POTC, rehab quality poll

I think the changes to POTC are

  • Great

    Votes: 64 53.8%
  • Good

    Votes: 38 31.9%
  • So-So (no effect on the ride quality)

    Votes: 8 6.7%
  • Not good

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • a travesty that ruined the ride

    Votes: 5 4.2%

  • Total voters
    119
  • Poll closed .
Don't think head mouse will be responding to this thread guys :hurl:

Still like everyone else he's entitled to his opinion, it's not his fault his estimates were so off :lol:
 

CThaddeus

New Member
I'm speaking from more of a Disneyland viewpoint here, but having been on Disneyland's un-pc, pc, and Deppized, as well as Disney World's un-pc, pc, and Deppized versions, I can honestly say I'm not a fan of the current movie overlay. In some ways, it doesn't bother me as much that it was done at Disney World, as I've always considered it a Reader's Digest version of the real thing in Anaheim, so any changes might be considered as improvements. I don't mind that they replaced the skull and crossbones with Davy Jones (WDW), only because I am so used to hearing X. Atencio do the voice for it at Disneyland. I don't know who did it for Disney World's version, but in my opinion he just didn't sound "piratey" or menacing enough. Fortunately, they did not eliminate the X. Atencio skull and crossbones at Disneyland. Next, I dislike that they took an iconic Pirates of the Caribbean figure - the pirate on the ship - and replaced him with Barbossa. In addition, they changed his speech so that the focus of the attraction is now ALL ABOUT JACK and the key. It's no longer just general looting and pillaging. While some may see that as an improvement, I don't. The story was fine as it was.
The Depp after the well dunking is fine, as it didn't cause anything else to be replaced. I've been on it about seven times and the conclusion I came to is that Disney stuck him there just for the, "Look it's Captain Jack!" effect that seems to erupt from all the people in the boat I've been with. From that point forward, though, it then seems to become a game to people to make as much noise as possible when they see another Jack. I guess my idea of fun is to silently enjoy things and let others do the same. I know, I live in a strange world.
The Depp in the barrel doesn't thrill me, either. One of my earliest memories of Wonderful World of Disney episodes involves a ride-though of the original, where the woman holding the candle featured in the scene prominently. So, I see her as iconic as well. Additionally, yet again they've changed the fat pirate's speech so now he's yammering on about Jack Sparrow's key and gold instead of the classic speech about the woman he's trying to find (or the obnoxious pc version about food).
The final Depp is the only one I truly like at Disney World. Why? Because the original scene just never worked for me. The dudes were tied up already, so the pirates were shooting at...who? Other boats coming in the room maybe? Not at each other (like at Disneyland). Now there's just Johnny Depp sitting in the gold room talking away. And that works for me. If they'd limited him to this location and maybe the other one after the dunking scene, and left out all the stuff about hunting for Jack and his key I might have been okay with it. At Disneyland the change in the final room isn't as natural. There are pirates on either side of you, shooting at each other and a precariously dangling barrel of explosives. Then, you come to what looks like an outhouse that has Johnny in it singing with the gold. It feels slapped in, and doesn't work at all for me.
Let me just say I'm not against plussing/upgrading/improving an attraction. Everything needs TLC from time to time. Replacing the AAs with state of the art ones (but maintaining the same character), painting, cleaning, general maintenance, and a better beginning and ending to the Magic Kingdom's Pirates are always welcome. Major changes that alter the storyline and remove classic characters entirely are not amongst my favorite things.
And that's my 95 cents' worth. Bash away.
 

hokielutz

Well-Known Member
See I was absolutely right in my statement from yesterday evening.... the negative opinion vote count doubled overnight. :eek: :eek:


And now we have seen a drop in approval down to 89.41176% I was right... 90+% approval was too good to last. :ROFLOL:
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
The final Depp is the only one I truly like at Disney World. Why? Because the original scene just never worked for me. The dudes were tied up already, so the pirates were shooting at...who? Other boats coming in the room maybe? Not at each other (like at Disneyland). Now there's just Johnny Depp sitting in the gold room talking away. And that works for me. If they'd limited him to this location and maybe the other one after the dunking scene, and left out all the stuff about hunting for Jack and his key I might have been okay with it. At Disneyland the change in the final room isn't as natural. There are pirates on either side of you, shooting at each other and a precariously dangling barrel of explosives. Then, you come to what looks like an outhouse that has Johnny in it singing with the gold. It feels slapped in, and doesn't work at all for me.
Let me just say I'm not against plussing/upgrading/improving an attraction. Everything needs TLC from time to time. Replacing the AAs with state of the art ones (but maintaining the same character), painting, cleaning, general maintenance, and a better beginning and ending to the Magic Kingdom's Pirates are always welcome. Major changes that alter the storyline and remove classic characters entirely are not amongst my favorite things.
And that's my 95 cents' worth. Bash away.

If they would have just limited Depp to those two scenes, people would complain (myself included) that his addition was shallow. That would be a thoughtless insertion just to acknowledge the success of the movie. If you're going to do something, do it right and with careful consideration. Don't just recklessly brand old attractions with new characters. They did it right, here.

I'm also sick of Disneyland snobs talking down about MK. Okay, great. Your MK is slightly better. How much better is your EPCOT Center than ours? Oh, that's right, you got DCA, instead.
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
Original Poster
ROFLMAO!!!:ROFLOL:

Didn't mean for it to go that far, just wanted him to see his mistake in posting false information. Oh well. :shrug:

Headmouse's booting wasn't due just to his/her behavior in these POTC threads. They apparently never learned how to play well with others.
 

head mouse

Member
So as of this time... the overall approval of the changes is up to 87.23% out of 47 votes.

