saying they can't do it because it's too difficult; I'm saying they won't do it because it's too expensive and targeted at kids.

All attractions aren't created equal. You know that. PhilharMagic is not Stars Tours or Soarin'.

Everything sounds easy when you type it out, but it would be a gigantic expense. They've been working on Soarin' over the world for years.

I'm not knocking your idea. I wish Disney would do all kids of things like this on Mid Tier rides all over the park, but they won't because of money.

Star Tours is not unbelievably popular, the wait is pretty much always lower than GMR. Before the update there was never a line. So yes Star Tours 1.0 is pretty comparable to PhilharMagic.

 

[WondersOfLife]

My assumptions are based on how they handle essentially every ride at Disney right now. CBJ is getting updates, but you're talking about an entirely new concept for a fringe attraction in Fantasyland. It might happen...I just don't see it and my opinion is based on reality.

Disney can barely maintain their most popular attractions, let alone start cooking up new concepts for existing attractions.

New concepts for existing attractions... AGAIN.. Soarin... Star Tours II...

Mickey's Philharmagic is actually fairly popular. There are 494 seats in that theatre and it is normally always at least half full. I'm sure if Soarin' had a capacity of 494 seats every 12 minutes the wait time would probably be the same.

Mickey's Philharmagic has been un-updated for 13 years so honestly, it's probably just as likely to get an upgrade as any attraction.

I'm pretty sure we should call this argument off. You saying yours is based on reality, well mine is too. I've given perfectly reasonable examples. Heck I could throw in Test Track as well. A queue length wait time means nothing to popularity if the freaking attraction has a capacity that is over 400 guests every 12 minutes.

Look at Captain EO. THAT is an example of an unpopular attraction. Hardly about 20 people per showing in that large theatre. So based on your argument, Mickey's Philharmagic has more of a chance of getting a refurb than EO. Because you have stated that apparently only the popular attractions will get the upgrades. I really don't follow.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Star Tours is not unbelievably popular, the wait is pretty much always lower than GMR. Before the update there was never a line. So yes Star Tours 1.0 is pretty comparable to PhilharMagic.

I'm saying the franchise is infinitely more popular. Whether or not the ride is extremely popular is secondary. Disney is putting money into Star Tours because there is a big push for Star Tours now with the movies, merchandising, and the acquisition in general.

Disney isn't itching to spend money on a show that's already popular and isn't going to make them millions on the back end. It won't happen.

 

[Chef Mickey]

New concepts for existing attractions... AGAIN.. Soarin... Star Tours II...

Mickey's Philharmagic is actually fairly popular. There are 494 seats in that theatre and it is normally always at least half full. I'm sure if Soarin' had a capacity of 494 seats every 12 minutes the wait time would probably be the same.

Mickey's Philharmagic has been un-updated for 13 years so honestly, it's probably just as likely to get an upgrade as any attraction.

I'm pretty sure we should call this argument off. You saying yours is based on reality, well mine is too. I've given perfectly reasonable examples. Heck I could throw in Test Track as well. A queue length wait time means nothing to popularity if the freaking attraction has a capacity that is over 400 guests every 12 minutes.

Look at Captain EO. THAT is an example of an unpopular attraction. Hardly about 20 people per showing in that large theatre. So based on your argument, Mickey's Philharmagic has more of a chance of getting a refurb than EO. Because you have stated that apparently only the popular attractions will get the upgrades. I really don't follow.

Philharmagic is still not Test Track, Soarin', Star Tours (with a huge push b/c of the movies and acquisition), or any major attraction.

CBJ was in desperate need of maintenance, so they put some money into it. COP, same thing. That will still be cheaper than modernizing the concept or re-imagining it. That effort is going to be reserved for the MOST popular attractions, Test Track, Soarin', etc. I would guess they would perform maintenance when it's finally in dire need, but they aren't going to shut it down to re-imagine it.

Disney is CHEAP, bottom line. They will maintain rides they just have the wheels falling off, but really not before. Anything getting a complete redo with new concepts is going to be a pretty major draw or have a huge push from Corporate to promote movies or new acquisitions (Star Tours).

I could be wrong. We can wait and see.

 

[Flippin'Flounder]

I'm saying the franchise is infinitely more popular. Whether or not the ride is extremely popular is secondary. Disney is putting money into Star Tours because there is a big push for Star Tours now with the movies, merchandising, and the acquisition in general.

Disney isn't itching to spend money on a show that's already popular and isn't going to make them millions on the back end. It won't happen.

Star Wars is popular, but so is Frozen. A Let it Go segment alone will get people to ride it, and if they miss it the first time they'll keep riding it until they see it. Families with little girls could potentially spend 2+ hours trying to see it. Plus it empties into a shop that people wouldn't go into otherwise. And that's not even counting all the other potential segments that people would want to see. The thing about Star Tours is, only a handful of the mass amount of fans will really try to see every segment.

