Disneyhead'71
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Very few high schoolers that live here in Orlando will admit to being a fan of WDW.
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Oh Disney World... What Happened to you?
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21stamps
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I don't consider anyone competition to WDW. I look at an overall vacation experience, and what I want out of it. I definitely don't compare WDW and Universal, they are two very different experiences.
We're doing a DCL cruise in a few months, then doing a NCL cruise 6 months later. Both have advantages and fit what I'm looking for.
I love Disney, always have. I appreciate what WDW was for me growing up, Disney movies, the Mickey Mouse club etc. now I enjoy seeing the world of Disney through my child's eyes. Life changes, things change, places change. We can spend our time and energy looking back and wishing things were the same. But who has energy for that? I sure don't.
At the end of the day, I think a child's "magic" trumps mine. If Frozen and Star Wars are what kids like now, then I'm glad Disney is accommodating them. Now this generation is on their way to a new Disney nostalgia, and will again pass the baton.
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Except for Pete's Dragon. I'm furious about the remake.. Even though we have tickets to see it Friday.lol. I just watched the original with my kid (was one of my childhood favorites). He liked it, I'm sure he will like the new one too.. And he isn't burdened by the same automatic negativity that I am. I have promised myself to keep an open mind though.
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RobidaFlats
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Therein lies the root of it. Walt didn't believe that letting children have fun while the adults watched was good enough. Everyone was supposed to have fun together.
I have said nothing about Star Wars, Frozen or any of it. I am merely stating that the argument in favor of letting a child's opinion be the ultimate judge of WDW is inconsistent with the very concept of what Walt wanted to create.
Matt_Black
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And it was very nuanced. Lot of movies that tackle that issue do so with all the grace of a brick to the foot.
21stamps
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That's just a difference in ideas of "fun" then. Watching my child's eyes light up, riding space mountain with him, watching wishes together, seeing his excitement when a character comes to our table at a meal, or running through Casey Junior's Splash & Soak, getting soaked together.. This is all extremely "fun" and magical to me as well
.My absolute favorite photo, out of more than 500, was at Ohana, but not with Stitch. The photo pass photog caught a photo of my son hugging his own Stitch stuffed animal..right after the "real" Stitch had hugged it. This may sound lame, but the way my kid lit up and was over the moon at something so simple, reinforces (to me) why WDW is such a magical place. That moment was one of the highlights of our trip. This is the epitome of my idea of "fun".
Kylo Ken
Local Idiot
Call me a pixie duster or what you may, but I still love Disney, even with it's noticeable flaws. My first visit was in 1990. Obviously it has changed, for better or worse depending on who you ask. But the magic is still there for my family and me. Yes I can rant and cry about the Disney of old and how they're wrecking "my parks," but I try and make the best of it. What people tend to forget is that everyone's experience may vary. Some posters on this site act as if Disney is a cesspool. Sure I've had less than stellar experiences with CMs, dining options etc., but by the same token, I've had outstanding ones as well. Why are you a pixie duster if you share the positive side of things? Why does it always have to be doom and gloom?
My family and I still love going at the very least once a month. It doesn't get old for us. Will it for my kids one day? Maybe. Only time will tell. Personally, I've always loved Disney and their parks. I never got sick of them even when I reached the "Universal" age. To this day, I still enjoy rides like Peter Pan's Flight even with it's horrible sound and low capacity. I still enjoy the Main Street Electrical Parade even though it's older than I am. Yes, in another thread I posted that FEA was the most overrated ride at Disney, but I still enjoyed it. I am optimistic about the future with Disney with all of this expansion. I will still go and enjoy the parks as is and as will be in the future. But I guess that's what makes me a crop duster or whatever everyone calls it right?
My family and I still love going at the very least once a month. It doesn't get old for us. Will it for my kids one day? Maybe. Only time will tell. Personally, I've always loved Disney and their parks. I never got sick of them even when I reached the "Universal" age. To this day, I still enjoy rides like Peter Pan's Flight even with it's horrible sound and low capacity. I still enjoy the Main Street Electrical Parade even though it's older than I am. Yes, in another thread I posted that FEA was the most overrated ride at Disney, but I still enjoyed it. I am optimistic about the future with Disney with all of this expansion. I will still go and enjoy the parks as is and as will be in the future. But I guess that's what makes me a crop duster or whatever everyone calls it right?