So let's see. ONE board, ONE poll and THAT is what makes FACTS????


I have taken it upon myself to copy this exact poll to a few other Disney boards. then tally the results for a more accurate result.
 

head mouse

Member
You're right, he got booted from the forums. :wave:


I did?


Anyway I will say this. The special effects are great. the AA are WONDERFUL. if they had just taken the original AA's and updated them to the new AA's then it would be great. but to change the story line and add new characters. I don't like.

Why is it ok for everyone else to have their opinion but not me? Why is it ok for you to say you like it, but not ok for me to not like it?

No mater. I have the entire ride through on DVD and can watch it any time i feel nostalgic.
 

spoodles

Member
Interesting results. I haven't been on it personally, but given some recent threads I expected the poll results to be mixed at best. But not so -- clearly the yeas have it!
 

head mouse

Member
Hasn't head_mouse been booted a couple of times before? Or am I thinking of someone else..

I have never been booted. I was "warned" back in Oct I think for something, but never been totally baned from the board. I have done noting to deserve being banned. :shrug:

This is also not the place to discuss this.
 

CThaddeus

New Member
If they would have just limited Depp to those two scenes, people would complain (myself included) that his addition was shallow. That would be a thoughtless insertion just to acknowledge the success of the movie. If you're going to do something, do it right and with careful consideration. Don't just recklessly brand old attractions with new characters. They did it right, here.

I'm also sick of Disneyland snobs talking down about MK. Okay, great. Your MK is slightly better. How much better is your EPCOT Center than ours? Oh, that's right, you got DCA, instead.

Before calling someone a snob, you might want to know a little more about the person. Personally, I've been to Disney World 5 times. If I were such a Disneyland snob, why would I bother to go to Florida?
And I don't think Disneyland is perfect. I find a number of Disney World's versions of attractions better, but you have to admit Pirates at the MK is rather sad in comparison. It has a great queue, yes, but the attraction itself has way too much cut out.
Here's a short list of attractions I think are better at Disney World - Jungle Cruise, Splash Mountain, Thunder Mountain, Snow White, Star Tours, It's Tough to Be a Bug, and though I dislike both versions - Tower of Terror.
By the way, if you're going to compare Parks, you should probably put DCA up against Disney-MGM sizewise, and attractions-wise. I doubt we'll ever see the likes of something as huge and all-encompassing as Epcot again.
Back on topic, I still disagree with the placement of the Jack Sparrows. He could just as easily have been added to areas where nothing was previously going on and other classic characters didn't have to get the boot for him.
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
Sorry, bunching everyone who prefers Disneyland to WDW (or even just talks about the better versions of some rides at DLR) into the same 'snob' group is not fair. I didn't know all of that, and I do apologize for the hasty branding.

Maybe the branding will ultimately allow POTC to stay open. We've already had one round of PC changes over little things like pirates chasing women. Who is to say pirates themselves won't one day become 'too insensitive' and activists will call for the attraction to be closed... At least this way WDC will put its foot down, citing a hugely popular attraction is more important than being boycotted by a couple of groups. Probably isn't going to happen, but who knows...
 

hokielutz

Well-Known Member
Back on topic, I still disagree with the placement of the Jack Sparrows. He could just as easily have been added to areas where nothing was previously going on and other classic characters didn't have to get the boot for him.


I'll ask it here because it was not answered on a previous thread... who really remembers that much about the original pirate in the final scene treasure room? I know he was slow moving and his audio was barely discernable.

I believe that with Jack's character going in there it provides some closure to the end of the ride. Before the rehab, it was "look at the treasure and oooo... see the silly pirate talking jibberish."

I also believe that most of the memorable parts of the Pirate animatronics remained untouched, except either cleaned up or given a modern functional body.
The pirates chasing women, women chasing pirates...
the drunk pirate with the cats,
the mayor being dunked,
the pirates in the cells whistling to the dog with the keys,
pirate with the pig,
"We want the red-head" scene and
the seige on the fort

These were all extremely important and for the most part were only cleaned up or enhanced.
 

head mouse

Member
I'll ask it here because it was not answered on a previous thread... who really remembers that much about the original pirate in the final scene treasure room? I know he was slow moving and his audio was barely discernable.

I believe that with Jack's character going in there it provides some closure to the end of the ride. Before the rehab, it was "look at the treasure and oooo... see the silly pirate talking jibberish."

To me the final treasure room scene was a closure. All the pirates sitting around drinking grog in their treasure cave. I always looked at that one room (that now has Jack) as just an extension to the cave. :shrug: I like that they put someone in there (be it Jack or any other pirate) although any other pirate would have not changed the story line.



Ya know one thing that REALLY erks me is so they added now things, changed the story line. they didn't have to remove the jolly roger at the top of the water fall. It could still fit in just fine with the new story line. I mean come on, when Fans think PotC they think of the Parrot, and the Jolly Roger.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
I'll ask it here because it was not answered on a previous thread... who really remembers that much about the original pirate in the final scene treasure room? I know he was slow moving and his audio was barely discernable.

Oh, I *CERTAINLY* remember two of those guys, one straddling the other on the ground...I always wondered exactly what those two pirates was doing, and how the design ever got approved to begin with, LOL.

AEfx
 

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