On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
How many families visiting WDW include a grandparent over 60? At least one member is obese. My observations suggest a lot. Now add those with diabetes, heart and respiratory issues. That's a lot of groups. How many conventions and business groups have canceled? I've read about 10% of guests are international and cant visit. Some guests have quarantine requirements.

Its amazing how many posters in Disney fan sites are surprised at low attendance.


Add economic issues and dissatisfaction with modified experiences
What's even more surprising is how many don't think Disney is hurting financially right now. Its like they have their fingers in their ears and don't want to hear it. When more then a few people have said they aren't doing well it's good possibility that it's true.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
What's even more surprising is how many don't think Disney is hurting financially right now. Its like they have their fingers in their ears and don't want to hear it. When more then a few people have said they aren't doing well it's good possibility that it's true.
That’s the subconscious talking....

Because the demons inside their heads know:

1. No new parks
2. No new hotels
3. No new rides (not already under major construction...for along time)
4. Major price squeezes to “get it back”
5. Reduction in quality/investment in tv, movies, products, etc.


And I’m not sure I’m even disagreeing with the optimism? Because it’s a natural human response mechanism.

We’re not getting any younger...and it’s gonna SUCK to be a Disney fan.
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
That’s the subconscious talking....

Because the demons inside their heads know:

1. No new parks
2. No new rides (not already under major construction...for along time)
3. Major price squeezes to “get it back”
4. Reduction in quality/investment in tv, movies, products, etc.


And I’m not sure I’m even disagreeing with the optimism? Because it’s a natural human response mechanism.

We’re not getting any younger...and it’s gonna SUCK to be a Disney fan.
Maybe it's time people went to the dark side. At least Universal and most other regional parks are adding new attractions next year. Most of them are just delaying their plans a year. Disney is outright cancelling things.
 

hopemax

Well-Known Member
37 pages. I shoulda logged in and caught up last night.

I *will* be back shortly.
Skip the reading, just post. :D

You haven't missed any park discussions of substance. Just more riffing on the "is the virus serious or not." Wrapped in a bit of," Disney will bounce back just fine." "No they won't." The longer you wait to post something new, the longer the rest of us have to deal with nonsense, and it will be another 20 pages.
 

38053WDW

Well-Known Member
Oh man. I have logged in, written drafts, deleted them, and swore I would never do this. Yet here I am. And I'm ready to start some ****.

The Walt Disney Company is about to experience some of the deepest layoffs I have ever witnessed in my adult life. I would call attention to the 2002 and 2009 layoffs after those respective crises. Those separations from the company were orderly. Often via generous voluntary packages. Hell, to his credit, Al Weiss was militant about never laying off a CM against their will after 9/11. I respect that. He was basically a dumbass otherwise.

In 2009, there was a similar "orderly" exit of excess personnel. However, much of this labor was brought back remarkably fast as Disney's business was in far better shape in 2009.

We also have other, smaller layoffs that hit project teams at WDI. These are bull**** layoffs. Flim Flam. Just some accounting tricks. Almost everyone is brought back.

Well, these days are no more. What you are about to see from WDC will be shocking and it will permanently change their business forever. The bloat is about to be gone. The mediocrity that's failed upward all our lives is about to be purged. A new company is emerging.

And no, Bob Chapek is no hero. But he does recognize the value in taking out the trash.

Now, lets talk about attendance at WDW. It's effing bad. Its Hard Rock Park bad. It's Dubai bad. Its the worst attendance in the history of the resort. Epcot is lucky to hit 2500 a day and usually is only hosting a few hundred at a time. Magic Kingdom is tormentingly under performing. There is simply no demand to fill the park out even to its limited capacity. The other two parks are also in dire straits, but due to their smaller size, there are certain days they can make a go of it. And yet still, the resort business is the iceberg and WDW Parks are the titanic. This will not end well.

The situation is dire. Unsustainable. WDW parks will be dropping to five day weeks soon. They will likely not be alone in this practice.

And that brings me to Bob Iger. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Gotta Put Yoda on His Wife's Dress to Bury Some Search Engine Leads. That guy. It is my pleasure to announce that he will be soon tossed on his ***. In disgrace. His sins, his poor judgement, his poor treatment of subordinates. His malicious temper and outrageous displays of "toxic masculinity" as the kids call it. All this and more is coming out. Good riddance.

