Penny Arcade Question

flynnibus

flynnibus

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Randyland said:
If I put photos or video on the Internet, it is a choice which I make.... but when someone else does this without my permission, then I have been deprived the simple right to decide if I want images of myself, my equipment, or my business to be represented in the way in which the camera operator has taken such images.

Maybe, I do not want to be represented in the way the photo or video taken has represented me... shouldn't it be my choice ?

Images must be approved and released only by the owner of the images.

Professionals know that they would require a written release to use images....

However, everyone else somehow believes that just because they took a photo or video, that they own those images.

I have even had people take photos, and then copyright those photos; then expecting everyone else to pay them to use those images.
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They do own the images, as well as the copyright to them - that is the law. They however are not necessarily free to do whatever they want with them depending on the content. They law offers protections to you with regards to controlling the use of your likeness and right of publicity... But one has to accept there are plenty of fair use cases as well.

Yes, the internet has made it more difficult to catch such things, but it seems so queer that someone like yourself who has such a passion for preserving the history of coin op and amusements in turn wants to keep people from preserving their own histories of it as well and further promoting the topic. Pinball is getting a massive boost right now from a younger generation of 20 something's and digital versions of games and here is a business trying to operate in secrecy like an old carnival sideshow... You can not dare reveal what is behind the curtain...

Randyland said:
Retro Arcade was created to give the experience of being there, and playing the games... There is no steep admission cost to come in, it is a business that can only survive through the support of patronage through the few coins which patrons insert into the games, which pay the bills.

When people sit at home starring at their computer looking at photos, they do not aspire to come to the actual location to get the experience the same way.
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Your opinion which you are free too... But most walk up businesses I know work to attract customer by making them want what they see... Not with mystery or saying 'money first... Then we talk'

As a avid collector myself of pinball who has also contributed to efforts to showcase pinball in shows, museums and other venues... I find it selfish when other people in the hobby do not want to share knowledge or content that could benefit others in efforts to maintain or restore these great pieces of Americana. It's the collective good that allows us to keep these things alive and available to inspire future generations and allow the others to relive their memories.

I understand you have a business where you need people coming through the door... But honey attracts better than vinegar

It shows when NY and NJ both have quite an active collector base and your location is never mentioned... Yet places like the silverball are quite well known ( and yes I know their collection differs from yours ).

Randyland said:
It is the same as when you go to a show; they would not allow you to take photos or video....

They are selling the experience, and the photos and video taken is actually stealing what belongs to the show.
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They are selling the performance largely a viewing experience... Yours is a physical one. This is not the riply's attractions :)

And most museums, and public shows like conventions and hobbyist shows freely allow photography except when it puts the piece at risk.

Randyland said:
A long answer which is completely reasonable and logical, but not understood by those who do not want to understand.
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More like... A personal opinion that is inconsistent with most others so it stands out as unusual and harsh.

I appreciate you explaining your position, but I don't agree with the philosophies behind it.
 
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skibum123

Active Member
flynnibus said:
They do own the images, as well as the copyright to them - that is the law. They however are not necessarily free to do whatever they want with them depending on the content. They law offers protections to you with regards to controlling the use of your likeness and right of publicity... But one has to accept there are plenty of fair use cases as well.

Yes, the internet has made it more difficult to catch such things, but it seems so queer that someone like yourself who has such a passion for preserving the history of coin op and amusements in turn wants to keep people from preserving their own histories of it as well and further promoting the topic. Pinball is getting a massive boost right now from a younger generation of 20 something's and digital versions of games and here is a business trying to operate in secrecy like an old carnival sideshow... You can not dare reveal what is behind the curtain...



Your opinion which you are free too... But most walk up businesses I know work to attract customer by making them want what they see... Not with mystery or saying 'money first... Then we talk'

As a avid collector myself of pinball who has also contributed to efforts to showcase pinball in shows, museums and other venues... I find it selfish when other people in the hobby do not want to share knowledge or content that could benefit others in efforts to maintain or restore these great pieces of Americana. It's the collective good that allows us to keep these things alive and available to inspire future generations and allow the others to relive their memories.

I understand you have a business where you need people coming through the door... But honey attracts better than vinegar

It shows when NY and NJ both have quite an active collector base and your location is never mentioned... Yet places like the silverball are quite well known ( and yes I know their collection differs from yours ).


They are selling the performance largely a viewing experience... Yours is a physical one. This is not the riply's attractions :)

And most museums, and public shows like conventions and hobbyist shows freely allow photography except when it puts the piece at risk.



More like... A personal opinion that is inconsistent with most others so it stands out as unusual and harsh.

I appreciate you explaining your position, but I don't agree with the philosophies behind it.
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Face --> Palm.
 
Bairstow

Bairstow

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I'm with Flynnibus.
In a day and age when people largely learn about what they can do and see by seeing their friends document their own experiences, it seems like an odd business decision to prevent this in a niche business such as yours.
 
JenLovesContemporary

JenLovesContemporary

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*sigh* This is the first time I've heard of the Penny Arcade's demise. *another sigh* Those of you who never had the pleasure of going there: this was a place that sported novelties from around the time of Walt Disney's own childhood in Marceline, Missouri -- lots of nickelodeons, "Have Madame <whatever> tell your fortune!" sorts of machines... (Unfortunately, I can't remember the titles of any specific attractions/games there, though I do still have tons of photos of me and my siblings using and posing in front of them.) So, in short, no '70s and '80s arcade games (like you might've found in the Contemporary's late, great Fiesta Fun Center). :)
 
scottnj1966

scottnj1966

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After much time researching this, most of the old games were auctioned off years ago and sold to a guy in New Jersey that owns and runs an arcade.
 
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thomas998

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NiarrNDisney said:
Honestly I think Arcades have now become obsolete with just about everyone owning a home gaming system (Wii, Xbox and whatever else they are called). I think its time that the Mouse takes the opportunity and either retheme it or use the space for a small distraction attraction like a virtual Tron ride like Sum of all thrills or Cyber Space Mt.

But then again with Wreck it Ralph coming out soon who knows? Maybe there will be a new growing interest in Arcades around the country!
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Yep.... I think that's a big reason Disney Quest became such a flop. I think most people have better gaming systems at home than they do in Disney Quest with its only draw being a few games with technology you just wouldn't be able to have in your own home...just not enough to make it relevant.
 
scottnj1966

scottnj1966

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JenLovesContemporary said:
*sigh* This is the first time I've heard of the Penny Arcade's demise. *another sigh* Those of you who never had the pleasure of going there: this was a place that sported novelties from around the time of Walt Disney's own childhood in Marceline, Missouri -- lots of nickelodeons, "Have Madame <whatever> tell your fortune!" sorts of machines... (Unfortunately, I can't remember the titles of any specific attractions/games there, though I do still have tons of photos of me and my siblings using and posing in front of them.) So, in short, no '70s and '80s arcade games (like you might've found in the Contemporary's late, great Fiesta Fun Center). :)
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I would very much like to see these pictures you mention. There are very few pictures of these in the actual Main Street arcade.

Anyway you could post or send them to me?

Thanks

Scott
 

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