Pfizer Vaccine News

[JusticeDisney]

Not meaning to be snotty, but why? This is a discussion forum and it can't just always be things that you agree with. Or what I agree with actually. What is being said in most cases is really sincere and it is the other side. It may be the side that you agree with or the one that you don't, but thinking you did wrong by starting the thread is just silly.

In my opinion discussion boards become nothing more than preaching if only one side is allowed to speak. Just because someone says something really doesn't mean that everyone will just accept and believe things that are said. Yes, I have seen some pretty off the wall stuff on this particular thread, but mostly it just points out the general ignorance of the public. They don't do research but they are willing to pass along things that someone else told them. It's to much work to get the real answer from people that actually know.

As far as any discussion board, like this one, it's members are made up of people that know nothing and know it, people that know nothing but are quite sure that they know everything, people that are well read and still may have leaned in a particular direction, and people that really are somewhat informed. The key thing to remember is that those that really count, those that really do know what is going on and are actively working on the problem, hands on, are way to busy to be spending valuable time discussion what Mickey Mouse fans think about the worlds events.

I’m not being snotty, either, but what you’ve said is not the point. The purpose of this thread was to see if other people, like me, were feeling encouraged and excited to get back to WDW with some sense of normalcy given the recent vaccine news. This thread had absolutely ZERO to do with vaxer vs nonvaxer nonsense, or whether the particular vaccine in question will or won’t be safe. I’m fine with people having that debate, but if they wish to do so, they should start their own thread. My complaint here isn’t about limiting one side of a discussion. Indeed, if you notice, I haven’t said one word about which side of this debate I fall on. And the reason I haven’t said one word is because that wasn’t the point of this thread. If someone else wants to have that debate, great, I’m all for it. I just wish they would started their own thread, as opposed to hijacking this one.

 

[John park hopper]

CNN will never put it the same way you did

Agree
MSNBC not exactly a pro Trump news agency post

• "So far, the federal government has struck deals with a handful of pharmaceutical giants that have topped roughly $10.79 billion as part of Operation Warp Speed.
• The operation aims to provide at least 300 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine by January 2021.
• Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer and BioNTech, Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline, Novavax and AstraZeneca have all received funding from the operation for their vaccines."

 

[Goofyernmost]

I’m not being snotty, either, but what you’ve said is not the point. The purpose of this thread was to see if other people, like me, were feeling encouraged and excited to get back to WDW with some sense of normalcy given the recent vaccine news. This thread had absolutely ZERO to do with vaxer vs nonvaxer nonsense, or whether the particular vaccine in question will or won’t be safe. I’m fine with people having that debate, but if they wish to do so, they should start their own thread. My complaint here isn’t about limiting one side of a discussion. Indeed, if you notice, I haven’t said one word about which side of this debate I fall on. And the reason I haven’t said one word is because that wasn’t the point of this thread. If someone else wants to have that debate, great, I’m all for it. I just wish they would started their own thread, as opposed to hijacking this one.

Yea, but you don't get one without the other do you? To bury our heads in fantasy when it cannot happen until either a miracle vaccination arrives and a lot of people finally decide that this is a real thing and make an effort to end it. So because of that the discussion is relevant to the point you were making. Wishing alone will not make it happen. So either way it was not a lost cause to start this thread because if nothing else it helps to highlight what a large part of our current problem is.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Agree
MSNBC not exactly a pro Trump news agency post

• "So far, the federal government has struck deals with a handful of pharmaceutical giants that have topped roughly $10.79 billion as part of Operation Warp Speed.
• The operation aims to provide at least 300 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine by January 2021.
• Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer and BioNTech, Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline, Novavax and AstraZeneca have all received funding from the operation for their vaccines."

My opinion, but when you enact a warp speed activity after the word is that we are close to a real vaccine, is not really the same as supporting it financially before there is a close ending. Lumping those that got our Government money in direct reaction to the news that we were days away from having the vaccine is not the same as providing financial support in the process of creating. If I buy a new car from the dealer I didn't contribute to the cost of development until after it was already developed.

