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[TP2000]

Ah, yes (16 months since my last visit messed with my memory). I think you’re on to something here. I like putting additional dining there instead of Aladdin.

No sir, you were the one onto this. Your Permit thread here is one of the most under-rated offerings on this forum. Thank you!

If they are re-zoning from Merchandise to Food Service, that can't be Aladdin. Aladdin was a restaurant for decades and still has kitchen facilities attached now used by Jolly Holiday Bakery on the other side of that complex.

I also can't imagine them giving up the Adventureland Bazaar as the major functioning retail space in that land. But that Tropical Imports Snakes N' Cokes thing with a rarely used second floor above would be perfect for a dining experience themed to Jungle Cruise, a la Skipper Canteen and/or Trader Sam's over at the hotel. And it has a great view of the Jungle Cruise from that second level.

Since it's just you and me mainly in your hidden gem of a thread you've been cultivating here, I wonder if this doesn't deserve it's own thread based on that single permit filing?

 

[SSG]

No sir, you were the one onto this. Your Permit thread here is one of the most under-rated offerings on this forum. Thank you!

If they are re-zoning from Merchandise to Food Service, that can't be Aladdin. Aladdin was a restaurant for decades and still has kitchen facilities attached now used by Jolly Holiday Bakery on the other side of that complex.

I also can't imagine them giving up the Adventureland Bazaar as the major functioning retail space in that land. But that Tropical Imports Snakes N' Cokes thing with a rarely used second floor above would be perfect for a dining experience themed to Jungle Cruise, a la Skipper Canteen and/or Trader Sam's over at the hotel. And it has a great view of the Jungle Cruise from that second level.

Since it's just you and me mainly in your hidden gem of a thread you've been cultivating here, I wonder if this doesn't deserve it's own thread based on that single permit filing?

Good thought. Would you care to do the honors?

 

[TP2000]

Good thought. Would you care to do the honors?

My pleasure, with all credit to you. Give me a few moments...

 

[Curious Constance]

No sir, you were the one onto this. Your Permit thread here is one of the most under-rated offerings on this forum. Thank you!

If they are re-zoning from Merchandise to Food Service, that can't be Aladdin. Aladdin was a restaurant for decades and still has kitchen facilities attached now used by Jolly Holiday Bakery on the other side of that complex.

I also can't imagine them giving up the Adventureland Bazaar as the major functioning retail space in that land. But that Tropical Imports Snakes N' Cokes thing with a rarely used second floor above would be perfect for a dining experience themed to Jungle Cruise, a la Skipper Canteen and/or Trader Sam's over at the hotel. And it has a great view of the Jungle Cruise from that second level.

Since it's just you and me mainly in your hidden gem of a thread you've been cultivating here, I wonder if this doesn't deserve it's own thread based on that single permit filing?

You are a compliment expert, TP.

 

[TP2000]

You are a compliment expert, TP.

Thank you. As a Pacific Northwesterner, do you remember Frederick & Nelson by any chance? It was the big fancy department store chain that had it's flagship store in downtown Seattle. This was all before Nordstrom became a thing in the 1970's. Frederick & Nelson succumbed to the Nordstrom juggernaut in the Northwest in the 1990's.

Anyway, Frederick & Nelson used have etiquette classes for children on Sunday afternoons in their Tea Room of the department store. I would get marched over there after Sunday School and was taught how to use an oyster fork, how to introduce a younger adult to an older adult, what to do with your napkin after the cheese course, how to talk to adults at a party and know when to be quiet, how/when to write thank you notes, etc., etc.. It's all stuff that stuck with me for decades.

Children should still get that kind of training, if you ask me.

 

[Curious Constance]

Thank you. As a Pacific Northwesterner, do you remember Frederick & Nelson by any chance? It was the big fancy department store chain that had it's flagship store in downtown Seattle. This was all before Nordstrom became a thing in the 1970's. Frederick & Nelson succumbed to the Nordstrom juggernaut in the Northwest in the 1990's.

Anyway, Frederick & Nelson used have etiquette classes for children on Sunday afternoons in their Tea Room of the department store. I would get marched over there after Sunday School and was taught how to use an oyster fork, how to introduce a younger adult to an older adult, what to do with your napkin after the cheese course, how to talk to adults at a party and know when to be quiet, how/when to write thank you notes, etc., etc.. It's all stuff that stuck with me for decades.

Children should still get that kind of training, if you ask me.

For the love of god, no wonder you're so fancy! You literally went to fancy school!!!

And I was born in 1978, and lived in Pennsylvania until 1997, so I've never heard of Frederick and Nelson

 

[NobodyElse]

Thank you. As a Pacific Northwesterner, do you remember Frederick & Nelson by any chance? It was the big fancy department store chain that had it's flagship store in downtown Seattle. This was all before Nordstrom became a thing in the 1970's. Frederick & Nelson succumbed to the Nordstrom juggernaut in the Northwest in the 1990's.

Anyway, Frederick & Nelson used have etiquette classes for children on Sunday afternoons in their Tea Room of the department store. I would get marched over there after Sunday School and was taught how to use an oyster fork, how to introduce a younger adult to an older adult, what to do with your napkin after the cheese course, how to talk to adults at a party and know when to be quiet, how/when to write thank you notes, etc., etc.. It's all stuff that stuck with me for decades.

Children should still get that kind of training, if you ask me.

That reminds me... The Bullocks in Fashion Square (AKA MainPlace) used to have a tea room. A lost era.

EDIT: Here's a story on the Bullock's Wilshire version.

Now, back to Permit Talk. (And my thanks as well to our OP for unearthing these gems.)

 

[SSG]

For the love of god, no wonder you're so fancy! You literally went to fancy school!!!