Minnesota disney fan
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That's just a difference in ideas of "fun" then. Watching my child's eyes light up, riding space mountain with him, watching wishes together, seeing his excitement when a character comes to our table at a meal, or running through Casey Junior's Splash & Soak, getting soaked together.. This is all extremely "fun" and magical to me as well
My absolute favorite photo, out of more than 500, was at Ohana, but not with Stitch. The photo pass photog caught a photo of my son hugging his own Stitch stuffed animal..right after the "real" Stitch had hugged it. This may sound lame, but the way my kid lit up and was over the moon at something so simple, reinforces (to me) why WDW is such a magical place. That moment was one of the highlights of our trip. This is the epitome of my idea of "fun". View attachment 155334
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That's just a difference in ideas of "fun" then. Watching my child's eyes light up, riding space mountain with him, watching wishes together, seeing his excitement when a character comes to our table at a meal, or running through Casey Junior's Splash & Soak, getting soaked together.. This is all extremely "fun" and magical to me as well
My absolute favorite photo, out of more than 500, was at Ohana, but not with Stitch. The photo pass photog caught a photo of my son hugging his own Stitch stuffed animal..right after the "real" Stitch had hugged it. This may sound lame, but the way my kid lit up and was over the moon at something so simple, reinforces (to me) why WDW is such a magical place. That moment was one of the highlights of our trip. This is the epitome of my idea of "fun". View attachment 155334
ah, thanks for sharing that special picture with the "real" Disney magic
Gutterbuddy
Member
Call me a pixie duster or what you may, but I still love Disney, even with it's noticeable flaws. My first visit was in 1990. Obviously it has changed, for better or worse depending on who you ask. But the magic is still there for my family and me. Yes I can rant and cry about the Disney of old and how they're wrecking "my parks," but I try and make the best of it. What people tend to forget is that everyone's experience may vary. Some posters on this site act as if Disney is a cesspool. Sure I've had less than stellar experiences with CMs, dining options etc., but by the same token, I've had outstanding ones as well. Why are you a pixie duster if you share the positive side of things? Why does it always have to be doom and gloom?
My family and I still love going at the very least once a month. It doesn't get old for us. Will it for my kids one day? Maybe. Only time will tell. Personally, I've always loved Disney and their parks. I never got sick of them even when I reached the "Universal" age. To this day, I still enjoy rides like Peter Pan's Flight even with it's horrible sound and low capacity. I still enjoy the Main Street Electrical Parade even though it's older than I am. Yes, in another thread I posted that FEA was the most overrated ride at Disney, but I still enjoyed it. I am optimistic about the future with Disney with all of this expansion. I will still go and enjoy the parks as is and as will be in the future. But I guess that's what makes me a crop duster or whatever everyone calls it right?
Holy cow... At least once a month! Granted we live in Midwest, but we feel lucky to make it once every two years!
LongLiveTheKing
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I've never seen the original but I SERIOUSLY doubt it's as awful as the Robocop or Ghostbusters remakes. At least that can be your silver lining
Kylo Ken
Local Idiot
Haha I can relate since I'm originally from New Jersey. I try to fully take advantage of my AP now that I live 2.5 hours away. Not a bad ride up to the Orlando area if I do say so myself.
I don't think you should judge the individual rides that way. Its impossible to make something an infant to 5 years old will enjoy as well as a 17 year old kid and then adults. I think you need to judge a park based on the sum of its parts. Magic kingdom has a lot of young kid rides but has splash , space , big mountain , 7 dwarfs for teens and up as well as rides like pirates monster inc and so on that would appeal to adults and kids. I think the biggest problem with epcot and Hollywood is the lack of rides. That is what they are trying to fix.
Yes I didn't care for frozen , i'm grown man and got tired of let it go the 2nd time my niece sang it , but I also don't care about the Norway ride which was run down and tired a decade ago let alone last year. If we want the parks to grow and attract new people we have to let some things go. Norway ride or Space ship earth ? Norway gets replaced every day in my book. Heck almost every ride in epcot will win over the Norway ride. You know what if world of energy goes I'm fine with gotg going there because that is another ride that has stayed to long and needs replacing and we already have a dino themed ride that is great over at animal kingdom
I used to love the history channel back before it was the ww2 channel and then pawn shop and American pickers. But that's beside the point. The ride was out dated and needed major work a decade ago . Epcot as a whole needs the most amount of work out of any of the parks. There are a hand full of attractions and the majority of them need complete over hauls.
