Random Musings from a Disneyland Trip

MichWolv

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We are frequent visitors to WDW (Me-age 44, DW-??, DS1-10, and DS2-3), but our last three Disney trips have, not due to intent but circumstance, been to Disneyland. We just finished the most recent one, and as I write this we're on the flight home.

I'm not going to write anything like a trip report -- I don't figure I have anything particular interesting to say in that regard. But I will give a few thoughts that we garnered during this trip. Most of this confirms what we have believed in the past, but because my younger son has now passed 40", we had more time to do stuff as there was far less wasted baby swap time. Therefore, we noticed more and different things and really had time think about some things.

We stayed off-site, because I cannot fathom paying Disneyland resort prices, despite having the money to do. Our little guy uses a stroller to tour the parks, as walking would take forever and he'd eventually get tired. Little one still needs a nap on long days, but otherwise both kids have great stamina, and we ride everything we can.

With that as background, in no particular order, some random musings.

First, about the resort in general

1. Given a choice, I will always park in the structure. The buses from the Toy Story lot go through 3 traffic lights in less than a mile, meaning the trip can take seeming forever. The drop-off for the buses is further away from the entrance than the tram drop point, and getting to the lot is pain due to the traffic lights as well. Loading at the end of the night can take 15 minutes easily, as buses load way slower than trams. The structure is organized bliss compared to that, and the tram ride is non-stop, predictable, and fast.

2. The frequency with which requests and issues (only minor) were handled differently in different locations around the resort was surprising to me. From baby swaps, to fastpass problems (one of our tickets didn't register coming into the park one day), to which side of the ride the little kid should be on, to whether the two kids could ride together, etc., we kept getting different answers, sometimes at the same location. None of the answers were particular unreasonable, but the changes were odd. A couple times, I mentioned that others did it differently, and the CMs were surprised to hear that.

3. Disneyland food continues to be insanely expensive, moreso than WDW. The only tip I have is to ask at the counter-service places if they offer drink refills. Some do, and some don't. In general, it seemed that where the drinks are self-service (Redd Rocket's, Rancho Zocalo), one refill was allowed, while at other places, they looked at you quizzically like you had asked if they could magically make the crowds disappear. However, this was not consistent, and nobody could tell me the "rule".

4. While food in both parks in expensive, food at DCA is at least good. Counter-service food in Disneyland Park is truly disappointing, all the way around. Especially since I have some issues that prevent me from eating spicy stuff. Once you knock out Mexican and RZ, and Cajun in NOS, you're left some pretty disappointing stuff. Just grab a salad, get your kids some chicken nuggets, and make do.

5. As expected at Disneyland, most rides and attractions were in great shape. There were some notable surprises in that regard, which I'll touch on later. But the dark rides were a treat, as we always expect.

6. Big crowds were clearly expected this week (we went to DCA June 1, and Disneyland June 3 and 4) based on hours, but crowds were not large at all, and waits at most every attraction were manageable, with liberal use of fastpass, of course.

7. New at Disneyland Resort -- they now take your picture if you have a multi-day pass. The process of taking the pics upon first gate entry was quick, but not as quick as the finger-scan at WDW. Plus, this makes all entries now have three parts. First is bag check, then picture check (or picture taking), then scanning the tickets at the turnstile. They had lots of CMs to make things go relatively fast, but the added complexity seems silly, unless they were having really big problems with "sharing" of tickets.

8. 40" is a magical height at Disney. One of the things I love about Disney parks over others is the fact that kids don't have to miss all the thrills. My now 41" son could ride everything in both parks except California Screamin', Goofy Sky School, Matterhorn, and Indiana Jones. That meant he could join us on Tower, RSR, Space Mtn, Splash Mtn, Soarin', Big Thunder (except that it was closed, so nobody rode), Silly Symphony Swings, and Jumpin' Jellyfish, all for the first time. He loved them all, of course. In comparison, there are no thrill rides at my local Six Flags park that he can ride yet. Ridiculous.
 

MichWolv

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DCA Notes:

1. This trip, unlike my trip last November, Radiator Springs Racers seemed to run all day. This was a major improvement. By using single rider, fastpass, and taking advantage of small crowds, we rode three times before 1 pm, without waiting more than 15 minutes any time. It was great.

2. Sadly, RSR is already showing wear and tear on the effects. The tractors weren't tipping, Doc Hudson wasn't swinging back and forth to talk to the racers (instead, just looking straight ahead at nobody), the painting and tire visual effects both failed on one ride. This was true first thing in the morning as well. Hopefully, this isn't what we can expect long-term -- I'm not used to this stuff at Disneyland.