 

[Chi84]

I’m not being snotty, either, but what you’ve said is not the point. The purpose of this thread was to see if other people, like me, were feeling encouraged and excited to get back to WDW with some sense of normalcy given the recent vaccine news. This thread had absolutely ZERO to do with vaxer vs nonvaxer nonsense, or whether the particular vaccine in question will or won’t be safe. I’m fine with people having that debate, but if they wish to do so, they should start their own thread. My complaint here isn’t about limiting one side of a discussion. Indeed, if you notice, I haven’t said one word about which side of this debate I fall on. And the reason I haven’t said one word is because that wasn’t the point of this thread. If someone else wants to have that debate, great, I’m all for it. I just wish they would started their own thread, as opposed to hijacking this one.

I think the problem is that your original post sounded somewhat optimistic. That type of attitude is not tolerated around here It will be put down ruthlessly and relentlessly, by any means necessary. The good news is that the worst of the pessimists either haven't found this thread or are ignoring it.

Oh, and yes, I'm ecstatic about a vaccine that is expected to be highly effective. Absolutely dreaming of a return to WDW!

 

[JusticeDisney]

Yea, but you don't get one without the other do you? To bury our heads in fantasy when it cannot happen until either a miracle vaccination arrives and a lot of people finally decide that this is a real thing and make an effort to end it. So because of that the discussion is relevant to the point you were making. Wishing alone will not make it happen. So either way it was not a lost cause to start this thread because if nothing else it helps to highlight what a large part of our current problem is.

Actually, you absolutely can have one without the other. It’s just that certain people in this thread have chosen to hijack it and make it be about something else. I get it, that happens all the time on message boards. It is what it is.

I’ll make sure I don’t start a thread on the best cheeseburger in WDW, though, as it will likely turn into an argument as to what is or is not an acceptable cholesterol level. Lol!

 

[Goofyernmost]

Actually, you absolutely can have one without the other. It’s just that certain people in this thread have chosen to hijack it and make it be about something else. I get it, that happens all the time on message boards. It is what it is.

I’ll make sure I don’t start a thread on the best cheeseburger in WDW, though, as it will likely turn into an argument as to what is or is not an acceptable cholesterol level. Lol!

If we don't fix this virus we don't get to enjoy WDW or others like we once did and the sooner we make the effort to do what is necessary it will just drag on and on. So the deviation of the thread to your original intent cannot be as black and white as you would like. It is the elephant in the room that we don't want to acknowledge but for me, at least, it is hard to dream about the possibilities instead of experiencing them. It isn't hijacking a thread about how anxious we all are to be able to go to parks without restrictions without pointing out the need for certain actions for that to become anymore then just a dream. It can become a reality if we are smart enough to do our part to make it happen.

 

[JusticeDisney]

If we don't fix this virus we don't get to enjoy WDW or others like we once did and the sooner we make the effort to do what is necessary it will just drag on and on. So the deviation of the thread to your original intent cannot be as black and white as you would like. It is the elephant in the room that we don't want to acknowledge but for me, at least, it is hard to dream about the possibilities instead of experiencing them. It isn't hijacking a thread about how anxious we all are to be able to go to parks without restrictions without pointing out the need for certain actions for that to become anymore then just a dream. It can become a reality if we are smart enough to do our part to make it happen.

It would be one thing to say, for example, “I’m not really excited because I’m nervous about the vaccine” or “I’m not optimistic because I don’t think the vaccine has been tested enough” or “I can’t think of anything other than WDW because this vaccine is going to be great.” All of that would be fair comment. But that’s not what happened here. People took it WAY farther than that and turned the entire thread into an argument about the history of vaccines and other things totally unrelated to the original topic. It simply wasn’t necessary to diverge as far away from the topic as some did in order to respond to the initial point of the thread. And with that, you can have the last word on this if you want, because this is now turning into a debate within a debate, none of which was relevant to the original question.

 

[Chi84]

Actually, you absolutely can have one without the other. It’s just that certain people in this thread have chosen to hijack it and make it be about something else. I get it, that happens all the time on message boards. It is what it is.

