Parking lot at Disney's Animal Kingdom about to expand ahead of the park's new additions

[Arty Cordova]

I know people are going to hate this idea but wouldn't it better for Disney to build a few parking garages instead of having a massive asphalt parking lot at all the parks?

Much cheaper this way and very minimal maintenance required.

 

[AEfx]

That's garbage. Anything I do for my company I do on the clock. That's a pretty garbage policy they have in place.

I know, it's pretty infuriating in terms of how you treat workers. Now folks have just talked about the costumes - think about the transportation. Lots of cast have to park at cast parking lots, then bus in - and if you are working at Splash Mountain, even after you get off the bus - you've still got a long way to go.

I believe they have something called "walk time" which is supposed to factor that in, but from when you park your personal vehicle until you are driving home, you definitely don't get paid for all the time it takes/you spend with all those factors and others. When you couple that with the fact that most FOTL CM's are lucky to make minimum wage (even the characters, though face characters get a buck or two more), and the CP'ers make even less than that since they have to pay for their dorm, etc. (most CPers I have talked to pretty much come out even, because they end up eating out so often, etc. with what little they do make).

That's why previously Disney had such universally (no pun intended) excellent staff. You had to really love your job to be there. But of course now that CP is such a huge portion of the cast member pie, and while you have the occasional lifestylers who are in heaven, you also get a large number who end up kind of disgruntled and sick of the "magic" - they thought they'd be spending the summer/semester at WDW having fun, and then realize that long shifts and overtime of mostly fast food and custodial work (the lucky ones get attractions) without a big paycheck at the end of the week, aren't exactly having the time they expected.

 

[peter11435]

No, I believe that ANY work done that is company related should be done on the clock.

So you believe that people should be paid to put on clothes. Do you show up to work naked and wait until you're on the clock to get dressed?

 

[Next Big Thing]

If it were Me, Id build Parking Garages. But it's not me.

Garages are really expensive to build. It's just not necessary unless they were to redo the entire parking lot.

 

[draybook]

So you believe that people should be paid to put on clothes. Do you show up to work naked and wait until you're on the clock to get dressed?

Well, if you weren't so busy being a wise and had instead read my earlier posts, you'd see that I said that I put on my WORK/OSHA RELATED GEAR AFTER CLOCKING IN. Now, do you want me to draw you a picture using crayon, or do you understand?

 

[draybook]

That's garbage. Anything I do for my company I do on the clock. That's a pretty garbage policy they have in place.

When it involves preparation that includes putting on complex costumes for some of them yes, it is. I'm sorry that my opinion doesn't match your beliefs. Just say
the word and I'll stop using the internet and quit going against the grain.

That's great. However, I work for a Fortune 500 company that doesn't require us to have our Osha or company required gear on until we clock in.

Whatever you practice isn't going to change how I think about work related issues being paid for. It's no biggie that we don't agree.

No, I believe that ANY work done that is company related should be done on the clock.

So you believe that people should be paid to put on clothes. Do you show up to work naked and wait until you're on the clock to get dressed?

Any questions, Sherlock?

 

[flynnibus]

That's garbage. Anything I do for my company I do on the clock. That's a pretty garbage policy they have in place.

And why DLR was having such a hard time keeping turnover low before the recession. They really do not err to the working environment for their employees. From where they must park, how long it takes to park and get to the clock, then their rules on clock in vs work location, costuming, crappy shuttles, weak break areas, perks on the decline, removing company parties, etc... and still expected to be the industry's best employees while getting paid less than other hourly unskilled labor in the area.. that get to work indoors.

Its amazing anyone works there.

 

[peter11435]

Well, if you weren't so busy being a wise and had instead read my earlier posts, you'd see that I said that I put on my WORK/OSHA RELATED GEAR AFTER CLOCKING IN. Now, do you want me to draw you a picture using crayon, or do you understand?

I know exactly what you said in your earlier post.

Cast members are not being asked to put on work/OSHA related gear while off the clock. They are being asked to put on clothes. Shirts and pants. Maybe a skirt.

 

[draybook]

I know exactly what you said in your earlier post.

Cast members are not being asked to put on work/OSHA related gear while off the clock. They are being asked to put on clothes. Shirts and pants. Maybe a skirt.