3. DCA with light crowds is blissful. Room to move, to linger, to people watch. Nobody crashing into your stroller or legs. With the upgraded attraction list, I find that park as enjoyable as Disneyland, even thought there is still less to do, because touring the park is so much easier.

4. Had dinner at Ariel's. While $22 for the kids there is insane, the food is quite good, and the front-row WOC passes that come with it were great. We showed up for WOC 6 minutes before it started, walked right up the railing, and had a great view. Still an amazing show, even if my son wished he hadn't gotten that wet.

5. Aladdin show finally had the carpet working again, after two years. Makes a huge different. Still love the show.

6. Toy Story Mania's queue continues to be the worst-designed thing in recent memory. It's like they specifically designed it to be hot and boring.

7. Flo's is the best setting for a counter-service restaurant setting in any Disney park.

8. We stayed from 9 am to 10pm (open to close) and my 10 year old did 25 attractions (3 RSR, 3 Goofy Sky School, 2 Soarin', ToT, 2 Screamin', TSMM, SSS, JJ, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, MJJ, 4 Bug's Land rides, WOC, Fun Wheel, Disney Junior, Carousel). We love fastpass, single riders, and low crowds.

9. The addition of Carsland with paths to Pacific Wharf and Bug's Land, and the opening of the path from Bug's Land to Tower of Terror has made this park very easy to get from one side of to the other, wherever you are. Traffic flow is greatly improved and it's not a problem to criss-cross the park.
 

Californian Elitist

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I feel you on the food, though I disagree about Disneyland's counter service. I love it (the tastes, not the prices). The prices are ridiculous, though, yes. Whenever my friend and I go, we always eat at McDonald's or In-N-Out. I just can't fathom spending $12+ for a burger and fries or for some chicken strips.
 

Californian Elitist

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RSR is always random. Sometimes everything isn't working and sometimes everything is. I was just there and everything worked. Indy is the same way, unfortunately.

When I was there recently, there were no reports of a break-down at all during the whole day. That's good.

Agreed about Mania, Aladdin and Flo's.

Your ten year-old is a trooper! I used to be able to last that long at Disney... Sadly, not anymore.:(
 

MichWolv

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Disneyland Notes:

1. As expected, everything looks good here, except for the things that look horrible. Main thing that looks horrible is Tomorrowland. The Peoplemover track is an eyesore from the ground all over the land, and even worse from above (outside Innoventions and a few other places where' you look down on it). The remains of the upper-level astro-orbitor are ugly, and the sub-subterranean astro-orbiter is just in the way.

2. The new Mickey and the Magical Map show is cute and fun, but not a highlight. There a couple of cool effects, and the standard array of singing and dancing tied together the normal loose "everything starts out a mess but turns out OK" plot. Go see it if it fits, but don't plan your day around it.

3. Celebrating the opening of Magical Map, they had a limited time magic quest where, after the show, they passed out maps with clues to places that compasses had been placed around the park. Find the seven compasses and get a prize at the information desk. It was low-tech, unobtrusive to those not doing it, and completely enthralling for my 10-year-old puzzle and map lover. This is precisely why I love all the interactive little quests being added at WDW. An array of these games, some low-tech and some interactive, will keep my family interested in walking all over the park, riding things they might not otherwise ride, and happy even when there are big crowds. Plus, this was a great limited time magic thing.

4. Storybookland Canal Boats is still one of my favorite attractions. And now my boys are getting to like it as well.

5. Splash Mountain at DL is, surprisingly, a mess. The boat at the end had half the characters motion-less and the other half moving like they had bad muscle control. Even the 3-year-old wondered what was wrong. Other effects were also not working, and audio was off in a half-dozen places. I was quite surprised. I mentioned the boat characters to a CM. He was not interested.

6. I love the Davy Crocket Explorer Canoes. My boys think I'm an idiot for that.

7. Watched Fantasmic from front and center, grabbing the spot only 25 minutes before the show. Amazing luck, that. Just enough time for me to run and grab Dole Whips before the show started. By far the best F! version anywhere.

8. Magical is a disappointing fireworks show, compared to Wishes. Still a good show, but Wishes is significantly better, IMHO. Flying Tink and Dumbo are nice, though.

9. There were mechanical breakdowns frequently at DL. Space and Matterhorn were down parts of both days, and down repeatedly those days. Dumbo was down the whole day yesterday unexpectedly.

