Prominent Mention of Disney in Column on Pedophilia

fillerup

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
From the LA Times, 8/25/06, in an opinion column by Rosa Brooks, WDC received prominent mention.

I realize this is a delicate topic, but it's also an important one.

No idea if this mother/writer has an axe to grind with WDC but I'm posting it to see if anyone has opinions as to whether the column is fair or not. Do you think this writer is on to anything here?

Not having young children I don't have to deal with this issue. I'd be curious to hear from parents who might be fighting this particular battle.

There's a link to the original at the bottom, but here's the text in full:



No Escaping Sexualization of Young Girls

IT'S BEEN a good week for the media, and a bad week for parents.

The arrest of former schoolteacher John Mark Karr in the slaying of child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey launched a flurry of excited stories about pedophiles, child abduction and murder. The cable news stations could hardly hide their glee, and even the New York Times joined in.

In a two-part series on pedophilia, the newspaper reported that many pedophiles now use Internet support groups to swap how-to tips on getting jobs as camp counselors and teachers. Increasingly, the Times said, "pedophiles view themselves as the vanguard of a nascent movement seeking legalization of child ography and the loosening of age-of-consent laws. They portray themselves as battling for children's rights to engage in "relations" with adults…."

Great. For anxious parents, it was a week of being paranoid and creeped out — a week to double-check the window locks, run a background check on the preschool music teacher and remind the kids not to enter beauty pageants, talk to strangers, go online or leave the house until their 40th birthday.

True, the statistics suggest that an American child is about as likely to share JonBenet's fate as she is to be killed by lightning. The abduction and murder of children by people outside their families is exceedingly rare.

But as the mother of preschool girls, I know how easy it is to succumb to irrational panic in the face of this week's 24/7 media obsession with pedophilia.

All summer I'd absent-mindedly allowed my little barbarians to streak through the house naked, bodies festooned with grape jelly and Crayola Washable Markers. Now, with pedophiles apparently lurking everywhere, demanding civil rights and social acceptance, I was suddenly insisting that the girls put their clothes back on, right this minute, please.

I eyed my neighbors with newfound suspicion. That guy mowing the lawn down the street — why was he smiling at us?

It was only when I hauled the girls off to the local shopping mall that my paranoid fears were replaced by all-too-rational anxieties. First, we darted into Abercrombie & Fitch, joining a gaggle of preteens checking out the T-shirts. Perhaps a slinky pink number that coyly declared "The Rumors Are True"? Or maybe the masculine gray one emblazoned with "Something About You Attracts Me — I Wish I Could Put My Finger On It"?

Well, no thanks. We headed toward Limited Too, where we found thong-like underwear sized for 7-year-old girls. My 4-year-old was entranced: "Mommy, those underpants have no walls!"

We soldiered on, through Old Navy (where the toddler section carries clothes that make 2-year-olds look like Britney Spears), through Toys R Us (where ads for the scantily clad Bratz Babyz dolls, with their bottles and their painted toenails, boast that these "Babyz already know how to flaunt it, and they're keepin' it real in the crib!"), and past the Disney Store (where little girls can covet seashell bikinis like those worn by the Little Mermaid and glittery halter tops like those worn by Princess Jasmine in the surprisingly broad-minded sultanate of Agrabah).

By the time we made it to CVS Pharmacy, I thought we were out of the woods. Wrong. Those bare-midriffed Disney princesses are everywhere — even, it turns out, on diapers sized for people weighing 18 to 34 pounds.

In our hyper-commercialized consumerist society, there's virtually no escaping the relentless sexualization of younger and younger children. My 26-month-old daughter didn't emerge from the womb clamoring for a seashell bikini like Princess Ariel's — but now that she's savvy enough to notice who's prancing around on her pull-ups, she wants in on the bikini thing. And my 4-year-old wasn't born demanding lip gloss and nail polish, but when a little girl at nursery school showed up with her Hello Kitty makeup kit, she was hooked.

In a culture in which the sexualization of childhood is big business — mainstream mega-corporations such as Disney earn billions by marketing sexy products to children too young to understand their significance — is it any wonder that pedophiles feel emboldened to claim that they shouldn't be ostracized for wanting "relations" with children? On an Internet bulletin board, one self-avowed "girl lover" offered a critique of this week's New York Times series on pedophilia: "They fail, of course, to mention the hypocrisy of Hollywood selling little girls to millions of people in a highly sexualized way." I hate to say it, but the pedophiles have a point here.

There are plenty of good reasons to worry about children and sx. But if we want to get to the heart of the problem, we should obsess a little less about whether the neighbor down the block is a dangerous pedophile — and we should worry a whole lot more about good old-fashioned American capitalism, which is busy serving our children up to pedophiles on a corporate platter.

http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-oe-brooks25aug25,1,6173265.column?coll=la-news-columns
 

Woody13

New Member
Frankly, pedophiles are ubiquitous. They teach in schools, they volunteer as scoutmasters, they coach little league and they work for Disney. I wouldn’t have left my child alone with Mr. Rodgers for 10 seconds. There is no reason why any child should ever be left alone with an adult other than their parent(s). Some parents are questionable too.

It is not a good idea to leave a child alone in the company of an adult relative (aunt, uncle, etc.) either. Better to be safe than sorry. :wave:
 

typhoonguy

New Member
Frankly, pedophiles are ubiquitous. They teach in schools, they volunteer as scoutmasters, they coach little league and they work for Disney. I wouldn’t have left my child alone with Mr. Rodgers for 10 seconds. There is no reason why any child should ever be left alone with an adult other than their parent(s). Some parents are questionable too.

