On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

Nubs70

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This from the Oragerie at SanSouci in Potsdam. That marble floor is so precise you could hold a curling match on it. After laying several tile floors, it was amazing.
 

Lilofan

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Eviction bans are not a solution. As a very shot-term stopgap, perhaps, but it is not sustainable over any period of time. You simply cannot expect landlords to carry tenants for months and months with no rent. Without that income, many landlords would not even be able to pay the mortgage, taxes, and insurance on their properties.

I feel bad for renters who are affected by COVID-19, but if the government really wants to offer a solution, then it needs to actually cover those people's rent. Simply saying everyone can stay in their homes rent-free is going to end up bankrupting a lot of landlords.
Some renters though are taking advantage of extensions of eviction bans and not paying rent. Amazon deliveries are on the upswing in those locations.
 

Heppenheimer

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I concur on the Civil War battlefield comment. The topic of WWII is pretty much not discussed other than with tour guides. However, with one's knowledge of WWII, you will know what and where to look more so than even your tour guides.

Another interesting aspect on my first trip to Berlin was the difference in affluence between what was East and West Berlin just in the automobiles parked on the street. In Charlottenburg, there were Bugattis and Audis while in Prenzlauerberg there were simple mid sized cars. Another neat contrast is between the Berlin Hbf and Ostbahnhoff. Berlin Hbf is a gleaming glass encased train station with the Ostbahnhoff being of what you would expect of East German construction, narrow hallways with 7ft ceilings. Fredrichstein station is what you would expect of.1920's construction.

In summary, when the opportunity returns, GO.
The current Hauptbahnhof, though, was built post-unification. If I'm not mistaken, the land it now sits on was a dead zone between the divided halves of Berlin. I'm not positive, but I think the Zoo station may have been the main rail terminus for the western half of the city, if you wanted a side-by-side comparison.

Berlin is a fascinating city, but it isn't the place to go if you want to see the scenic Germany that influenced the Disney fairy tale look. Wouldn't particularly recommend it if your interest is Third Reich history (Munich and Nuremburg would be better for that), since besides the Olympic Stadium, Templehof Airport and the flak tower, hardly any traces of the regime survive. The Berlin Third Reich tours mostly take you to parking lots or in front of inconspicuous apartment blocks where something else once stood. If your historical interests include Prussia, the German Empire or the Cold War, though, there's plenty to see. Don't expect to see hardly anything built before the late 1800s unless you head out to nearby Potsdam, which is well worth a daytrip.
 

Tonybme

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I knew a guy from FL who had a German girlfriend. They both went to Dresden to visit her family. My friend said the Germans in Dresden hated Americans. He told me why.

I'm an American. My wife is from Dresden. I am not hated when I go over there. In fact, people hear my accent and are excited to practice their English.

The only time I get concerned is when the AfD is having their rallies. And that's all I'll say about that because I don't want to get political.
 

Nubs70

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The current Hauptbahnhof, though, was built post-unification. If I'm not mistaken, the land it now sits on was a dead zone between the divided halves of Berlin. I'm not positive, but I think the Zoo station may have been the main rail terminus for the western half of the city, if you wanted a side-by-side comparison.

Berlin is a fascinating city, but it isn't the place to go if you want to see the scenic Germany that influenced the Disney fairy tale look. Wouldn't particularly recommend it if your interest is Third Reich history (Munich and Nuremburg would be better for that), since besides the Olympic Stadium, Templehof Airport and the flak tower, hardly any traces of the regime survive. The Berlin Third Reich tours mostly take you to parking lots or in front of inconspicuous apartment blocks where something else once stood. If your historical interests include Prussia, the German Empire or the Cold War, though, there's plenty to see. Don't expect to see hardly anything built before the late 1800s unless you head out to nearby Potsdam, which is well worth a daytrip.
Yes Zoo Station was the Main Hbf before the current Hbf. Actually going to Berlin gives much more appreciation than textbooks. One can spend 2 days on Museum Island alone. If you look at the columns and facades you can tell which direction the Russians were coming from.

Even stopping for a beer in Hackeshermarkt and people watch. Just a hint, the ladies standing on the street corner are not waiting for the bus. That is another cultural difference.
 

Tom P.

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Some renters though are taking advantage of extensions of eviction bans and not paying rent. Amazon deliveries are on the upswing in those locations.
Of course. There will always be dishonest people who take advantage of any attempt to do good. My point, though, was that you can't help renters who are in trouble by shifting the burden to the landlords. All you are doing is breaking the financial backs of the landlords instead of the renters at that point.
 

Nubs70

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I knew a guy from FL who had a German girlfriend. They both went to Dresden to visit her family. My friend said the Germans in Dresden hated Americans. He told me why.
Not really true. I never had an issue at all when I was over there. I went over the first time for 3 months for my MBA and studied with German students. Mind you I was almost twice their age. I found the German students some of the most admirably bright intelligent people. Extremely nice to which I keep in contact with to this day. We have an open invite for dinner if and when we may be in each other's towns.

I was brought up with the WWII centric understanding and preconceptions of Germany. My take away is that the subsequent generations, especially the current, have nothing to do with what happened back 70+ years ago and should be respected accordingly.
 

celluloid

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Of course. There will always be dishonest people who take advantage of any attempt to do good. My point, though, was that you can't help renters who are in trouble by shifting the burden to the landlords. All you are doing is breaking the financial backs of the landlords instead of the renters at that point.

I second it. It just shifts the problem as if it is shifting the blame.
 

Lilofan

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Eviction bans are not a solution. As a very shot-term stopgap, perhaps, but it is not sustainable over any period of time. You simply cannot expect landlords to carry tenants for months and months with no rent. Without that income, many landlords would not even be able to pay the mortgage, taxes, and insurance on their properties.

I feel bad for renters who are affected by COVID-19, but if the government really wants to offer a solution, then it needs to actually cover those people's rent. Simply saying everyone can stay in their homes rent-free is going to end up bankrupting a lot of landlords.
For gov't to cover renters rent as opposed to temp eviction bans? That's wishful thinking. How is that going to be operated, on the renters "honor"system?
 

Heppenheimer

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I'm an American. My wife is from Dresden. I am not hated when I go over there. In fact, people hear my accent and are excited to practice their English.

The only time I get concerned is when the AfD is having their rallies. And that's all I'll say about that because I don't want to get political.
AfD is pretty indifferent to Americans. Die Linke, on the other hand...

I never noticed any hostility in Dresden, but for the most part, Germans really don't go out of their way to speak with strangers, unless you jay walk, or put the wrong waste in the wrong recycling container.
 

Miss Bella

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Thanks to everyone for your help on touring Germany. You've given me a lot to think about. I'm also thinking about changing the course and spending 10 days in Germany and taking the transatlantic home to relax. We did that last year. We spent 5 days in London pre-cruise. It was great except for the menacing hurricane.
 

Miss Bella

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This thread was never great about staying on topic, but come on! Yet another COVID debate, politics, and tips for vacationing to Germany?
We all may disagree on a lot of things, but the one thing we all agree on is that we love to travel and plan vacations. A friendly off-topic conversation once in a while is healthy. I'm sure we'll be back to arguing about the state of Disney soon enough.
 

Heppenheimer

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We all may disagree on a lot of things, but the one thing we all agree on is that we love to travel and plan vacations. A friendly off-topic conversation once in a while is healthy. I'm sure we'll be back to arguing about the state of Disney soon enough.
Hence, my notes on how the traditional architecture of Germany and Austria heavily influenced Disney's fairy tale aesthetic.
 

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