And I was born in 1978, and lived in Pennsylvania until 1997, so I've never heard of Frederick and Nelson

F & N; creators of the Frango line of chocolates.

 

[TP2000]

F & N; creators of the Frango line of chocolates.

Frangos! My goodness, you remember?!? Are you from the Pacific Northwest?

Frango mints were so delicious; the house chocolate mints of Frederick & Nelson and the defacto Hostess Gift for every good Seattle dinner party in the 20th century. In the 1960's they switched to these very mod octagon boxes for them, with an elaborately folding top that was like an origami bow. When Marshall Fields bought out Frederick & Nelson in the 1990's they got the rights to the Frango mints, and I've heard Marshall Fields in Chicago still sells them.

I'm so sorry for the thread drift, honest. Back to permits. Permits, permits, permits...

 

[SSG]

Frangos! My goodness, you remember?!? Are you from the Pacific Northwest?

Yup, I'm a Seattle boy. We live in the Burbs (Bothell) now. I do love me some Frangos

 

[jerryp49]

Great find

 

[PacNWTigger]

I've heard of Frederick & Nelson's. I don't remember the etiquette classes, but I fondly recollect the Cinnamon Bear at Christmas time. His cookies were awesome in comparison to Santa's candy canes! I also vaguely remember the little monorail train they ran in the toy area around the holidays. The whole store is completely closed now though, and I'm hoping that something spectacular will make that space great again.

 

[SSG]

I've heard of Frederick & Nelson's. I don't remember the etiquette classes, but I fondly recollect the Cinnamon Bear at Christmas time. His cookies were awesome in comparison to Santa's candy canes! I also vaguely remember the little monorail train they ran in the toy area around the holidays. The whole store is completely closed now though, and I'm hoping that something spectacular will make that space great again.

Nordstrom bought the space and converted it into the Nordstrom flagship store.

 

[PacNWTigger]

I was thinking of the one in Portland. That is true of the Seattle location though.

 

[SSG]

I was thinking of the one in Portland. That is true of the Seattle location though.

Ah, gotcha

 

[SSG]

SWL work chugs along:

Received BLD2017-02371 WALT DISNEY WORLD CO 1313 S HARBOR BLVD Disneyland - SW - DL Frontierland Expansion - BLD 10040/ Attraction #1 - Miscellaneous: (Scene 12) Attachment faux elements total 188 wall panels, archways, ceiling panels anchored to building. REF:BLD2016-03519

That other permit referenced says:

Disneyland - SW - DL Frontierland Expansion - BLD 10040/ Attraction #1 - New Commercial Construction: New Commercial Construction: 165,565 sq.ft two story Amusement Building with (4) pits in basement level and (4) equipment building's roof level.

 

[TP2000]

I was thinking of the one in Portland. That is true of the Seattle location though.

Downtown Portland had a Frederick & Nelson for the last half of the 20th century, plus suburban Portland stores at Lloyd Center and Washington Square, etc.. But it was Meier & Frank that had the Santaland at Christmastime up on the 10th floor of their huge downtown store. There was a monorail hung from the ceiling that traveled around the entire toy department and Santaland's winter wonderland, with small children locked into the cages of each monorail car for the 3 minute journey. Magic!

All of the Portland Frederick's were former Liberty House or Lipman's stores that Frederick & Nelson bought out in the 1960's. Frederick & Nelson in downtown Portland was on Washington, two blocks north of the massive Meier & Frank store on Morrison.

Frederick & Nelson is long gone. And Meier & Frank is now also gone, bought out by Macy's in the 2000's, and now Macy's has just shuttered the giant downtown Portland store. Because Amazon. Very sad.

SWL work chugs along:

Received BLD2017-02371 WALT DISNEY WORLD CO 1313 S HARBOR BLVD Disneyland - SW - DL Frontierland Expansion - BLD 10040/ Attraction #1 - Miscellaneous: (Scene 12) Attachment faux elements total 188 wall panels, archways, ceiling panels anchored to building. REF:BLD2016-03519

That other permit referenced says:

Disneyland - SW - DL Frontierland Expansion - BLD 10040/ Attraction #1 - New Commercial Construction: New Commercial Construction: 165,565 sq.ft two story Amusement Building with (4) pits in basement level and (4) equipment building's roof level.

165,565 square foot two story amusement building. With pits and equipment, too. Judging by the looks of the Alacatraz, AKA "Battle Escape" attraction building, that's what they are talking about here. 165,000 square feet. That sounds huge. Anyone know how many square feet Pirates or Indy is?

 

[NobodyElse]

This rough estimator puts the Indy show building at a little over 54,000 square feet.

So even it the 165,000 figure is split between two stories, it's still a relatively large footprint.

 

[SSG]

Looks like the Fantasmic Aladdin scene is coming along.

Issued BLD2017-02404 MORROW MEADOWS CORPORATION 1313 S HARBOR BLVDElectrical to install apparatus or equipment not listed for "TSI Magic Carpet Lift".

 

[TP2000]

This rough estimator puts the Indy show building at a little over 54,000 square feet.
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So even it the 165,000 figure is split between two stories, it's still a relatively large footprint.

Wow. That is a very helpful comparison and figure to use.

Judging by the aerial shots of Star Wars Land construction, the Alcatraz building is roughly three times the size of the Indy warehouse. So it seems the 165,000 square foot figure is simply the building footprint itself. But the Alcatraz building is much taller than the Indy building, and clearly has at least two levels of 25+ foot tall ride rooms to fill. It dwarfs Indy and Pirates both. In fact, it would seem you could fit both Indiana Jones and Pirates of the Caribbean inside the Alcatraz building at the same time.

This Alcatraz ride is going to be massive and on a scale we've never seen before. I don't think us Disneyland fans quite realize what we have here yet.