On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

disneygeek90

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Here’s the difference: You don’t have to wear a damn mask when you go to a waterpark. The masks are the single most annoying thing that people absolutely hate for their vacations. If you get rid of the mask requirements when you are outside, everyone will come back fairly quickly. That’s why the national parks are doing such amazing numbers this year. That’s why water parks are doing well. No masks when outside.
That’s a cool idea in theory but not when the state is recording 10k a day. Masks really aren’t all that bad, and I’ve gotten used to it quickly.
 

pheneix

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Here’s the difference: You don’t have to wear a damn mask when you go to a waterpark. The masks are the single most annoying thing that people absolutely hate for their vacations. If you get rid of the mask requirements when you are outside, everyone will come back fairly quickly. That’s why the national parks are doing such amazing numbers this year. That’s why water parks are doing well. No masks when outside.

Makes a lot of sense. Las Vegas has same ****. Gov. Sisolak had to lay the law down on masks in casinos. Before, one could tell by social media who was enforcing the rules and who wasn't. Lots of social media posts from Cosmopolitan and MGM Grand. Not much at all from Wynn or Venetian.
 

TheVisionarySoul

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That’s a cool idea in theory but not when the state is recording 10k a day. Masks really aren’t all that bad, and I’ve gotten used to it quickly.
Doesn’t matter if you’re comfortable wearing a mask. That’s why people aren’t coming to the theme parks. There’s this idea that COVID dies when outside in the sunlight. If you go inside a building, fine, ya can all wear a mask. But outside? That logic doesn’t make sense to people; especially in the sun when it’s hot and humid out. Not saying I agree with that logic at all, but that’s the reality of the situation and what people think. And why they are going to the places outside that don’t require you to wear a mask.
 

tirian

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@pheneix Good to see you again. Prepare to be bombarded by self-imagined experts who joined over the last few years and demand you accept their opinions as facts. You know, standard Internet stuff. ;) But it used to be less common on these boards. :(

It sounds like everything I’ve heard about layoffs is true. Do you think this will result in a stronger or weaker company overall? I’m so disappointed in the GMR/MRR, Splash, and Epcot decisions that I think a restructure depends on who ends up calling the shots.
 

mkt

Maleante Izquierdozo
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Well, that’s murica for ya.

Murica needs to change.

Statistically, yes. Enough of WDP&R management is total garbage that simply removing their ranks will produce better outcomes. Disney has some of the dumbest True Believers in the industry. Its no wonder they are so hapless in a time of crisis.

They throw out the best and brightest, but keep the trash.
 

PhotoDave219

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I don’t talk to anyone inside anymore. Those days passed when I moved back to Virginia.

But as someone who has watched this company since 2003?

No. None of this is good. The ripple effects through the industry as well as the entire Florida economy letalone the local economy will be huge and possibly devastating. Halloween is cancelled and Christmas will be soon. The parks are ghost towns (which is good in a sense in that less people, less risk of spreading the plague.) It’s going to kill all the secondary and tertiary jobs and businesses that depend on the theme parks. I-Drive? 192? Universal Blvd? All these places are screwed. This doesn’t even get into the housing market as people aren’t going to be able to afford rent. Evictions and foreclosures will happen.

Then there’s less tax money coming into Florida. Remember, they have no income tax. Sales tax and to a certain extent, tax revenue from tourist dollars pays for everything in Florida. Everything that relayed on State money? Screwed beyond belief.

You have Google setting up to have everyone work from home until Mid-2021. This is not going to end anytime soon. People aren’t going to spend several thousand dollars to Go on vacation to the current epicenter of a global pandemic.
 

mkt

Maleante Izquierdozo
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@pheneix Good to see you again. Prepare to be bombarded by self-imagined experts who joined over the last few years and demand you accept their opinions as facts. You know, standard Internet stuff. ;) But it used to be less common on these boards. :(

It sounds like everything I’ve heard about layoffs is true. Do you think this will result in a stronger or weaker company overall? I’m so disappointed in the GMR/MRR, Splash, and Epcot decisions that I think a restructure depends on who ends up calling the shots.

That's the problem with influencer culture. When influencers go quiet, their influence fades. So they have to keep posting and posting, occasionally misinformation to keep relevant.

Meanwhile, those of us who moved on with our lives (the OG influencers, before being an influencer was a thing), still kept developing relationships and friendships with those in positions of knowledge.

A few years ago, while a well known influencer waited in line, I was having drinks with a legal VP for the company, getting delicious gossip that I chose not to leak.
 

mkt

Maleante Izquierdozo
Premium Member
Then there’s less tax money coming into Florida. Remember, they have no income tax. Sales tax and to a certain extent, tax revenue from tourist dollars pays for everything in Florida. Everything that relayed on State money? Screwed beyond belief.

That's why I truly believe that unless a vaccine comes out early next year, Orlando's gonna be Detroited.

