Radically transforming MK Gate Concept

tman2000

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Reading about transportation problems got me thinking about MK's unique, awesome, but frustrating situation.

Another thing I've been thinking about are possible 5th gates. I had a radical idea: make "Walt Disney's Adventureland Park". A 5th gate that is just a ginormous expansion of adventureland with many of the same themes and even ride names, but so much more. It would be geared to an older audience with more thrills and scares.

Weird idea right? But somehow it just makes sense. The existing adventureland would be converted into an expansion of Frontierland. But the idea is still weird, but I thought of an awesome way to do it!!

This is the new model for the Magic Kingdom: PUT THE GATE AT THE TTC. All of 7 seas lagoon, and all the resort hotels down to and including Fort Wilderness will be gated areas!

For the guests not staying in those hotels here's the idea: you park, you go through a turnstyle, and you're in! Hop on the monorail, hop off, and just walk into Main Street town square.

But the idea is so much bigger!

*Imagine a gallery of shops and activities stretching from the Grand Floridian to the now open plaza and main street.

*Imagine freely entering Frontierland or Tomorrowland from this area

*Imagine a similar system for the Epcot resorts even

*Imagine not having to take the monorail or busses to any one point (beyond the TTC), but dispersing the crowd. A more robust direct line from Main Street to TTC would ease fireworks traffic.

And this brings me to the coolest point.

Imagine a park-sized gate worthy adventureland

How would this work? Well, the same way you put hotels "inside" park without forcing guests to pay for admittance.

**Using fastpass-like technology, you reintroduce a form of the old E-ticket system. Instead of paying tickets for classes of ride, you pay for the park-within the park.

At first this would be just the Magic Kingdom or 'Adventureland', for perspective. Your pass/hotel key/whatever gets you into the rides that you pay for. So if you just pay for Magic Kingdom, you can still visit and check out Adventureland, but can't ride the rides there. Inevitably, the day would come where you want to come back and buy that pass too!! Plus, you get twice the potential guests for food and souvenirs.

If you happen to stay in the hotel, but don't buy a pass, you just waltz around and don't ride any rides. Of course, you have to at least be staying in the hotel to do this (no local hooligans).

This type of model would really work towards the creation of a 'world' feeling. It would allow Disney to pack more people into a denser area, while making this area still seem large and roomy. It gives people the feeling of getting more for their money, yet at the end of the day disney probably could get more.

Imagine this concept applied to Epcot/Hollywood. Imagine what mini-parks could be added to existing parks. Imagine someday WDW being one gate only.
 

Jakester

Well-Known Member
IMO, The Magic Kingdom gate located in TTC wouldnt be so happly ever after.

I also noticed that you didnt explain how the current transportation issue would be solved
 

goofy donald

New Member
I also wouldn't want to find out after going all the way down to Florida I have to pay more money on top of my park passes. that would make a lot of people angry, they want everything to be included for less hassle.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
First of all, this is a great thread to discuss the problems of the MK transportation system because it does need addressing. I think I will use this thread to start to detail my ideas because fixing this situation would necessitate other changes eventually impacting the entire resort. Be back later with ideas to fix the TTC.
 

jt04

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Usually I go into a long description but I think I will keep it as short as possible here and then if anyone has questions I will answer them

My idea is to add a series of parking garages similar to Universal starting in the most extreme northeast corner of the MK parking lot as possible and built on a north-south axis utilizing the eastern portion of the current parking lot. If necessary, even closing the road there and using it for traffic into or out of the garages.

Then I would build four parralell rails from near the MK bus terminal to the new garages. A new bridge would be necessary but there is plenty of land since this area can never be built on. But it would have no problem supporting light rail. The trains would work similar to the people movers at Orlando Airport. Strictly out and back light rail with each train having capacity similar to a single monorail. Two of the tracks would travel down the center of the garages while the other two tracks are placed on the outside of the garages. One on the east and on the west side. Maintenance facilities could be located to the south of the complex. All trains would be available at each garage but this configuration allows for maximum flexibility and redundancy.

Quick points...

This would allow the current MK parking booths to be closed and that bottleneck eliminated.

Overflow parking is readily available with portions of the current parking lot available. Trams could serve the overflow during peak times by delivering guests efficiently to the nearest train stop at the garages or they can just walk there if close enough.

The TTC would become obsolete and the land could be repurposed as new resort area or allow the Poly to expand. Cha-ching.

The ferry system from the TTC and back would be obsolete and again that area would be made available for resort adds.

There are many other advantages and this would only be a first step in revolutionizing the WDW transprtation system. I have figured out the financing too so that it would not be difficult to accomplish.

I welcome any critiques or critical questions from those who dare. :lol:

Remember, there is much more to this in the long term.
 

Jakester

Well-Known Member
The reason Universal and Disneyland have parking garages is because they lack land for a parking lot. Disneyworld has the blessing of size so a parking garage isnt nessecary. If Universal and Disneyland has enough land, they wouldnt be seeing parking garages.

Just thought id add this
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
The reason Universal and Disneyland have parking garages is because they lack land for a parking lot. Disneyworld has the blessing of size so a parking garage isnt nessecary. If Universal and Disneyland has enough land, they wouldnt be seeing parking garages.

Just thought id add this

I agree with this at DAK or EPCOT (for now) but the MK parking experience :rolleyes: and the fact that expanding the MK resorts is a no-brainer as a means to increase revenues, argues against your point.

Plus, as I mentioned, this is just a small piece of a much bigger puzzle.

The point of this exercise is to fix the issues associated with parking at the MK. If you have a viable plan that does not use garages I am sure we would all love to hear it. As you can see from my avatar, I am all ears.
 

tman2000

Member
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Reconsider the TTC gate idea.