So you're saying that they come to work naked?

 

[peter11435]

So you're saying that they come to work naked?

Wow.. Clearly you need the crayon drawing.

No. I'm saying they are expected to come to work dressed. Just like any other employee.

 

[draybook]

Wow.. Clearly you need the crayon drawing.

No. I'm saying they are expected to come to work dressed. Just like any other employee.

Yes, and most people that I know go to work in personal clothing. Changing into WORK related clothing is something that should be covered under a person's wages.

And if you really want to get into personal attacks then feel free to pm me and we can go there.

 

[peter11435]

Yes, and most people that I know go to work in personal clothing. Changing into WORK related clothing is something that should be covered under a person's wages.

And if you really want to get into personal attacks then feel free to pm me and we can go there.

Putting on a uniform (which is exactly what the costumes are) is not usually covered in a persons wages.

As for personal attacks.. You started that.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So asking your employees to be ready to work when they clock in is garbage? Okay.

I think you might be misinterpreting the word costume. All cast wear costumes, and are expected to have them on before clocking in. The folks that wear the character costumes be them face or furry, do so on the clock.

I'm a general contractor, and all employees of ours, and of our subcontractors, are expected to arrive for work with all of their tools and all OSHA- and Company-Required clothing on.

As discussed earlier, it seems as though Disney realized a while back that they could require this of Cast if they let them take their costumes home.

Entertainment cast is a completely different story. They can't take anything home (except for their personal spanks, tights, etc), and clock in before heading to make-up, hair and wardrobe.

So you believe that people should be paid to put on clothes. Do you show up to work naked and wait until you're on the clock to get dressed?

The whole reason employees can now bring their uniforms home is because it is a garbage policy and was even more of a garbage policy that Disney got called on for decades. It used to be that costumes had to be checked in and out with every shift. There was some extra time paid for changing, but it was never enough to get a costume, go to the locker room, change and get to one's position. At Disneyland the policy was even worse as you were not supposed to walk across the park and ruin the illusion, meaning those working in Adventureland, Frontierland and Fantasyland had to walk around the outside perimeter of the park from the employee entrance between Main Street, USA and Tomorrowland. A part of me wants to say there was some sort of transportation or different options available at the EPCOT Center to get people around the back side of World Showcase. Either that or it was just the Disneyland situation but multiplied to be even worse.

Disney decided that instead of paying for all of this extra time that they required of their employees, it was easier and cheaper to just let them take home the costumes. This also coincided with decisions to reduce the number of available costumes as well as the variety of sizes necessary to give every person a proper fit. I would also guess that these decisions have played a role in recent costume designs being so flat.

 

[draybook]

Putting on a uniform (which is exactly what the costumes are) is not usually covered in a persons wages.

As for personal attacks.. You started that.

Yep, and I'm saying that if you want to continue it then take it to messages.

Otherwise this is opinion vs opinion.

 

[Tom]

Putting on a uniform (which is exactly what the costumes are) is not usually covered in a persons wages.

As for personal attacks.. You started that.

Right, not usually. Just if you work for Fortune 500 companies.

If you work food service, you can't clock in unless you're in uniform. Proper shoes, pants, company issued shirt, hat. This goes for most places of employment.

 

[Figment2005]

No, I believe that ANY work done that is company related should be done on the clock.

Changing clothes is not work.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Right, not usually. Just if you work for Fortune 500 companies.

If you work food service, you can't clock in unless you're in uniform. Proper shoes, pants, company issued shirt, hat. This goes for most places of employment.

Most places also don't claim to have cast members and not employees.

 

[draybook]

Changing clothes is not work.

It's work related.

 

[peter11435]

It's work related.

Yup. You're right. They should actually pay everyone to eat, sleep, and shower too. After all people can't work if they're not properly nourished and rested.

 

[draybook]

Yup. You're right. They should actually pay everyone to eat, sleep, and shower too. After all people can't work if they're not properly nourished and rested.

I'm tired of arguing with you. I have an opinion and you have one. The difference is that you're trying to force me to adhere to yours while you try to slam mine. Before I introduce you to the ignore button, I invite you to take a look at how many "likes" you have. There's a good reason for that. Enjoy your life my friend.