Rumor Potential New Magic Kingdom Area Hotel

lentesta

Premium Member
Oh, but MisterPenguin has assured us that they are being built at the same time.

It's possible. I don't know.

Different folks on this forum have blueprints for every project that has them. I've not heard anything about Villains Land being available. That makes me think it's not at a point where they even know what they want to build. But I could be wrong.
 

lentesta

Premium Member
But you also don’t need “blueprints” for a lot of things to start building.

For projects of this size I'm betting they do. For one thing, the SFWMD permitting process involves calculations of things like rain runoff from roofed buildings.

Blueprints are also used to get bids prior to going to the board for budget approval. I think for something the size of Villains, the board has to approve twice (once for the internal budget estimate, and once again when bids are in).

I was told earlier this year when asking around about a 5th park that the board gets involved with anything over $1B. (And the board had not heard anything about a 5th gate at that point.)
 

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
For projects of this size I'm betting they do. For one thing, the SFWMD permitting process involves calculations of things like rain runoff from roofed buildings.

Blueprints are also used to get bids prior to going to the board for budget approval. I think for something the size of Villains, the board has to approve twice (once for the internal budget estimate, and once again when bids are in).

I was told earlier this year when asking around about a 5th park that the board gets involved with anything over $1B. (And the board had not heard anything about a 5th gate at that point.)
Assuming Villains and Cars are separate budgets... I'm assuming you are insinuating that Villains is going to be more than $1B?
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
For projects of this size I'm betting they do. For one thing, the SFWMD permitting process involves calculations of things like rain runoff from roofed buildings.

Blueprints are also used to get bids prior to going to the board for budget approval. I think for something the size of Villains, the board has to approve twice (once for the internal budget estimate, and once again when bids are in).

I was told earlier this year when asking around about a 5th park that the board gets involved with anything over $1B. (And the board had not heard anything about a 5th gate at that point.)
Epic Universe had work started before it had blueprints ready. You can start building a site to host buildings without knowing what those buildings are or will contain. Most new build attractions start construction before design work is complete.

The water management permit has already been issued. Most projects use more specific calculations because those numbers are readily available as part of the design process, even early in the process. It’s also not that difficult to get modifications (see Ratatouille and the addition of the crêperie) But you can also apply for permission based on general areas because the calculations are really about impervious areas and a roof is not functionally different than a walkway.

Large projects like attractions and lands do not use the design-bid-build project delivery method. Disney instead utilizes IDP (integrated project delivery) with aspects of fast-track project delivery. IDP involves hiring the general contractor during the design phase to assist with coordination, estimating and provide input on the constructibility of the design. The online posting for contractors even listed the project as being “design-build”. Contractually, design-building usually refers to hiring one legal entity that is legally permitted to handle design and construction, but it’s a similar enough idea to IDP of hiring your design team and construction team together and having them work together. Fast-track is the overlapping of construction with design, starting construction before design work is complete. Disney is also a bully when it comes to purchasing and pricing, and they will often buy a lot of the base construction materials that are typically purchased by the contractor.

Estimates are put together multiple times throughout the design process starting as early as Blue Sky. At a minimum, reviews would occur after every phase of design, but can also occur at different points. The major “Go - No Go” decision occurs after Concept Design and is the Feasibility phase. This point is also a major contractual point as design vendors are hired through concept but then separate contracts are proffered for the rest of the project (schematic design through construction). I can’t speak to subsequent reviews/decision making by the board for high cost projects, but they definitely feel like something that would be clouded by the sunk-cost fallacy as there would already be some work completed on site. They could though be involved in deciding if a project should receive additional funds or if the team needs to figure out how to keep things on budget (usually scope cuts).

All of the phases of design have drawings that would be called “blueprints” but they’re not yet part of the complete package of information required for construction. The construction drawings that are not even the only documentation provided, as there is also a massive project manual that outlines the work and performance requirements expected of the contractor.
 

Stupido

Well-Known Member
I just found this thread...are there any thoughts on what the theme of this possible hotel would be?
I'd imagine it would depend on what area of the park they build it near?

Most of the lands already have corresponding themed hotels: Main Street, Adventureland, Frontierland, and Tomorrowland.

A full on Fantasy themed hotel is something they're lacking out of their 22 hotels, and something I could see them getting away charging a premium pricing for. However, Fantasyland is pretty landlocked, and it would look pretty strange to have a big whimsical hotel peering in from Frontierland.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Oh, but MisterPenguin has assured us that they are being built at the same time.

Oops...


It's possible. I don't know.


@Ayla, you really think that in order to meet the 5 year D23 announcement that Disney will build and complete Piston Peak and then and only then, start the work on Villains Land?

What dimension to you come from that allows that to happen in just four years from now (we're already one year into the time frame)?

In case if anyone needs Disney to confirm that Villains Land is being worked on concurrently with Cars...

Imagineers are also hard at work beyond Big Thunder Mountain Railroad bringing to life the first-ever land inspired by the Disney Villains with two major attractions, dining and shopping all on an incredibly twisted grand scale.   ​

 

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
In what school of design is "shareholder returns" most associated?
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Ayla

Well-Known Member
It's possible. I don't know.

Different folks on this forum have blueprints for every project that has them. I've not heard anything about Villains Land being available. That makes me think it's not at a point where they even know what they want to build. But I could be wrong.
I don't think you're wrong.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
As @danlb_2000 mentioned, the Western Way re-routing doesn’t really make sense to turn around and shove the hotel up in Frontierland.

They’d want a boat dock, they’d want monorail access, they’d want further walking path access. They’d want seven seas and grand Flo views. Otherwise they are yielding cash rate premiums. A future Adventureland plot expansion could be designed with the hotel in mind. Its northward where the view becomes more distinctly back stage.

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I don’t think they are making this space to shove a parking lot against Grand Flo and Seven Seas lagoon.

The plot is also such and nature of this project is such that I’d be pretty shocked if it was a mono-DVC resort. Assuming it happens at all.
 

The Underminer

Active Member
It's possible. I don't know.

Different folks on this forum have blueprints for every project that has them. I've not heard anything about Villains Land being available. That makes me think it's not at a point where they even know what they want to build. But I could be wrong.
It’s pretty far along AFAIK. Obviously it’s so far away things can change.
 

Kamikaze

Well-Known Member
If there aren't plans for something in the orange circled area then I am not sure why they would be re-routing Floridian way.

Right???!?

That's the same reason why I suspect the Western Way work is going to lead to something. They're not spending $100MM to improve commute times for cast members.
They didn't build that walkway after 30-whatever years of Grand Flo existing without it just for funsies.
 

lentesta

Premium Member
It’s pretty far along AFAIK. Obviously it’s so far away things can change.

The construction for Villains Land is pretty far along?

Sorry for asking - my wife and I are going through a difficult time right now*. We're working throught it, but it's been affecting me. It's the hard part of relationships that rarely gets talked about.

*Whole Foods delivered two pounds of decaf coffee in this week's groceries.
 

Agent H

Well-Known Member
The construction for Villains Land is pretty far along?

Sorry for asking - my wife and I are going through a difficult time right now*. We're working throught it, but it's been affecting me. It's the hard part of relationships that rarely gets talked about.

*Whole Foods delivered two pounds of decaf coffee in this week's groceries.
I wish you luck in this difficult time.
 

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