Pixar Star Wars

Matt_Black

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Did George Lucas run over your dog in a car he borrowed from Marvel while Kermit the Frog rode shotgun? I'm just trying to think of where all this distaste and anger comes from....
 

Disneyfanman

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I began to worry about Pixar Storytelling a while back. They had a story artist, Joe Ranft, who was involved in many of their films and who seemed to be a key element in how the final films emerged. From my understanding at the time, he was was a key part of the creative process, although he was never given a ton of glory. He passed in 2005 and was one of those people who, although he was never in the spotlight, was always an important part of story evolotion. At the same time, several of their key folks began to split duty between Pixar and other roles. So their key creative group was no more. I think the magic of Pixar has been diluted.

The last film of theirs that I LOVED was Up. The last three (Cars 2, Brave, and MU) haven't made me feel better, although I thought Brave was a good effort.

I'm sure that they will do a good job with the SW universe, but I sure miss the old magic.
 

Master Yoda

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Isn't Star Wars 80% CGI at this point anyway?


You would almost be hard pressed to find a blockbuster movie that is not 80% CGI at this point.

From Lincoln

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From Life of Pi

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Wolf of Wall St.

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Master Yoda

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Trying to remember. Is that one of the "standalone" films that they had announced? I know they are working on the Boba Fett standalone, and I know that a Yoda film was at least rumored.
Yoda, Han and Boba Fett were the three contenders mentioned. At this point, Boba Fett seems to be the most likely with a possible plot twist that will undoubtedly create major nerd rage.
 

sshindel

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Yoda, Han and Boba Fett were the three contenders mentioned. At this point, Boba Fett seems to be the most likely with a possible plot twist that will undoubtedly create major nerd rage.
I saw that plot twist mentioned in a rumor, so I figured that one was plugging ahead. I know at one point there was rumor that the Yoda film was going to be "Seven Samurai"-esque, but that was WAY early on in the rumor mill.
 

Master Yoda

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I saw that plot twist mentioned in a rumor, so I figured that one was plugging ahead. I know at one point there was rumor that the Yoda film was going to be "Seven Samurai"-esque, but that was WAY early on in the rumor mill.
It will be interesting to see what shape these movies take and if they diverge from the typical "Star Wars" style, which I kind of hope they do.
 

sshindel

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It will be interesting to see what shape these movies take and if they diverge from the typical "Star Wars" style, which I kind of hope they do.
I agree. It's kind of why I hope they actually do give Pixar a chance at making one, because I think they'd probably do it differently than most. They'd find some fun little angle or corner of the universe to tell their kind of story in. As long as it's not Lightening McQueen In Space, it'd likely be great.
 

216bruce

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I began to worry about Pixar Storytelling a while back. They had a story artist, Joe Ranft, who was involved in many of their films and who seemed to be a key element in how the final films emerged. From my understanding at the time, he was was a key part of the creative process, although he was never given a ton of glory. He passed in 2005 and was one of those people who, although he was never in the spotlight, was always an important part of story evolotion. At the same time, several of their key folks began to split duty between Pixar and other roles. So their key creative group was no more. I think the magic of Pixar has been diluted.

The last film of theirs that I LOVED was Up. The last three (Cars 2, Brave, and MU) haven't made me feel better, although I thought Brave was a good effort.

I'm sure that they will do a good job with the SW universe, but I sure miss the old magic.
Totally agree with the importance of Joe Ranft. He was to Pixar what Bill Peet was to Disney back in the day. Just a tremendous story guy. Without one of them (at least) involved, a film is in big, big trouble. Disney didn't recover from Peet's exodus for a long time. The films became showcases for great character animation, but with weak stories. Pixar makes great looking movies, but the stories are getting kinda muddled (Brave) or just crappy or repetitive (Cars 2, Planes). No problem with sequels if they have a solid story and few of these sequels have much of one. TS 3 being a very notable exception. It also sounds like they are having substantial issue with "The Good Dinosaur". I hope they find someone to take Ranft's place, but these people are hard to find.
 

sshindel

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Totally agree with the importance of Joe Ranft. He was to Pixar what Bill Peet was to Disney back in the day. Just a tremendous story guy. Without one of them (at least) involved, a film is in big, big trouble. Disney didn't recover from Peet's exodus for a long time. The films became showcases for great character animation, but with weak stories. Pixar makes great looking movies, but the stories are getting kinda muddled (Brave) or just crappy or repetitive (Cars 2, Planes). No problem with sequels if they have a solid story and few of these sequels have much of one. TS 3 being a very notable exception. It also sounds like they are having substantial issue with "The Good Dinosaur". I hope they find someone to take Ranft's place, but these people are hard to find.
The only thing I need to point out here, and it's a minor point, is that Planes was not Pixar. It was stolen directly from a Pixar franchise, but they did not do that film.
 