10. Disneyland continues to not be able to handle crowds well. While we had only middling crowds based on attraction wait times, the pathways were still crowded and unpassable in certain areas. This park just needs more room to roam. Take Astro-orbiter off the ground, move the Mad Tea Party to another location, kill the treehouse entry that blocks the Adventureland to New Orleans Square path -- there are things that can and should be done to relieve a few key chokepoints.

11. The new Princess meeting area looked nice, but I have boys, so we didn't explore.

12. With only four attractions needing (or having) FP (IJ, Space, Splash, and Star Tours -- BTM down for refurb), there was no reason to wait in a long line for anything, as long as you could knock out FLand dark rides early. Which we did. Longest wait was 20 minutes. Between the two days at DLand (one 8:30 to 11, and the other 11:30 to 11), we hit about 53 attractions (6 SM, 4 ST, 2IJ, 2 IASW, 3 Matterhorn, 2 Fireworks, F!, Treehouse, JC, Tiki, Carousel, MTP, Alice, Storybookland, Toad, Snow White, Castle walkthrough, Nemo subs, Monorail, 3 Buzz, Gadget, Mickey Magic Map, Dumbo, Pinocchio, Innoventions, PotC, HM, Pooh, Splash, Canoes, Soundsational, Limited time Quest, Train, Goofy Playhouse, and a few others). That was great.

13. The Iron Man stuff at innoventions is not anything great. The only really cool thing (Suit up) allows two people to do it at a time, meaning that a 30 person line was estimated to be 90 minutes long. That's nuts. They should have done better in planning this. That said, cool to see Marvel in the park.

14. Last trip we had IASW and HM holiday editions. This trip regular. I love HM Holiday. It's a whole new attraction -- well done. I dislike IASW holiday. It adds nothing to the ride, and replaces a song I like with one that I don't. On the other hand, having experienced it on 3 trips, I can now say that I really do like the Disney characters mixed into IASW. In all but a couple of cases, they blend in well, and looking for them does not take away from the enjoyment of the attraction.

That's all for now, but more to come as things cross my mind again.
 

MichWolv

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I feel you on the food, though I disagree about Disneyland's counter service. I love it (the tastes, not the prices). The prices are ridiculous, though, yes. Whenever my friend and I go, we always eat at McDonald's or In-N-Out. I just can't fathom spending $12+ for a burger and fries or for some chicken strips.


The burgers are fine, but they are just burgers. The prices I can set aside (mentally) for a couple days, but the inability to actually get anything that I WANTED to eat was depressing. Not so at DCA. I really enjoy the counter service there at Flo's, Pacific Wharf, and the Boardwalk area.
 

Californian Elitist

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The burgers are fine, but they are just burgers. The prices I can set aside (mentally) for a couple days, but the inability to actually get anything that I WANTED to eat was depressing. Not so at DCA. I really enjoy the counter service there at Flo's, Pacific Wharf, and the Boardwalk area.


I actually don't really care for the burgers at Disneyland. They're alright, I guess. Now that I'm thinking about it, the burgers at Hungry Bear are really good. I can eat those but the others, I can pass on.

I agree about DCA's food. I enjoy all the ones you've mentioned and others. Flo's is spectacular, for the ambiance alone.
 

Laura

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1. Given a choice, I will always park in the structure. The buses from the Toy Story lot go through 3 traffic lights in less than a mile, meaning the trip can take seeming forever. The drop-off for the buses is further away from the entrance than the tram drop point, and getting to the lot is pain due to the traffic lights as well. Loading at the end of the night can take 15 minutes easily, as buses load way slower than trams. The structure is organized bliss compared to that, and the tram ride is non-stop, predictable, and fast.

I have to completely disagree. I DESPISE the parking structure. It never fails that they park me in the farthest back corner of the garage, which is about 6 miles from the tram. So after the 3 hour hike to the tram, you then wait in a line for the tram, ride the tram, and then get dropped in Downtown Disney, which I feel is much further away from the park entrance. (Strangely, you say the opposite. Maybe it's mental.) And I feel like the lines at the end of the night for the tram are horrendous compared to the busses. It is certainly more claustrophobic.

In contrast, the bus parks right next to your car and drops you off close to the park entrances. Way easier than walking 6 miles across the garage. And there's never a wait to get on the bus at Toy Story, but there's almost always a wait to get on the tram at the garage. The actual bus ride is kind of long, but I still prefer that over walking across the garage. At night the line does get long at certain times, but we've learned to avoid those times. I think the longest we've ever waited for the bus during the busiest possible time is 10 minutes.

I don't think we've used the garage in years because we prefer Toy Story so much.
 

