News Passholder Benefits Shifting

[celluloid]

Shows the pointlessness from over confidence of Annual Passholders tiered system.

I am glad I bought the Weekday Pass, because basically the Fourth of July Heat of the summer time and Christmas week/spring break week. Times as a local I don't want to be in the heat and crowds anyway.

Hopefully this reminds people that it was never about spreading the crowds over the time of year, it is about allowing as many people in towards capacity for money and keeping per capita spending up. What would help things like that are discounts on Quick Service for Annual Passholders and Cast Members.

 

[V_L_Raptor]

I picture something like a food truck festival, but nicer, inside Wonders of Life.

Uhh... So more or less a mall food court?

 

[aladdin2007]

I really hate that there are two rides in Epcot and you can only get one fast pass. Unfortunaltely all four Disney theme parks are stale and have been for quite some time now. Epcot and Studios obviously being the worst. But MK isn't much better. AK tried but I haven't even rode the new boat ride because the line is insane. And if you don't have a fast pass for Flight of passage forget about it.

incorrect.

 

[mikejs78]

incorrect.

Don't feed the troll. He obviously doesn't like, or get, WDW..

 

[FerretAfros]

Kiosks have to close in lightning so it makes summer festivals much harder to manage. No joke - major reason.

*sigh*

I remember when the festivals were more than just kiosks. I remember when Epcot was more than just festivals.

Neither were as long ago as it may seem. The death spiral has been speeding up rapidly in the last few years.

 

[jakeman]

Sometimes this website is just a giant Yogi Berra quote:

"No one goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

 

[ToTBellHop]

Sometimes this website is just a giant Yogi Berra quote:

"No one goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

Have you seen the 20-minute waits for Frozen Ever After?

A magnet that’s been available for weeks will get the park bursting at its seams, I’m sure.

 

[mikejs78]

Epcot is still my favorite park. It needs some love, but standing in Innoventions plaza, listening to the future world music and overlooking the fountains and Spaceship Earth still gives me chills every single time. There's still a lot of good at Epcot. It could be great again with some basic changes:

* An attraction in WoL
* Better Imagination attraction w Figment - even if not an E ticket level. I'd take a good C ticket at this point.
* Redoing the Nemo ride to be less of a book report and more about Marine Life
* Making use of Innoventions again.

That along with what's already planned could make Epcot a great park again, despite the misplaced IPs.

 

[wdwmagic]

Attendance recently has been not meeting projections across WDW, causing concern amongst management. As a result, a variety of programs have shifted. The big one being that most Low level Passholders can now visit during June (up to the 29th). Also, due to low Epcot Lite (now without a Festival) attendance, Passholder magnets have moved from studios (the expected attendance bomb) to Epcot (the actual one).

TLDR:
Lower Level Passholders are un-blocked until TSL opens
Magnets Move to Epcot
Attendance caused these

Definitely a push for Epcot taking place at the moment.

 

[wdwmagic]

Epcot is still my favorite park. It needs some love, but standing in Innoventions plaza, listening to the future world music and overlooking the fountains and Spaceship Earth still gives me chills every single time. There's still a lot of good at Epcot. It could be great again with some basic changes:

* An attraction in WoL
* Better Imagination attraction w Figment - even if not an E ticket level. I'd take a good C ticket at this point.
* Redoing the Nemo ride to be less of a book report and more about Marine Life
* Making use of Innoventions again.

That along with what's already planned could make Epcot a great park again, despite the misplaced IPs.

That would be a good start, but it needs much more than that. How about 8 - 10 "must do" great experiences? The park does not have that now, or with the upcoming changes.

 

[wdwgreek]

Well Epcot has two major attractions coming in the next few years, the Rat and the lets pretend this about energy of the galaxy coaster, I am sure those two will help buttress some of the decline in attedance, but untill then they are in trouble. A park cannot survive off of festivals and booze.

 

[networkpro]

In spite of the availability of both Schofferhofer Grapefruit and cast members I can converse civilly auf Deutsch, I don't relish baking in the sun or getting soaked and steamed in Epcot from June until August. No protection from the elements at all.

 

[pax_65]

Have you seen the 20-minute waits for Frozen Ever After?

That could have something to do with the fact that it's just not a very good ride. I mean, it's nice, it's cute. I'm sure little kids like it, but it just makes me miss Maelstrom. Definitely not worth a FP unless you have a little kid who just loves Frozen.

 

[jakeman]

Have you seen the 20-minute waits for Frozen Ever After?

A magnet that’s been available for weeks will get the park bursting at its seams, I’m sure.

Not really. I don't have a proclivity for tracking wait times when I'm 600 miles away. I'm finding that I'm a terrible fan for not partaking in such activities.

It's just an odd swing that we go through here from "Walt Disney World is a fire hazard with the number of people there" to "Walt Disney World is a ghost town and selling the fixtures to keep the lights on" in a matter of hours sometimes.

Perhaps the swings are more nuanced than that, but I don't keep track of it beyond threads that are started here.

That dichotomy is why it makes me think of the Yogi Berra quote often while reading the forums.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Shows the pointlessness from over confidence of Annual Passholders tiered system.

I am glad I bought the Weekday Pass, because basically the Fourth of July Heat of the summer time and Christmas week/spring break week. Times as a local I don't want to be in the heat and crowds anyway.

Hopefully this reminds people that it was never about spreading the crowds over the time of year, it is about allowing as many people in towards capacity for money and keeping per capita spending up. What would help things like that are discounts on Quick Service for Annual Passholders and Cast Members.

I still can’t fathom why anyone not wearing a name tag would even consider floating this as a legitimate, reasonable plan.

Anyone thinking they want to “limit” attendance in any fashion...short of rioting...doesn’t understand disney management at all.

 

[Unbanshee]

Passholder magnets have moved from studios (the expected attendance bomb) to Epcot (the actual one).

This is just to get people to scan their MagicBand at the touchpoint, right? Many AP's will just grab their magnet and leave. I'm assuming it allows managers to say "look at all this attendance, everything is fine. I'm doing my job fine."

 

[COProgressFan]

Kiosks have to close in lightning so it makes summer festivals much harder to manage. No joke - major reason.

Also, the "temporary" kiosks are only permitted to remain in place for a certain number of days per year. If they remain out too long, then then they can no longer be considered temporary and must meet stronger Reedy Creek building codes.

 

[tissandtully]

They need to bring back the 20% dining discounts at some QS locations like last year, that seemed to do the trick. Or we can all just enjoy less busy than usual crowds, I'm fine with that too!

 

[ToTBellHop]

Not really. I don't have a proclivity for tracking wait times when I'm 600 miles away. I'm finding that I'm a terrible fan for not partaking in such activities.

It's just an odd swing that we go through here from "Walt Disney World is a fire hazard with the number of people there" to "Walt Disney World is a ghost town and selling the fixtures to keep the lights on" in a matter of hours sometimes.

Perhaps the swings are more nuanced than that, but I don't keep track of it beyond threads that are started here.

That dichotomy is why it makes me think of the Yogi Berra quote often while reading the forums.

Well I’ve been to WDW and seen the dramatic shift at Epcot. Lifting blackout dates is not an everyday occurrence.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Have you seen the 20-minute waits for Frozen Ever After?

A magnet that’s been available for weeks will get the park bursting at its seams, I’m sure.

It honestly shouldn’t have more than that...

But I don’t see 2 hours for mine train making sense either...unless I’m going on 6 Times in a row