I’ll make sure I don’t start a thread on the best cheeseburger in WDW, though, as it will likely turn into an argument as to what is or is not an acceptable cholesterol level. Lol!

I've heard Yak and Yeti.

 

[Zebsterama]

I am very encouraged by the news. We could all use some hope, and some good news. Let's hope it pans out.

I am hoping that much of the world, and Disney as a policy, follow what will likely be the practice in countries like Australia.

Short of having a truly compelling medical reason for not being able to be vaccinated, one must first prove vaccination before one can:
- get their driver's license renewed
- get access to public health services
- enter the country
- get on an airplane
- attend public school
etc. etc. etc.

I am hoping that once a vaccine is widely available, Universal Studios, Disney Parks, and Disney Cruise Line will take on a similar policy.

Two step health authentication:
1) negative Covid test
2) proven vaccination from an accredited pharma provider (no Russian / Putin vaccines please).

In my opinion, the greater good of the vast majority outweigh the civil liberties of a few.

If 5% or 10% of the population don't want or feel comfortable to take a Covid vaccine, no problem, stay home or feel free to build your own theme park, cruise line, etc.

Same thing with masks. Oh, you don't want to wear one? .... no problem, don't expect access or service here.

 

[GoofGoof]

Do you think they would have secured financing if they didn’t have orders lined up?

In the case of Pfizer there was no financing needed. It’s a massive company that regularly does R&D at risk, it’s part of their overall cost structure. The sales contracts they signed with multiple countries made it certain that if a vaccine worked they had someone to sell it to, but there’s little doubt that if they hadn’t sold a single dose in advance they would sell all 1.3 billion doses next year. Really, the advance purchase agreements were more important to the countries receiving the vaccine to ensure they have enough for their citizens.

 

[GoofGoof]

Actually, you absolutely can have one without the other. It’s just that certain people in this thread have chosen to hijack it and make it be about something else. I get it, that happens all the time on message boards. It is what it is.

I’ll make sure I don’t start a thread on the best cheeseburger in WDW, though, as it will likely turn into an argument as to what is or is not an acceptable cholesterol level. Lol!

In all fairness the discussion has generally stayed about the “Pfizer vaccine news” which is the title of the thread. If you start a thread and title it “What’s an acceptable level of cholesterol?“ You can’t really expect people to only talk about the best cheeseburger at WDW.

 

[GoofGoof]

I understand officers will do this sort of thing... but rarely do you ever see any dumping that large of a percentage of their total shares. What he did, didn't look good. Whether he followed all the rules or not will likely be determined if the SEC does an investigation. If that happens, then maybe he'll be exonerated and maybe he won't. I never underestimate the stupidity of corporate executives. To me if something looks crooked it usually is.

I agree the timing was bad, but I don’t think it goes beyond that. If they sold the shares the day before bad news that sunk the stock price it would be much worse optically. The guy really didn’t have all that many shares. He’s a new CEO so doesn’t have a stockpile of shares like some chief executives do. I don’t see it as dumping shares as much as normal financial planning. The whole reason to have these pre-planned stock sales is to allow execs to sell their shares without having to worry about insider trading.

From the standpoint of the vaccine, I don‘t see this as any reflection on the possible viability of the vaccine itself. I know that has been implied some places that this is somehow a sign that Pfizer thinks there is a problem with the vaccine.

 

[JusticeDisney]

In all fairness the discussion has generally stayed about the “Pfizer vaccine news” which is the title of the thread. If you start a thread and title it “What’s an acceptable level of cholesterol?“ You can’t really expect people to only talk about the best cheeseburger at WDW.

That’s just plain laughable. The title was largely irrelevant to the point of the thread. I could have entitled it “Medical News” and it wouldn’t have changed the point. By your logic, that title would justify people in responding about cancer treatments or medicine for athlete’s foot. I also could have entitled it “Light at the End of the Tunnel” and the point of the thread would have been unchanged. But according to your logic, people could have responded by talking about infrastructure and trains.

