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This is why you are one of my favorite posters. LOL
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One Way SW Land's Location Really Works
- Thread starter Rich T
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This is why you are one of my favorite posters. LOL
mickEblu
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Lol. Thank you and likewise. I enjoy what you bring to these forum(s)
ctrlaltdel
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I think I probably could have phrased it better. SW is itself a pretty broad IP, which is why we are seeing a whole new planet as the center of SW Land. I think SW is more about atmosphere and a particular feel more than any particular place in its universe (unlike, I would argue, Harry Potter), which makes it a good fit in DL. As @phruby noted, it can be seen as an extension of Fantasyland, but also can be seen as a good complement to Frontierland, as the OT (especially ANH), is undeniably influenced by old Westerns. SW was even originally conceived as a modern version of 1930's adventure serials, which links well with Adventureland. And of course a heavy dose of Sci-Fi, which is certainly present in Tommorowland. My point is, SW itself is an amalgamation of different story types, many of which are present in the themed lands of Disneyland. I can't fault you if you can't accept the idea of a single IP land in DL, since it is a radical deviation of the original park concept, but SWL, IMO, is not a radical deviation from the overall tone of the park.
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Californian Elitist
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I disagree with all your points, but to each their own.
ctrlaltdel
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Fair enough
Way back when Disney was considering a complete Lucas redo of Tomorrowland, including the 2nd pedestrian level, I was all for it, but now I'm glad the Star Wars theme is more tucked away. I agree with you about the great previous progression of themes as you circle the park, but that's all out the window now and I'm trying to make lemonade out of what we're getting (I think it'll be yummy lemonade, at least). Since SW technically takes place in the distant past, you could say that when you walk past critter country you're going off the time map into uncharted territory...I guess.
We all agree Tomorrowland's a mess. I know there's no returning to the previous vision where folks really did trust Monsanto and General Electric and Goodyear to point the way to a brighter future (or at least we could suspend our skepticism while being dazzled).
What I do want to see brought back to Tomorrowland is brightness, kinetics and optimism. It should paint a near-future that actually looks fun to live in. I agree with mickEblu that this could be primarily accomplished with the look of the land, and not necessarily the rides. Make it a land about dreaming about tomorrow. The biggest plus would be to finally come up with a fun, workable, visually awesome Peoplemover replacement and either relocate the Orbiter or just trash it. They could keep Nemo, Buzz and (especially) Space Mt. Make Autopia look futuristic if they're going to keep it. Put a high-tech reinvention of Circlevision in the Carousel theater. Have lots of live music, fountains, brightness and--for once--really good food, all tied together with a slick, breezy architectural style that ties everything together. That would be enough for now.
One other thing Tomorrowland needs to return to: Art. Sculpture, painting and tile work. Art is one of the things that makes humans special. Those Mary Blair murals added a warmth and charm to the 60's vision of the future. Just because the 90's Tomorrowland Chlorine Maze and the dancing radar dishes didn't work doesn't mean Imagineering should stop trying to bring art to Tomorrowland. We want art, music and good food in our future.
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What I do want to see brought back to Tomorrowland is brightness, kinetics and optimism. It should paint a near-future that actually looks fun to live in. I agree with mickEblu that this could be primarily accomplished with the look of the land, and not necessarily the rides. Make it a land about dreaming about tomorrow. The biggest plus would be to finally come up with a fun, workable, visually awesome Peoplemover replacement and either relocate the Orbiter or just trash it. They could keep Nemo, Buzz and (especially) Space Mt. Make Autopia look futuristic if they're going to keep it. Put a high-tech reinvention of Circlevision in the Carousel theater. Have lots of live music, fountains, brightness and--for once--really good food, all tied together with a slick, breezy architectural style that ties everything together. That would be enough for now.
I was with you up until this paragraph. I'm not opposed to those ideas, but I sure hope that Disney can come up with something more than just an update of TL '67.
This would be the EZ-Fix version.
I'd like to be surprised by something completely new and unexpected as long as it's fun and (I know I'm driving this word into the ground) optimistic. They've tried so many different versions of TL in other parks (and DL's failed makeover): Vernian, Cynical, New Age, etc. I think DL should stick close to its original message, especially now that Epcot's FW is kinda giving up on its original direction.I'd be cool with Steampunk, though.
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Brenthodge
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steam punk was the root of the failed most recent redo - as inspired by Discoveryland DLP -
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Steampunk wasn't the problem. The problem was the terrible execution.
Brenthodge
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Either way I think that ship has sailed. I agree I LOVED the idea. It just got slashed and burned in the budget category. Wasted opportunity to do a cool style justice.
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Although it's unlikely to ever materialize I think an elaborate fantastical steampunk realm (TL) between Fantasyland and Main Street at DL shouldn't be off the table. It could work thematically if done right (ie: Discovery Bay) in that location. It could also be a nice counterweight to SW Land, finally giving WDI some relief from trying to accomplish Walt's "vision of the future" at DL, which is something they are incapable of ever achieving.
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ctrlaltdel
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TL is such a tough nut to crack. I wouldn't mind them going more towards Discovery Bay, even if it makes more thematic sense in it's original proposed location. But, I believe it is fixable in something close to it's current state. They really need to find out what to do with the Subs/Autopia, it's just a waste of prime real estate, even if they look nice with the Matterhorn and the Monorail loop.
Californian Elitist
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dweezil78
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If Discovery Bay was installed way back around the time it was supposed to be put it in, they'd be leveling it to become SWL by now anyways.
It'd be a 30+ year old land based on old Disney IP and probably a shell of what it was in its heyday.
George Lucas on a Bench
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I have no hope for Tomorrowland. They've built new versions in the Asian parks and they're also bad and have nothing to do with the original concept/theme. Hong Kong's version is especially awful in every way.
Californian Elitist
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If Discovery Bay was installed way back around the time it was supposed to be put it in, they'd be leveling it to become SWL by now anyways.
It'd be a 30+ year old land based on old Disney IP and probably a shell of what it was in its heyday.
My overall point was Tomorrowland should stick with its original theme and not have some sort of steampunk theme infused into it.
Something themed to steampunk should have its own land.
Okay... how 'bout this: Tomorrowland as the future we really want, the future we always think we could get, but just aren't there yet. Walt's original vision, but ramped up a notch. Again, bright airy architecture reaching skyward, encoraging us to look up; where we'd see muliple elevated rides simulating a world of perfect, fun public transit in personal vehicles, Star Tours has become a commuter shuttle to Moon-opolis (something goes horribly wrong). Flynn's Arcade zaps you into Tron's Game Grid. In another ride, Virtual Reality no longer needs headsets to take you anyplace, but--again--something goes horribly wrong on your turn. The subs take you on a tour of Seabase One, Earth's first underwater city. Autopia is zippy and the cars are sentient. The new attraction in Carousel Theater isn't just circlevision, but a wild spinning journey to the outer edge of our arm of the Galaxy. Robots take your food orders and drones fly your tray to your table. There's live entertainment and pleasing art everywhere you look. And at the Disneyland Forever 2.0 shop, you can buy any music track from any Disney park and instantly download it to your phone's library. Same with any Disney book, TV show or movie that ever existed.
I think what I'm saying is that the framework's right there waiting; It doesn't have to be reinvented too much from its original concept. It just needs a zillion dollars thrown at it.
I think what I'm saying is that the framework's right there waiting; It doesn't have to be reinvented too much from its original concept. It just needs a zillion dollars thrown at it.