Matt_Black

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Totally agree with the importance of Joe Ranft. He was to Pixar what Bill Peet was to Disney back in the day. Just a tremendous story guy. Without one of them (at least) involved, a film is in big, big trouble. Disney didn't recover from Peet's exodus for a long time. The films became showcases for great character animation, but with weak stories. Pixar makes great looking movies, but the stories are getting kinda muddled (Brave) or just crappy or repetitive (Cars 2, Planes). No problem with sequels if they have a solid story and few of these sequels have much of one. TS 3 being a very notable exception. It also sounds like they are having substantial issue with "The Good Dinosaur". I hope they find someone to take Ranft's place, but these people are hard to find.

Well, the next couple of films seem like they're going back to the "Let's come up with something off-the-wall". The Good Dinosaur, Inside Out, and the rumored Dia de los Muertes (Day of the Dead) film really look like they're branching out, storywise. Also, GD is gonna have John Lithgow and NPH in it! :inlove:
 

sshindel

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Well, the next couple of films seem like they're going back to the "Let's come up with something off-the-wall". The Good Dinosaur, Inside Out, and the rumored Dia de los Muertes (Day of the Dead) film really look like they're branching out, storywise. Also, GD is gonna have John Lithgow and NPH in it! :inlove:
The little I've seen about Inside Out as well, including who that one has as a cast, looks fantastic as well. I'm very much looking forward to that.

Whatever they do with the Star Wars franchise, it probably won't look like this (but I'll admit, I'd watch the HECK out of this movie)
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Magenta Panther

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Did George Lucas run over your dog in a car he borrowed from Marvel while Kermit the Frog rode shotgun? I'm just trying to think of where all this distaste and anger comes from....

I don't think Disney needs Star Wars, Marvel or Muppets in its company. And I sure don't think the parks need them. It's like Disney's becoming an Old Folks Home For Faded Has-Been Properties. Buying them up and adding them to the parks is degrading to the company and an insult to the Disney legacy of creativity and innovation. If Disney needs new "brands", it should create its own. I might not like the choices WDA made when it created an adaptation (very very LOOSE adaptation) of Hans Christian Anderson's "The Snow Queen", but at least it's a Disney adaptation, and nobody else's. I'll be happy to see it added to the parks (hopefully via a really outstanding ride or attraction) and I'll happily patronize it. It will have earned its place in the old-fashioned Disney way, unlike the other stuff that got shoehorned in due to a CEO's deep pockets and shallow thinking.
 

Matt_Black

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Faded Has-Been Properties?!? Avengers made over a billion dollars worldwide in theaters! Iron Man 3 made about the same! Star Wars continues to be popular despite Lucas' best efforts the past 15 years to drive away fans!
 

Master Yoda

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I don't think Disney needs Star Wars, Marvel or Muppets in its company. And I sure don't think the parks need them. It's like Disney's becoming an Old Folks Home For Faded Has-Been Properties. Buying them up and adding them to the parks is degrading to the company and an insult to the Disney legacy of creativity and innovation. If Disney needs new "brands", it should create its own. I might not like the choices WDA made when it created an adaptation (very very LOOSE adaptation) of Hans Christian Anderson's "The Snow Queen", but at least it's a Disney adaptation, and nobody else's. I'll be happy to see it added to the parks (hopefully via a really outstanding ride or attraction) and I'll happily patronize it. It will have earned its place in the old-fashioned Disney way, unlike the other stuff that got shoehorned in due to a CEO's deep pockets and shallow thinking.
You mean like Snow White, Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan and Mary Poppins?
 

Matt_Black

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You mean like Snow White, Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan and Mary Poppins?

Yeah, as MP himself pointed out in another thread, Disney's original properties like Tron and Gargoyles aren't exactly household names (in part because Disney does a lackluster job of trying to promote them, but hey).
 

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