Oh how I wish we could be in the days of Walt's Disneyland

[SuddenStorm]

Compared to CS, it was. And a good idea can be executed rather badly.

Incredicoaster was a bad idea with even worse execution. It's what you get when the merchandise department is calling the shots.

 

[Miru]

Incredicoaster was a bad idea with even worse execution. It's what you get when the merchandise department is calling the shots.

... well, adding an original story or even razing CS to build something completely new might have been better, but they made do with what they had, for better or for worse.

 

[Darkbeer1]

A classic Seaside Roller Coaster has NO IP overlay. It was perfectly fine without the Chase The Baby Overlay.

I can't tell you how disappointed I was with the "Theme" Buildings and the Baby stuff throughout the coaster.

 

[Tegan pilots a chicken]

I wasn’t even born for nearly two decades after, but I would LOVE to be able to experience TL67. I’m absolutely fascinated by that specific land in that specific incarnation.

 

[VJ]

Honestly, I wonder how long Walt's Disneyland would have last even if he lived longer. It was obvious that his attention was on EPCOT, and he sort of moved on from being personally invested as he did from cartoons, Mickey Mouse and live-action films. Realistically, I think Walt would have been less involved in Disneyland had he lived longer.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

Honestly, I wonder how long Walt's Disneyland would have last even if he lived longer. It was obvious that his attention was on EPCOT, and he sort of moved on from being personally invested as he did from cartoons, Mickey Mouse and live-action films. Realistically, I think Walt would have been less involved in Disneyland had he lived longer.

He was totally still invested in Disneyland. They were still working on a brand new E TICKET at the time of his death, maybe you heard of it- THE HAUNTED MANSION. Don't know where you get this notion he was not interested in Disneyland anymore since they had recently opened NEW ORLEANS SQUARE and he worked heavily on PIRATES and rumor is he rode the actual nearly completed PIRATES before his death.

 

[PiratesMansion]

He was totally still invested in Disneyland. They were still working on a brand new E TICKET at the time of his death, maybe you heard of it- THE HAUNTED MANSION. Don't know where you get this notion he was not interested in Disneyland anymore since they had recently opened NEW ORLEANS SQUARE and he worked heavily on PIRATES and rumor is he rode the actual nearly completed PIRATES before his death.

Walt becoming disinterested in Disneyland was probably inevitable.

It happened with virtually everything he did, and that's just how Walt was, always looking for the next thing. He was very passionate about shorts, until suddenly feature animation called. He was extraordinarily invested in that until he had television and Disneyland to shower his attention upon. The films got less and less attention (barring an occasional Mary Poppins). Even before he died, the features got less ambitious, less impressive, than those from when the films received the bulk of his attention.

If you read or listen to anything about the end of Walt's life, they speak largely of his passion for some combination of Epcot, the Florida Project as a whole (but pointedly NOT Magic Kingdom), and CalArts. They do NOT discuss Walt agonizing about what to do with Disneyland any longer. Was he more involved and interested with the park than with features? Certainly. Was it his peak level of enthusiasm? No.

And though it is my favorite attraction, I don't know that the Haunted Mansion can really be used as proof of his passion for Disneyland when in reality the final product was a result of many, many compromises-compromises made necessary because there was no definitive agreement about the direction of the attraction before he passed.

 

[Californian Elitist]

He was totally still invested in Disneyland. They were still working on a brand new E TICKET at the time of his death, maybe you heard of it- THE HAUNTED MANSION. Don't know where you get this notion he was not interested in Disneyland anymore since they had recently opened NEW ORLEANS SQUARE and he worked heavily on PIRATES and rumor is he rode the actual nearly completed PIRATES before his death.

VJ didn’t claim Walt was no longer interested in Disneyland when he passed. They claimed his interest would have waned over time, which is most likely true. When he passed, Disneyland was over a decade old. Walt became more interested in other projects during that time. It is well-known that he liked to move on to other things.

Had he lived, I think it’s safe to say his focus would not have been Disneyland, but EPCOT (his version never happened).

 

[SuddenStorm]

Even with a disinterested Walt, I imagine Disneyland would have looked very different had he lived through the 70s.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

VJ didn’t claim Walt was no longer interested in Disneyland when he passed. They claimed his interest would have waned over time, which is most likely true. When he passed, Disneyland was over a decade old. Walt became more interested in other projects during that time. It is well-known that he liked to move on to other things.

Had he lived, I think it’s safe to say his focus would not have been Disneyland, but EPCOT (his version never happened).