It is not a good idea to leave a child alone in the company of an adult relative (aunt, uncle, etc.) either. Better to be safe than sorry. :wave:
This is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. LIVE YOUR FREAKIN LIFE. Don't leave a child alone with your own brother or sister? Don't leave them with a professional sitting service? Hell, why even let them attend school? Lets go ahead and keep them at home 24/7. Maybe we can implant them all with tracking chips and loss-prevention helmets! Quick, someone call the Pentagon!!!

Better to be safe than sorry. :wave:
I hate that quote. Lets see, so better safe than sorry, lets go ahead and start crossing things off the 'to do' list. Don't ride Disney attractions, operators can fall asleep and someone could get hurt. Don't swim, you can drown. Don't drive a vehicle, you can be in an accident. Don't go outside of your home, you can be chased down by a swarm of bees. Phew, glad we're keeping ourselves 'safe'. But wait... what If I can't trust my wife? What if SHE kidnaps our child. Oh-no! What if I cant trust... ME?!? The only thing to do is to send our kids into the wild, where they are far away from us, or anyone else that can harm them. "Go son, don't tell us where you're headed off to. It's for the best."
 

Woody13

New Member
A parent is charged with the responsibility to care for and protect their children from harm. The level of protection is different for each child and it changes with time. Far too many parents shirk their obligation to protect their children and foist those responsibilities off onto relatives, neighbors, school officials and sitters. Many parents are too busy with their careers and “living their lives” to properly care for their children. :wave:
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
A parent is charged with the responsibility to care for and protect their children from harm. The level of protection is different for each child and it changes with time. Far too many parents shirk their obligation to protect their children and foist those responsibilities off onto relatives, neighbors, school officials and sitters. Many parents are too busy with their careers and “living their lives” to properly care for their children. :wave:

Parenting is an individual thing that reflects back upon your own upbringing.

While I'm not defending anybody, I think that as a blanket statement that's a little harsh.

However, we've ALL seen unruly children at WDW and wondered why the parents allow such behavoir.
 

maggiegrace1

Well-Known Member
A parent is charged with the responsibility to care for and protect their children from harm. The level of protection is different for each child and it changes with time. Far too many parents shirk their obligation to protect their children and foist those responsibilities off onto relatives, neighbors, school officials and sitters. Many parents are too busy with their careers and “living their lives” to properly care for their children. :wave:
But sometimes people are not able to stay at home with their children.
Someone needs to make the money to support and raise these children and some people need two incomes.
These people are not shirking their responsibilities..they are doing what they have to do to take care of these children..and that is them "living their lives.
 

Woody13

New Member
Parenting is an individual thing that reflects back upon your own upbringing.

Parenting is a legal responsibility. A parent by law is charged with certain parental responsibilities and rights. If the parent fails to exercise them properly, they may be taken away by the state. :wave:

But sometimes people are not able to stay at home with their children.
Someone needs to make the money to support and raise these children and some people need two incomes.
These people are not shirking their responsibilities..they are doing what they have to do to take care of these children..and that is them "living their lives.
It increases the risk that your child may come to some harm, unless you believe the sitter to be an equal or better parent than you. :wave:
 

typhoonguy

New Member
Parenting is a legal responsibility. A parent by law is charged with certain parental responsibilities and rights. If the parent fails to exercise them properly, they may be taken away by the state. :wave:


It increases the risk that your child may come to some harm, unless you believe the sitter to be an equal or better parent than you. :wave:
Now we could have a nice long discussion about the difference between a marginal increase in risk, such as what we all would expect from a babysitter, or a severe increase in risk, such as letting Charlie Manson sit for your child. I'm sure Woody thoroughly enjoyed the article and whole-hartedly agreed, as it seems that having a baby-sitter for your child some how equals being a bad parent. I sincerely hope that no one spends every waking moment of every day with their child. If we all did that, they would never grow up. It's important for them to be with others and on their own to learn about life's lessons.

Thanks for your oppinion, though, but to me I believe it's just as extreme as the author of the above article.
 

Woody13

New Member
I never suggested that a parent should stay with their child 24/7. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement maintains a list of sexual offenders and predators. It is rather disconcerting to learn that a number of former elementary school teachers, Boy Scout leaders, priests, day care workers, Sunday school teachers, babysitters and others in a position of trust with children are on that list. It is certain that other sexual predators have yet to be caught and may seek employment or perform volunteer work that will bring them in contact with children.

It makes the job of a parent that much more difficult. Parents should be vigilant and use every tool at their disposal to protect their children from such harm. Parents need to be proactive rather than reactive in dealing with the problem IMO. :wave:
 

The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
let me paraphrase an old saying:

Everyone's a pedophile except thee and me, and I'm not too sure about thee.

I do the best that I can to keep him safe, but also try to equip him with the skills to survive in the world.

The Daughter is out and on her own, so I was apparently able to blend the two with her.
 

SteveUK

Member
I can see the argument here and it's getting a bit heated, and it's not a new debate - over-reacting vs mimising the problem.

I come into contact with child sexual abusers through my work very regularly. Maybe this makes me biased and over-cautious. But seeing the after-effects and consequences caused by such people, I think everybody should be pro-active in protecting their children. Of course I understand that you have to be sensible about the threat and you can't keep children locked away from the big wide world, but seeing the horrific mess caused by such crimes makes me wish that sometimes people were just a bit more careful and vigilant at times.
 

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