Disney World is our "go to" vaca when we splurge.. talking up to $10k for 8 days! This rona is killing everything.. my spirit .. my happy place... even work atmosphere .... Disney is becoming too big a corporation and his having to cave to the "mob" mentality (my opinion). Is ESPN even sports anymore? Don't take away splash mountain, put in another ride/restaurant for Princess & the Frog! We need more rides.. Can you imagine a Tiana's Place Restaurant character breakfast with Beignets! They have the room! Everything has to be "politically correct" for our children. They will cut back but prices don't seem to be cutting back.. this is why I will not return for sometime .. I cannot pay those prices and noting open / don't touch / pre rides shows shut down.. etc... I do agree.. Disney cannot survive with these crowd levels and it may get worse before getting better. Again my two cents so don't kill me..
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
I’m fine with the whole “Super-Team of Insiders dropping in to convince all the hoaxers that things are indeed really bad inside of Disney” thing because I agree with their message. But it seems more and more like I’m reading a reputation management campaign than a fan forum here.

I asked Steve if multiple members posting here (on this thread, in particular) from the same IP address—which would indicate that it’s a few people posing as a larger number of members—something that would help me as a member and casual participant know how to interact on here.
It seems to have been pushed out of the forum's collective consciousness or forgotten, but not too long ago there was that big expose that leaked on here that shook the community. It essentially laid out that many alleged "insiders" are actually people paid from within the company to purposely leak the inside information and opinions they tell them to, in an attempt to sway public opinion, and that this practice has gone on since the early 00's. Was it concrete proof? No, but it's something I and many others had suspected for a long time, and we have little reason to believe it any less than the other "insider" info dumps.

As I said in my previous post in here, I've been here almost 20 years, and it's absolutely a recurring pattern on this forum. Some major event or announcement happens, and sure enough, not too much later, a big spectacle of an expose thread appears and all the "insiders" crawl out of the woodwork to drop a boatload of insider info with a heavy dose of Doom & Gloom. Every time, you'd think the company was going to collapse, the parks were going to be sold, etc. Never happens.

Why do all the insiders always show up at the same time? Why do they all have a very similar style of posting and communicating?

Option B: Often, the "insider info" is just the collective news, rumors, and opinions already known and expressed throughout the online community, only wrapped up and written in a way that implies official-ness. As in, anyone who pays close enough attention could reasonably write something up that sounds like insider info leak.

Things to consider before blindly trusting threads like this and panicking.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It seems to have been pushed out of the forum's collective consciousness or forgotten, but not too long ago there was that big expose that leaked on here that shook the community. It essentially laid out that many alleged "insiders" are actually people paid from within the company to purposely leak the inside information and opinions they tell them to, in an attempt to sway public opinion, and that this practice has gone on since the early 00's. Was it concrete proof? No, but it's something I and many others had suspected for a long time, and we have little reason to believe it any less than the other "insider" info dumps.

As I said in my previous post in here, I've been here almost 20 years, and it's absolutely a recurring pattern on this forum. Some major event or announcement happens, and sure enough, not too much later, a big spectacle of an expose thread appears and all the "insiders" crawl out of the woodwork to drop a boatload of insider info with a heavy dose of Doom & Gloom. Every time, you'd think the company was going to collapse, the parks were going to be sold, etc. Never happens.

Why do all the insiders always show up at the same time? Why do they all have a very similar style of posting and communicating?

Option B: Often, the "insider info" is just the collective news, rumors, and opinions already known and expressed throughout the online community, only wrapped up and written in a way that implies official-ness. As in, anyone who pays close enough attention could reasonably write something up that sounds like insider info leak.

Things to consider before blindly trusting threads like this and panicking.
I wasn’t on this forum then...

But I have to say I am still surprised that had to be “exposed”

Nobody is better at data collection/manipulation than Disney...since the pre-computer age...

So was it not always reasonable to think they’d mole, misdirect, data mine on the internet?

So much bang for their buck.

I can think of two phenomena:
1. People saying they’d pay no matter what...and low and behold prices go up all the damn time (consumer malfeasance)
2. Floating things that will never be - like country pavilions and new parks - which drives interest and sells more trips in the interim. Free, targeted advertising.
 