 

[Rob562]

I am pretty sure that a randomization of scenes is NOT difficult to do by any means. So there shouldn't be any problem making the upgrade. It's no different than how Disney upgraded the Star Tours ride. Heck, it isn't even as complicated as making star tours II because they don't have to program a simulator ride. Just some simple theatre effects.

*Technologically* it's fairly simple to randomize the scenes as you suggest.

*Artistically* it's a far greater challenge. It's not like hitting "random" on your iPod. The scenes would have to be totally re-thought and redesigned, and it may not flow as seamlessly as it does now.
In the current version, all scenes are designed to directly segue into the next: the Be Our Guest mess is cleaned up by the brooms, the splash of the brooms brings us under the sea, the sun through the water morphs into the sun in Lion King, etc. And the soundtrack is written to segue between scenes, too.

Star Tours' randomness is a piece of cake in comparison, since each segment is separated by a viewscreen of just stars.

The better bet would be what the person who suggested to do like they did with Tower of Terror: a few versions of the complete film that are specifically designed to flow from one to the other and are randomly chosen at the start.

-Rob

 

[WondersOfLife]

*Technologically* it's fairly simple to randomize the scenes as you suggest.

*Artistically* it's a far greater challenge. It's not like hitting "random" on your iPod. The scenes would have to be totally re-thought and redesigned, and it may not flow as seamlessly as it does now.
In the current version, all scenes are designed to directly segue into the next: the Be Our Guest mess is cleaned up by the brooms, the splash of the brooms brings us under the sea, the sun through the water morphs into the sun in Lion King, etc. And the soundtrack is written to segue between scenes, too.

Star Tours' randomness is a piece of cake in comparison, since each segment is separated by a viewscreen of just stars.

The better bet would be what the person who suggested to do like they did with Tower of Terror: a few versions of the complete film that are specifically designed to flow from one to the other and are randomly chosen at the start.

-Rob

That definitely can play a factor into it. Although it all depends on how it is done! The randomly chosen flow seems to be the best way for it to work.

 

[The90skid]

*Technologically* it's fairly simple to randomize the scenes as you suggest.

*Artistically* it's a far greater challenge. It's not like hitting "random" on your iPod. The scenes would have to be totally re-thought and redesigned, and it may not flow as seamlessly as it does now.
In the current version, all scenes are designed to directly segue into the next: the Be Our Guest mess is cleaned up by the brooms, the splash of the brooms brings us under the sea, the sun through the water morphs into the sun in Lion King, etc. And the soundtrack is written to segue between scenes, too.

Star Tours' randomness is a piece of cake in comparison, since each segment is separated by a viewscreen of just stars.

The better bet would be what the person who suggested to do like they did with Tower of Terror: a few versions of the complete film that are specifically designed to flow from one to the other and are randomly chosen at the start.

-Rob

Basically, for every combination of scenes, there would have to be unique, artistic/logical transitions between each of them. That is a LOT of transitions if you want to have a decent sized playlist. We can dream though

 

[MaxW]

cool idea, but not *easily done. All of the added scenes would have to be reworked to utilized scent, water, and 3d technology in a efficient way. The scenes from the show were created for the ride, so its not just throw in a new tape. its tons of work to design and implent. Its a great idea and would love for it to happen, but its being over simplified by this thread. @Chef Mickey i thought your points were totally reasonable.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

This is extremely unlikely. An almost entirely knew show would have to be made.

 

[WondersOfLife]

cool idea, but not *easily done. All of the added scenes would have to be reworked to utilized scent, water, and 3d technology in a efficient way. The scenes from the show were created for the ride, so its not just throw in a new tape. its tons of work to design and implent. Its a great idea and would love for it to happen, but its being over simplified by this thread. @Chef Mickey i thought your points were totally reasonable.

For a corporation as big as Disney who has created attractions like Tower of Terror, Star Tours II, Splash Mountain, and countless of other outstanding high-tech attractions...... Nah.

Yes, it requires effort. No, you can't just slap a happy face sticker on a defunct attraction and call it an upgrade. Yes, Disney would have to put some actual work into doing this. But on a scale of 1 to 10 on complications for attraction upgrades, I'd rank this situation like... a 6.

 

[DisneyFans4Life]

So...since the 4D effects such as water, scents, etc all have to be synchronized to the movie...instead of having multiple shows each day, maybe show one movie for a week and then change it to the next.

I'm honestly not sure how much is involved with this type of production, but if they made one show, they could definitely make another. Now...is it something that Disney would invest in at this time...I doubt it.

 

[WondersOfLife]

I'm just saying...

We are currently living in an age where Disney is creating an entire land themed to Avatar... Honestly, with that in mind, I find it hard to predict ANY thing that Disney would green light.