My wife and I are already looking at permanently leaving the sunshine state for a less volatile locale.
 

disneygeek90

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Doesn’t matter if you’re comfortable wearing a mask. That’s why people aren’t coming to the theme parks. There’s this idea that COVID dies when outside in the sunlight. If you go inside a building, fine, ya can all wear a mask. But outside? That logic doesn’t make sense to people; especially in the sun when it’s hot and humid out. Not saying I agree with that logic at all, but that’s the reality of the situation and what people think. And why they are going to the places outside that don’t require you to wear a mask.
Florida only has themselves to blame honestly. No masks while outside is realistic when cases are under control. Unfortunately the PR would be a nightmare if Disney lifted outside enforcement in the current environment.
 

TheVisionarySoul

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Florida only has themselves to blame honestly. No masks while outside is realistic when cases are under control. Unfortunately the PR would be a nightmare if Disney lifted outside enforcement in the current environment.
There’s no science to support that at all. In fact, the science says that you’re highly unlikely to get COVID while outside, mask or not, if you’re distancing enough. You’re also highly unlikely to get it with touching a surface. I agree that it would be a PR nightmare to remove the mask requirement now, but I do fully expect the mask requirements to be reduced in early November. As far as Florida’s cases, they’re mostly coming from nursing homes and dense cities like Miami. Orlando is basically the opposite of dense. It’s a city that is spread out like mad, with a capacity of at least 4 times the size of the actual population. Everyone is distanced in Orlando and there’s plenty of room for it right now.
 

PhotoDave219

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Doesn’t matter if you’re comfortable wearing a mask. That’s why people aren’t coming to the theme parks. There’s this idea that COVID dies when outside in the sunlight. If you go inside a building, fine, ya can all wear a mask. But outside? That logic doesn’t make sense to people; especially in the sun when it’s hot and humid out. Not saying I agree with that logic at all, but that’s the reality of the situation and what people think. And why they are going to the places outside that don’t require you to wear a mask.

That logic will solve itself on a long enough timeline.
 

pheneix

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@pheneix Good to see you again. Prepare to be bombarded by self-imagined experts who joined over the last few years and demand you accept their opinions as facts. You know, standard Internet stuff. ;) But it used to be less common on these boards. :(

It sounds like everything I’ve heard about layoffs is true. Do you think this will result in a stronger or weaker company overall? I’m so disappointed in the GMR/MRR, Splash, and Epcot decisions that I think a restructure depends on who ends up calling the shots.

Likewise it is wonderful to see so many old school names dropping in.

Not wanting to read a bombardment of dumb people to get to the good ones is why I kept hesitating to post. Not because I care about them. But because it takes time to mute/block/troll whoever is in the way of the good stuff. Still, I'm here. Let's see what they got.

You can't layoff enough people in WDI. The place needs to be shut down and padlocked. Then after a period of time, you bring it back to life. With new people, with new dreams. And without this tired bunch of talentless hacks.


On Splash Mt... I don't think its ever gonna happen. Maybe in Anaheim. But the company is broke. Their financial situation is gravely serious and some heartbreaking change is ahead for Disney. Yet Bob Iger makes the call that "something has to be done" to monetize the current political climate. So we get this project. I should add that some of the stuff pitched is elaborate as hell. Ride flume rerouting. Concrete removal. New sets. New AAs. But its all concept with no clear runway to reality. They don't even plan on closing the ride until 2022. The project itself is on like a three year timetable. Basically an excuse to keep all "the right people" employed while everything else is vaporized.
 
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pheneix

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I know there's probably some overlap with my posts and that of WDWPro, whom I find to be an excellent read. IMO, this is a person who is "legit" and they are posting good info. Don't take anything I post as some attempt to steal spotlight off their content.
 

Touchdown

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Disney needs high income people to come to WDW to turn a profit. The problem is a lot of them are international, and the stateside people are “educated elites” and are scared to go for fear of virus and/or losing their jobs due to post vacation quarantine. People can shout until their blue in the face that it’s safe inside the bubble, but a lot of people disagree. I’m nearly ready to pull the plug on my October trip, today I canceled my Universal Trips in October (no HHN) and December (my WDW AP is still good, no need to buy another one.)

Covid needs to be under control, and the price has to make sense. Either get entertainment up and keep prices steady or start discounting the value is just not there currently.
 

mkt

Maleante Izquierdozo
Premium Member
Disney needs high income people to come to WDW to turn a profit. The problem is a lot of them are international, and the stateside people are “educated elites”

That's us, and we're likely letting our AP's lapse (or cancel them if we can ever get Disney to answer the phone).

I’m nearly ready to pull the plug on my October trip, today I canceled my Universal Trips in October (no HHN) and December (my WDW AP is still good, no need to buy another one.)

We've canceled our summer scandinavia/UK trip, and a few weekend Caribbean trips already.

Either get entertainment up and keep prices steady or start discounting the value is just not there currently.

Keeping with my Detroit mindset today, Disney can do that, but they need to be careful to not erode the perceived value of their parks by discounting them too much. Otherwise, we have a situation like where no one will pay MSRP for an American car because they're uses to having every possible discount thrown at them.
 
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