 

[Chi84]

That’s just plain laughable. The title was largely irrelevant to the point of the thread. I could have entitled it “Medical News” and it wouldn’t have changed the point. By your logic, that title would justify people in responding about cancer treatments or medicine for athlete’s foot. I also could have entitled it “Light at the End of the Tunnel” and the point of the thread would have been unchanged. But according to your logic, people could have responded by talking about infrastructure and trains.

Please, for the love of all things holy, don’t start a thread entitled “Light at the End of the Tunnel.”

 

[JusticeDisney]

Please, for the love of all things holy, don’t start a thread entitled “Light at the End of the Tunnel.”

What? You don’t want a healthy discussion on infrastructure costs and the best way of implementing the construction, along with a feisty debate on the true history of the development of trains and automobiles? LOL!

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

That’s just plain laughable. The title was largely irrelevant to the point of the thread. I could have entitled it “Medical News” and it wouldn’t have changed the point. By your logic, that title would justify people in responding about cancer treatments or medicine for athlete’s foot. I also could have entitled it “Light at the End of the Tunnel” and the point of the thread would have been unchanged. But according to your logic, people could have responded by talking about infrastructure and trains.

I'd say this is clearly an emotionally charged subject. That's my takeaway.

By the way...did you read the thread I started 9/4 about Tiki Room lyrics (What word is is in the line, " The birds in the back are_______________.) Truly, one could not come up with a more trivial and benign discussion topic, than asking what words occur in a ling of song lyrics. Yet that thread also attracted a fair bit of nastiness. (Try taking a peak at page 4 to see how the discussion went.)

The mods have a tough job. Too little and threads go sour. too much, and there's no discussion, or it feels like censorship.

So much of what we post is opinion, and opinions can't be wrong. They can be swayed, they can be outlandish, they can be extreme, but they can't be wrong. Only facts can be wrong, yet it is a hard thing to accept that our opinion isn't held by everyone. Many folks post to forums because they want their opinion to be popular, but you can't really have one without the other. Opinions vary; that's what makes them opinions.

Opening a thread a bit like opening Pandora's box.

 

[JusticeDisney]

I'd say this is clearly an emotionally charged subject. That's my takeaway.

By the way...did you read the thread I started 9/4 about Tiki Room lyrics (What word is is in the line, " The birds in the back are_______________.) Truly, one could not come up with a more trivial and benign discussion topic, than asking what words occur in a ling of song lyrics. Yet that thread also attracted a fair bit of nastiness. (Try taking a peak at page 4 to see how the discussion went.)

The mods have a tough job. Too little and threads go sour. too much, and there's no discussion, or it feels like censorship.

So much of what we post is opinion, and opinions can't be wrong. They can be swayed, they can be outlandish, they can be extreme, but they can't be wrong. Only facts can be wrong, yet it is a hard thing to accept that our opinion isn't held by everyone. Many folks post to forums because they want their opinion to be popular, but you can't really have one without the other. Opinions vary; that's what makes them opinions.

Opening a thread a bit like opening Pandora's box.

You make great points. It’s one thing to hijack a thread, which is what happened here. It is what it is. It happens all the time. No big deal, I suppose. But it’s beyond frustrating when people hijack a thread and then try to claim that they didn’t. Oh well.

 

[GoofGoof]

You make great points. It’s one thing to hijack a thread, which is what happened here. It is what it is. It happens all the time. No big deal, I suppose. But it’s beyond frustrating when people hijack a thread and then try to claim that they didn’t. Oh well.

I would suggest maybe reporting it to the mods if it bothers you that much. You could also change the title of the thread to let people know not to discuss the Pfizer vaccine here.

 

[JusticeDisney]

I would suggest maybe reporting it to the mods if it bothers you that much. You could also change the title of the thread to let people know not to discuss the Pfizer vaccine here.

Doesn’t bother me at all. Indeed, it is you who keeps reaching out to me here, not the other way around. Feel free to follow your own advice and report this to the mods though, if it is bothering you that much.

As for the title, I think I’ll leave it exactly as is. Most people here are sophisticated enough to actually read the post itself in order to ascertain the point of the thread, as opposed to taking the simpleton approach of looking no farther than the title.