What you do is make MK into an open park. You add more destinations (boardwalk, adventureland expansion, maybe even more ideas). By doing this, and only having one gate at TTC, you have fewer choke points. Now you don't need to have ten ferries, 40 busses, and everything else right before Main Street train station. That area will be devoted exclusively to shuttling people to TTC.

As for making this scheme affordable for Disney, but also open more experiences up for consumers, you create a ticket scheme.

Magic Kingdom will remain Magic Kingdom. The expansion will be listed as a seperate park. You pay for each seperately, as if you would pay for an Epcot or MK ticket, or extra for a hopper.

The new element of this idea is that you can visit a park you didn't pay for but simply cannot ride the rides. This is the 'open park' concept. If you came to Florida to visit MK, maybe you'll be disappointed you didn't pay for the other park, but you still get all of MK, and will maybe have fun previewing and visiting the the other park.

Again, you get into the 'open park' by buying a ticket to any one of the parks, or staying at the resorts. The specific park ticket lets you on rides.

Imagine converting the Boardwalk area into a 'DisneySea' resort that straddles the space between Hollywood and Epcot. You could have an 'open park' there. You can visit any of the three spaces for just the price of one, but you'll only ride the rides at the one. So you can visit the Garden Grill, but no Soarin'. Or, you could throw down $10 for one ride on Soarin' if you change your mind.

The idea is to dramatically expand the size of the parks, adding to the depth of your experience, allowing for a larger number of guests, but having a pricing model that lets it work for everyone.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
Reconsider the TTC gate idea.

What you do is make MK into an open park. You add more destinations (boardwalk, adventureland expansion, maybe even more ideas). By doing this, and only having one gate at TTC, you have fewer choke points. Now you don't need to have ten ferries, 40 busses, and everything else right before Main Street train station. That area will be devoted exclusively to shuttling people to TTC.

As for making this scheme affordable for Disney, but also open more experiences up for consumers, you create a ticket scheme.

Magic Kingdom will remain Magic Kingdom. The expansion will be listed as a seperate park. You pay for each seperately, as if you would pay for an Epcot or MK ticket, or extra for a hopper.

The new element of this idea is that you can visit a park you didn't pay for but simply cannot ride the rides. This is the 'open park' concept. If you came to Florida to visit MK, maybe you'll be disappointed you didn't pay for the other park, but you still get all of MK, and will maybe have fun previewing and visiting the the other park.

Again, you get into the 'open park' by buying a ticket to any one of the parks, or staying at the resorts. The specific park ticket lets you on rides.

Imagine converting the Boardwalk area into a 'DisneySea' resort that straddles the space between Hollywood and Epcot. You could have an 'open park' there. You can visit any of the three spaces for just the price of one, but you'll only ride the rides at the one. So you can visit the Garden Grill, but no Soarin'. Or, you could throw down $10 for one ride on Soarin' if you change your mind.

The idea is to dramatically expand the size of the parks, adding to the depth of your experience, allowing for a larger number of guests, but having a pricing model that lets it work for everyone.

I like your creative thinking. And turning the MK resort area into an attraction or series of attractions is interesting. But I just wonder if all those 'tourists" meandering around the resorts would cause problems for guests booked at the resorts. Some of the charm of the resorts is being able to escape the crowds for a bit of peace and quiet after a long day at the theme parks.
 

wedenterprises

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I would build another people mover track from TL to the contemporary resort. It would take up some of the Indy speedway (and the Indy Speedway would go bye bye). It wouldn't solve all problems, but could take a chunk out of some of the boat and monorail traffic.

I would also consider doing something similar from GF to Adventureland. Possibly via train or boat.

Then I would add another ferry to TTC.
 

tman2000

Member
Original Poster
I love that peoplemover idea! Where the peoplemover serves the function of DL monorail.

And the Polynesian boat could enter the park via a jungle cruise themed dock in adventureland.

Nevertheless, by making MK a super park and splitting it into a one-gate 2-3 ticket park, you justify a huge amount of expansion.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
I would build another people mover track from TL to the contemporary resort. It would take up some of the Indy speedway (and the Indy Speedway would go bye bye). It wouldn't solve all problems, but could take a chunk out of some of the boat and monorail traffic.

I would also consider doing something similar from GF to Adventureland. Possibly via train or boat.

Then I would add another ferry to TTC.

Many people mention this scenario but I do not see what goal it accomplishes. There is plenty of capacity on the resort monorail lines so there is not an issue there. Is it just to have a people mover in TL? Seems like a solution in search of a problem and unecessary operational costs being added with no great advantage. Perhaps I am not seeing the bigger picture. :shrug:
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
I love that peoplemover idea! Where the peoplemover serves the function of DL monorail.

And the Polynesian boat could enter the park via a jungle cruise themed dock in adventureland.

Nevertheless, by making MK a super park and splitting it into a one-gate 2-3 ticket park, you justify a huge amount of expansion.

I like the idea of the Poly ferry being able to enter the Mk through Adventureland. However there are massive backstage support facilities, support vehicle traffic, etc. that can't be relocated and would be extremely expensive to theme. Heck, they can't even hide most of it from the WDWRR. Any solutions?
 

wedenterprises

Well-Known Member
Many people mention this scenario but I do not see what goal it accomplishes. There is plenty of capacity on the resort monorail lines so there is not an issue there. Is it just to have a people mover in TL? Seems like a solution in search of a problem and unecessary operational costs being added with no great advantage. Perhaps I am not seeing the bigger picture. :shrug:


The bigger picture is that it would be awesome. Having boats run from CR, poly and GF doesn't solve anything either, they are just awesome.

Maybe it removes the need for the WL boat to stop at CR, but my idea was for pure fun not much more. If it helps with monorail traffic then great.

A people mover from TL could take people to the TTC instead.
 

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