Laura

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As far as the food, you can't lose with Pacific Wharf Cafe. I am addicted to their turkey sandwiches. I usually get a turkey sandwich at Pacific Wharf and haul it over to Flo's where James gets his food and we eat out on the porch there by RSR. Then some Ghiradelli for dessert later on.

La Brea Bakery and Carnation Cafe are the backup choices. With the AP discount, they don't come out much more expensive than counter service.

My other fav is the cheesy pasta stuff outside Space Mt. Chicken Fucilli or whatever it's called.
 

MichWolv

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I have to completely disagree. I DESPISE the parking structure. It never fails that they park me in the farthest back corner of the garage, which is about 6 miles from the tram. So after the 3 hour hike to the tram, you then wait in a line for the tram, ride the tram, and then get dropped in Downtown Disney, which I feel is much further away from the park entrance. (Strangely, you say the opposite. Maybe it's mental.) And I feel like the lines at the end of the night for the tram are horrendous compared to the busses. It is certainly more claustrophobic.

In contrast, the bus parks right next to your car and drops you off close to the park entrances. Way easier than walking 6 miles across the garage. And there's never a wait to get on the bus at Toy Story, but there's almost always a wait to get on the tram at the garage. The actual bus ride is kind of long, but I still prefer that over walking across the garage. At night the line does get long at certain times, but we've learned to avoid those times. I think the longest we've ever waited for the bus during the busiest possible time is 10 minutes.

I don't think we've used the garage in years because we prefer Toy Story so much.


Twice in the garage, we weren't more than 300 feet from the escalator either time! Perhaps that's the difference.
 

MichWolv

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As far as the food, you can't lose with Pacific Wharf Cafe. I am addicted to their turkey sandwiches. I usually get a turkey sandwich at Pacific Wharf and haul it over to Flo's where James gets his food and we eat out on the porch there by RSR. Then some Ghiradelli for dessert later on.

La Brea Bakery and Carnation Cafe are the backup choices. With the AP discount, they don't come out much more expensive than counter service.

My other fav is the cheesy pasta stuff outside Space Mt. Chicken Fucilli or whatever it's called.


That stuff was OK, but again, nothing that I actually enjoyed eating. It got me through the day, which is fine, and we got a quiet table, which was nice.
 

Laura

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That stuff was OK, but again, nothing that I actually enjoyed eating. It got me through the day, which is fine, and we got a quiet table, which was nice.

I can't imagine you enjoy eating anything anymore. Did you have sourdough? That sounds very painful.
 

MichWolv

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I can't imagine you enjoy eating anything anymore. Did you have sourdough? That sounds very painful.


I actually had a soup in a sourdough bread bowl at Disneyland when I couldn't find anything else appetizing. It was non-painful, but also not very tasty.
 

MichWolv

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I love Magical and I think it's slightly better than Wishes. Eden Espinosa's voice is great and I love the finale.


Her voice is good. But I found the fireworks uninspiring. Plus, having somebody who is not Julie Andrews say that she is "Mary Poppins" is a travesty. Finale is excellent. But the finale's of Wishes and RDCT are also excellent. In the other two shows, the excellent finale follows a superlative show. In Magical, the excellent finale follows a fairly "meh" show.
 

Californian Elitist

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Her voice is good. But I found the fireworks uninspiring. Plus, having somebody who is not Julie Andrews say that she is "Mary Poppins" is a travesty. Finale is excellent. But the finale's of Wishes and RDCT are also excellent. In the other two shows, the excellent finale follows a superlative show. In Magical, the excellent finale follows a fairly "meh" show.

Okay, well when compared to Remember, there's no competition. Magical is highly inferior.
 

Californian Elitist

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Now, isn't it true that you haven't actually been to WDW yet? Seeing a fireworks she on YouTube doesn't count, so I'm anxious for you to see Wishes some day :)

That's very true indeed! I've learned so much from this site and I'm going to be so much more prepared for my Florida trip when I go (I'm planning on going in 3-4 years, when the Mine Train will be open and hopefully something else new). I've seen Wishes on YouTube and I love it, but I know it will be even better in person. I absolutely cannot wait, I'm so excited for my first trip. I'm anxious to see and try new things.
 

englanddg

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That's very true indeed! I've learned so much from this site and I'm going to be so much more prepared for my Florida trip when I go (I'm planning on going in 3-4 years, when the Mine Train will be open and hopefully something else new). I've seen Wishes on YouTube and I love it, but I know it will be even better in person. I absolutely cannot wait, I'm so excited for my first trip. I'm anxious to see and try new things.

Be careful, or you may be converted!
 

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