TrainsOfDisney
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I get this. I also thought it would be somewhat clear I was playing devils advocate for the sake of discussion.
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Orlando man charged with hitting a Disney security guard during fight over COVID-19 mask rule
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I get this. I also thought it would be somewhat clear I was playing devils advocate for the sake of discussion.
3BratsToDisney
Active Member
So because this guy was inconvenienced and had to make a trip or two to his car it’s Disney’s fault for not doing better? Is that the consensus here?
Ridiculous giving criminals excuses. What about self accountability? no Excuse period there is ample info out there on the mask policy (even leading into the park)
Ridiculous giving criminals excuses. What about self accountability? no Excuse period there is ample info out there on the mask policy (even leading into the park)
Tori
Well-Known Member
If the guy can't handle his temper walking back and fourth from parking lot he's in for a treat in the park.
It's not Disney's fault that the guest chose to wear an improper mask. Maybe people should take personal responsibility for their actions. Read the rules before you visit private property.
Archie123
Well-Known Member
Lol, actually that wasn't clear at all but I'll take your word that you were.
Disney Analyst
Well-Known Member
I mean, it's not like Disney's mask policies are hard to find... It's not like there aren't vending machines at the front of the parks with masks to purchase.
Some people choose to act ignorantly to try and get away with anything, in this case it would not work, and then he made the "mature" decision to assault a CM.
Some people choose to act ignorantly to try and get away with anything, in this case it would not work, and then he made the "mature" decision to assault a CM.
eliza61nyc
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Because they shouldn't have to. Why can't grown A adults take responsibility?? He didn't just wake up in the morning to the mask requirement.
Please stop making excuses for this prince charming. He assaulted someone. Now Disney has to be responsible for morons that can't follow rules and have anger management issues?
Jeez I guess when real life problems come to him and he really hurts some one that will be ok too
LoL so how far can we run with that excuse?? It's hot outside can I rob 7-11 because you know they have all the slurpees.... They should know it's hot and people will need them, maybe have free cups right there at the door
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TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Suggesting Disney can do better is not equal to making excuses. I would expect Disney to provide the same level of customer service and courtesy that my local grocery store does, and they don’t nit-pick about what is an acceptable form of a mask. Nobody does except Disney and universal that I’m aware of.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Ahhh I re-read the article and now it’s coming together....
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The security guard reached for his phone to notify a security supervisor of the escalating situation when Toro struck the guard’s head with an “open hand,” the report said.
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So he was probably knocking the phone away from the guard... which is a stupid move for anyone to make but would explain why the cm wasn’t hurt.
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The security guard reached for his phone to notify a security supervisor of the escalating situation when Toro struck the guard’s head with an “open hand,” the report said.
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So he was probably knocking the phone away from the guard... which is a stupid move for anyone to make but would explain why the cm wasn’t hurt.
Archie123
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TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
I guess this is more of that devils advocate that you mentioned earlier???
What did I say that isn’t a fact?
Do you have a personal issue with me? You’ve responded to everything I’ve posted with something snarky.
eliza61nyc
Well-Known Member
I guess I'm different see I expect grown adults to act better than a 5 year old. I expect grown adults to be able to exhibit self control and not have a meltdown just because they don't get their way.
My children learned in kindergarten that you do not hit, they learned that hitting is not a correct response to frustration.
Lol so your saying I can haul off and slap someone at the grocery store because I'm made at the long lines?? And use that lame customer service excuse??
You're name wouldn't be "Karen" would it?
Archie123
Well-Known Member
Nope no personal beef but I find it ludicrous that you have constantly make excuses for a guest to assault a cast member for trying to do his job. It was the guests responsibility to not only have the correct face coverings for himself and his family but to wear it properly the entire time inside the park. I could care less how many times he had to walk back to his car or how hot it was or rainy. Boo hoo. And whether or not Disney should or should not give out free (and they shouldn‘t) masks is irrelevant because they don’t. But hey keep playing “devils advocate” and make excuses for someone like this loser.
castlecake2.0
Well-Known Member
I cannot believe people are trying to make excuses for this guy! He hit a cast member, I don’t care how hot or frustrated how are you defending this.
SoFloMagic
Well-Known Member
Since day one they've sold masks in a vending machine that takes card and cash for $2 outside any gate.
Their website, which you have to visit to make reservations, lists mask requirements across the whole top of the site. When you confirm your reservation, it has a list of what you need to comply with and you need to sign off to get your rezzie.
If you choose to be uninformed, that's on you.
And if you punch someone over masks, there's a special place in theme park hell for you
InnKpr
Well-Known Member
There's a difference between having the wisdom to question certain things that need questioning, and playing "devil's advocate" for the sake of making waves when none need to be made.
Like I said earlier, it's reasons like this why 2020 is in the looney bin, the internet always seems like one giant slug-fest, and shows like Finding Bigfoot generate high ratings.
"There's a virus killing people."
"But what if it's a hoax and not real??"
"We may get a vaccine for it."
"Don't take it. What if it's deadly???"
"The earth is round."
"But what if it's flat?"
"There's a hurricane comin..."
"Don't trust the meteorologists!!!!"
"A Disney security officer got hit."
"But what if he hit first???"
Like I said earlier, it's reasons like this why 2020 is in the looney bin, the internet always seems like one giant slug-fest, and shows like Finding Bigfoot generate high ratings.
"There's a virus killing people."
"But what if it's a hoax and not real??"
"We may get a vaccine for it."
"Don't take it. What if it's deadly???"
"The earth is round."
"But what if it's flat?"
"There's a hurricane comin..."
"Don't trust the meteorologists!!!!"
"A Disney security officer got hit."
"But what if he hit first???"
The Empress Lilly
Well-Known Member
Personally I actually appreciate your trying to view this case from all angles. Never take a story at face value. Construct a counter narrative. Question the source like a historian.
Unfamiliarity with critical reasoning too is a 2020 sin, as much as entitlement issues and a penchant for conspiracy theories.
I do expect my final verdict to be the same as my initial one: keep the trash out. And no, WDW does not need to provide free masks (although that could prevent many undesirable scenarios). Shirts and shoes must be worn too, and nobody argues their inalienable rights over these.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Thanks.
I’m going to expect that if I had witnessed it I would agree with your final verdict as well.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Sorry I wasn’t clear, I never said nor did I intend to imply that I thought the cm hit the guest. I was suggesting that the guest was slapping away the cm if he had put his hand on him. After re-reading the article more carefully I’m guessing he was slapping the phone away from him.
My apologies. I try to see everything in life from both sides. I’ll try to be more clear in future posts.
3BratsToDisney
Active Member
Regardless if he slapped a phone away or hit the guard it's still an assault on the CM. You just don't put your hands on anyone...period. The guard was in the right to call for assistance - it's his job.