I respectfully disagree mainly due to the opening of NEW ORLEANS SQUARE and PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN and the work being done on HAUNTED MANSION at the time of his death. I think he would have continued to add original attractions and expansions to his original park. We were robbed more timeless classics due to his untimely death that would rank up there with PIRATES and MASNION. I regret he did not live to make more classic attractions.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

I don't know that the Haunted Mansion can really be used as proof of his passion for Disneyland when in reality the final product was a result of many, many compromises-compromises made necessary because there was no definitive agreement about the direction of the attraction before he passed.

It can because he greenlit the thing and it was always his intention to have a haunted house attraction in the park. You don't do that if you are losing interest in your park. You don't open NEW ORLEANS SQUARE with the detail and beauty it has if you are not interested in your park. You don't work heavily on PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN if you have waning interest in your park. Seems to me he was as passionate as ever and would have added more to the park had he lived.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I respectfully disagree mainly due to the opening of NEW ORLEANS SQUARE and PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN and the work being done on HAUNTED MANSION at the time of his death. I think he would have continued to add original attractions and expansions to his original park. We were robbed more timeless classics due to his untimely death that would rank up there with PIRATES and MASNION. I regret he did not live to make more classic attractions.

I'm NOT SAYING he wouldn't have ADDED MORE attractions to the park. The openings of NEW ORLEANS SQUARE and PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN don't mean Walt Disney wasn't more interested in other things, which IS MY AND OTHER'S POINT. Same with HAUNTED MANSION.

Had he lived TO BE THERE FOR THE CREATION OF EPCOT, Disneyland would most LIKELY NOT have been PRIORITY.

 

[VJ]

Walt becoming disinterested in Disneyland was probably inevitable.

It happened with virtually everything he did, and that's just how Walt was, always looking for the next thing. He was very passionate about shorts, until suddenly feature animation called. He was extraordinarily invested in that until he had television and Disneyland to shower his attention upon. The films got less and less attention (barring an occasional Mary Poppins). Even before he died, the features got less ambitious, less impressive, than those from when the films received the bulk of his attention.

If you read or listen to anything about the end of Walt's life, they speak largely of his passion for some combination of Epcot, the Florida Project as a whole (but pointedly NOT Magic Kingdom), and CalArts. They do NOT discuss Walt agonizing about what to do with Disneyland any longer. Was he more involved and interested with the park than with features? Certainly. Was it his peak level of enthusiasm? No.

And though it is my favorite attraction, I don't know that the Haunted Mansion can really be used as proof of his passion for Disneyland when in reality the final product was a result of many, many compromises-compromises made necessary because there was no definitive agreement about the direction of the attraction before he passed.

VJ didn’t claim Walt was no longer interested in Disneyland when he passed. They claimed his interest would have waned over time, which is most likely true. When he passed, Disneyland was over a decade old. Walt became more interested in other projects during that time. It is well-known that he liked to move on to other things.

Had he lived, I think it’s safe to say his focus would not have been Disneyland, but EPCOT (his version never happened).

Exactly my point. Also, it should be stated that just because Disneyland had attractions added to it that Walt was involved in doesn't mean that Walt would have been personally invested. He oversaw pretty much everything the company did, but there were few projects that had his complete attention. That's what Imagineers like Yale Gracey, X Atencio and Rolly Crump were for; and, indeed, much if not all of The Haunted Mansion as it stands today resulted from the Imagineers' ideas. Walt was there to just keep the whole thing running smoothly, and that's how it went with most other attractions created for Disneyland.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

I'm NOT SAYING he wouldn't have ADDED MORE attractions to the park. The openings of NEW ORLEANS SQUARE and PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN don't mean Walt Disney wasn't more interested in other things, which IS MY AND OTHER'S POINT. Same with HAUNTED MANSION.

Had he lived TO BE THERE FOR THE CREATION OF EPCOT, Disneyland would most LIKELY NOT have been PRIORITY.

We agree to disagree. You can't turn your back on your one true love. You always come back to her.

 

[PiratesMansion]

It can because he greenlit the thing and it was always his intention to have a haunted house attraction in the park. You don't do that if you are losing interest in your park. You don't open NEW ORLEANS SQUARE with the detail and beauty it has if you are not interested in your park. You don't work heavily on PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN if you have waning interest in your park. Seems to me he was as passionate as ever and would have added more to the park had he lived.

You speak as if he was the only person involved. Walt was the final say, but each attraction and area was the work of dozens and dozens of talented people who were more than capable of creating quality work without his direct supervision (see also Magic Kingdom, EPCOT Center, and Tokyo Disneyland). It's not like Disneyland would have automatically and instantly become Coney Island if Walt Disney wasn't giving it his 100% full attention.