JUFL2019

Well-Known Member
Skip the reading, just post. :D

You haven't missed any park discussions of substance. Just more riffing on the "is the virus serious or not." Wrapped in a bit of," Disney will bounce back just fine." "No they won't." The longer you wait to post something new, the longer the rest of us have to deal with nonsense, and it will be another 20 pages.


Don't forget at least 10 pages of "The Film Industry is Open" "No It's NOT!" back and forth. (IF you are wondering, it isn't really)
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
I wasn’t on this forum then...

But I have to say I am still surprised that had to be “exposed”

Nobody is better at data collection/manipulation than Disney...since the pre-computer age...

So was it not always reasonable to think they’d mole, misdirect, data mine on the internet?

So much bang for their buck.

I can think of two phenomena:
1. People saying they’d pay no matter what...and low and behold prices go up all the damn time (consumer malfeasance)
2. Floating things that will never be - like country pavilions and new parks - which drives interest and sells more trips in the interim. Free, targeted advertising.
The expose in question was suggesting more than just gathering data on public opinions and habits, but rather the act of directly leaking info and data that makes the company look bad, as a way to hurt consumer confidence to influence changes internally. This would be a somewhat unique practice, as most companies couldn't afford to intentionally hurt their public perception and expect favorable outcomes from it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The expose in question was suggesting more than just gathering data on public opinions and habits, but rather the act of directly leaking info and data that makes the company look bad, as a way to hurt consumer confidence to influence changes internally. This would be a somewhat unique practice, as most companies couldn't afford to intentionally hurt their public perception and expect favorable outcomes from it.
I could see that too...

There was always a significant “romanticism segment” within the offices under the last two regimes...

Those that work for a corporate behemoth that say it ain’t so and at heart it’s about “magic”

They are wrong - of course.

And it was bad during the “Disney war” years...I would think it’s more muted, but more intense under Blue Ocean Bob
 
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_caleb

Well-Known Member
not too long ago there was that big expose that leaked on here that shook the community
Oh, I’m very familiar with that thread. Occasionally, I post something asking how/why everything would go back to normal around here after that. Still haven’t heard a very satisfying answer.

It’s the common voice/tone that makes me think several members posting here are just characters being played.
I know, someone is going to post “Disney doesn’t care what’s being posted on a fan site like this!” But I think they do. Content flows pretty wide through social media, and this site is one of the sources.

Which come back to this:

So much bang for their buck.

Whether your motives are to shape public perception, influence consumer behavior, or affect political ideologies, it would be very efficient and effective to have couple people posting here as “Insiders.”
 

Chef Mickey

Well-Known Member
So you are saying if I am under 80 its ok to get the virus and transmit it to other people, just make sure they are under 80??? so, choose to go to crowds and get infected and then just choose to NEVER see your parents, or family members that have asthma or are high risk? Not sure I understand the mentality, and if wearing a mask allows more freedom of movement, why not wear one, I am so confused my peoples mentality on this, its science, not opinion
No, I didn’t say that.

I ALWAYS wear a mask, despite people WELL over 60 constantly refusing to do so.
 

sfbntpc

Member
Im out of whisky BUT NoVa cases are spiking where I am so Imma make do with Tequila.
Love seeing a fellow Virginian on here. I’m in the Hampton Roads area. I thought NoVa was stable. Busch Gardens is looking to open in August. They have had a couple changes on their website that looks like some type of reservation system. No word about Water County yet (we have 2-park passes)
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Oh, I’m very familiar with that thread. Occasionally, I post something asking how/why everything would go back to normal around here after that. Still haven’t heard a very satisfying answer.

It’s the common voice/tone that makes me think several members posting here are just characters being played.
I know, someone is going to post “Disney doesn’t care what’s being posted on a fan site like this!” But I think they do. Content flows pretty wide through social media, and this site is one of the sources.

Absolutely. For example, this site is THE source as to why every low-informed Disney Park fan thinks that Expedition Everest has to be partially dismantled to get the yeti out or do extensive work on it.
 

bpiper

Well-Known Member
Location, Location, Location.

California Adventure is just south of Los Angeles, California. Magic Kingdom is in Orlando, Florida.

Cedar Point is in Sandusky, Ohio.
Also, Cedar Point is open daily only from early May until early September. After that its just weekends thru Halloween. You can't compare that with So Cal.
 

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