He greenlit Alice and Sleeping Beauty too, but it's safe to say he regretted greenlighting both of those projects by the time they were completed. Greenlighting something is hardly an indication of passion, or that the passion will last until the project is done. If greenlighting something demonstrated passion, there wouldn't be so many stories of movie and TV executives neglecting, mishandling, or misunderstanding their own projects that they bought and paid for.

 

[Californian Elitist]

We agree to disagree. You can't turn your back on your one true love. You always come back to her.

????? Save the dramatics, maybe?

Seems you don't understand the point.

Disneyland is not only the first Disney park, but it's literally the only Disney park with direct ties to Walt Disney, including creation, design, construction, implementation, completion, and evolution. No other park has those bragging rights. Disneyland will always have that special fact going for itself. But let's be real here...

Agree to disagree.

 

[VJ]

You speak as if he was the only person involved. Walt was the final say, but each attraction and area was the work of dozens and dozens of talented people who were more than capable of creating quality work without his direct supervision (see also Magic Kingdom, EPCOT Center, and Tokyo Disneyland). It's not like Disneyland would have automatically and instantly become Coney Island if Walt Disney wasn't giving it his 100% full attention.

He greenlit Alice and Sleeping Beauty too, but it's safe to say he regretted greenlighting both of those projects by the time they were completed. Greenlighting something is hardly an indication of passion, or that the passion will last until the project is done. If greenlighting something demonstrated passion, there wouldn't be so many stories of movie and TV executives neglecting, mishandling, or misunderstanding their own projects that they bought and paid for.

I like you. You're my kind of people.

 

[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

????? Save the dramatics, maybe?

Seems you don't understand the point.

Disneyland is not only the first Disney park, but it's literally the only Disney park with direct ties to Walt Disney, including creation, design, construction, implementation, completion, and beyond completion. No other park has those bragging rights. Disneyland will always have that special fact going for itself. But let's be real here...

Agree to disagree.

I get your point totally. I understand your point of view. I just repsectfully disagree that while he may have focused more on Disney World that Disneyland would not get equal or more attention. No one will ever know for sure since he is gone. Which makes Disneyland so more magical than any other park. You can still feel Walt to this day despite all the project star dust and star was towns, and curbs they remove and falcon ramps you can't walk on. Every time I go to Disneyland, I fall more in love with it. I can't wait to take my girlfriend next year to her first ever visit to the park.

 

[Toad hall 25]

Incredicoaster was a bad idea with even worse execution. It's what you get when the merchandise department is calling the shots.

The build up to the big dip was full of suspense now there is a baby and Mr incredible distracting you from some of that.

 

[J4546]

disneyland is better than ever imo and right now i feel like we are experiencing one of the biggest periods of park growth ever. Covid really screwed things up but still, I mean look at the last 2 years + the next 2 years and see whats been/going to be done. A lot of it is being done overseas but we still get a ton here

Disneyland has gotten a huge new star wars expansion, major refurbs on snow white and haunted mansion as well as pathways in park and is also getting mickey and minnies runaway railroad in toontown. thats 3 major rides added in combined 4 years. And Im sure in a couple years they will announce the rumored major tomorrowland refurb plans.

CA is getting a new marvel land with new ride and food and stuff. some people dont like it, I think its gonna be a great addition with room to add another major ride. and theres still rumors of a major expansion on the hollywood backlot area if they build that eastern parking structure which was cancelled but could still end up happening

MK is getting new Tron Coaster and new Grand floridian walkway/docks and castle refurb

Disney Studios FL got new star wars and toy story lands, cars ride, mickey and minnies runaway railroad and is getting new toy story restauraunt soon. that 3 major rides added in the last couple years. Oh and that major star wars hotel thing that probably costs 100 million dollars to build

Epcot has major construction going on with GatG coaster, France Pavillion expansion with rattatioue, space 220, play pavillion and moana/center spine refurb as well as Harmonius show. I mean, epcot is a mess right now but its getting a major facelift.

AK hasnt gotten much new in the last 2 years but they did get Avatar expansion 4 years ago, hopefully something cool is announced for AK and next d23

Florida is also building that skyliner aerial tram which so far connects 2 of the parks as well as many resort refurbs/new construction oh and all the FL parks have gotten new entrances


Disney Studios Paris is getting a major 2.5 billion dollar expansion revamp with new marvel land, lake, cars ride, frozen land and star wars land

Disneyland Paris doesnt have much coming up that im aware of.

Shanghai is getting an exclusive and massive zootopia land

Hong Kong gets new castle, marvel and frozen land expansions

Tokyo DL just got a new BatB expansion with major ride plus shops and food

Tokyo DisneySea is getting a 2.7 billion dollar major expansion with frozen, tangled and peter pan land as well as hotel.


seems like things are pretty good for disney park fans imo