I love figment , I love him , I have a mouse pad , the stuffed animal , an atenna topper and the pillow pet thing they make and i'm 34 year old man. But you know what , replace that ride. That ride is horrible , it was bad when they put it in and it has not aged well at all. While we are talking about that , put something else where honey I shrunk the kids was . Either a ride or a new type of movie. That pavilion is dead if you need too gut the whole thing and rebuild or just tear it down and rebuild. Put 2 rides over there at least along with a nice restaurant .
The land is fine , It has a decent quick service and a sit down. It has the lion king movie along with the land ride and of course soaring. No change there .
The seas pavilion is fine also it has Nemo and the crush show along with a restaurant and all the tanks to see.
Test track can stay but get ride of energy , put a brand new ride in there , get rid of the mars things. Perhaps put some VR experience in there. I've been doing some work with oculus rift and touch. You could do some convincing stuff there. Better yet call up MS to fund it and use HoloLens , they already have a great experience in conjunction with nasa that lets you walk around mars. The headsets are 3k a pop so the majority of guests wont experience it outside of Disney for years.
Boom epcot becomes a amazing park again. Esp if you can throw in something like the Tron coster . You still have the world pavilion but now you have a dozen or so refurbished + new rides that will bring people into the park just for those ride . You create more capacity + you remove some of the crowding in the world show case.
And that's another thing. I understand not wanting to compete with Disney land but I am sure the majority of people going to Disney land and World will never make it to China for shanghi so bring over some of those rides.
At the kingdom tear down tom sawyer and move pirates to the island and make it a nice big experience right now its the worse out of all the pirates. If there is room on the island build a second ride , heck pirates is big enough where you can do an expanded remake of the original and make a second experience and theme the island as if its a pirate island . Then you can fix the current pirate building and put in a new dark ride. Tommorow land needs some work. Buzz needs to go its really bad compared to toy story at Hollywood. Replace that with something new and replace stich also. I know there is talk about an expansion pad near space mountain so use it. Put in another adult ride. While we are talking MK do something about the auto speed way. It takes up a lot of room and I think it can be better spend. A cool alice in wonder land ride ala spider man at universal would be really cool and trippy... heck if there is enough room do a petes dragon type ride using something like soaring
Anyway that is my opinon and it would keep enough of the old school while expanding and increasing new experiances to keep people coming back
RobidaFlats
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Your assessment of applying the "fun together standard" (for lack of a better, more concise description) to the sum rather than individual parts is perfectly sound and I agree. I would submit that creating such a singular attraction is not exactly "impossible" though. It could be argued that managing to appeal to all ages effectively is what separates the truly great attractions from the merely good ones. Pirates, Horizons and Jungle Cruise, for example certainly delight(ed) all ages. Although do teens really count? For every one teenager that will actually admit to enjoying anything, there are three more who would roll there eyes at a real-life, fully functional time machine.
As for the second part about replacing things, that's outside the scope of my previous comments so I'll pass, haha.
Zipadeelady
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I totally agree. This is the moment that Disney won me over. Look at how happy my son is.
21stamps
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Love it! Moments like that are why we pay such crazy prices for Disney World, and somehow justify it as "worth it".
WDW isn't magical because of the intensity of their rides, there's parks all over the country who have great coasters. It's a combination of so many things, but the heart of it is a child's innocence and excitement...including the memories of our own childhoods. I'm not saying that Disney isn't a good time for adults, but I would hate to see it become an Islands of Adventure type place.
21stamps
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You had me until "tear down Tom Sawyer island".
Tony the Tigger
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Tony the Tigger
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It's easily a full day park for us (but we spend half the day at the Tune-In Lounge and the other half trying to find the exit LOL.)
Tony the Tigger
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I was in a focus group for eBay for over ten years. Initially, they were sincere, wanting to know what eBay users would think of pre-rollout ideas, and making tweaks before going public with them.
After still getting clobbered by the public anyway after each rollout, id devolved into more of a "Let's see what the most common complaints are so we can formulate a response to them before rollout" group. (And now it's over.)
21stamps
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I think it's more of an issue of me not wanting to admit that I'm old enough to have childhood movies remade already!!!!lolI've never seen the original but I SERIOUSLY doubt it's as awful as the Robocop or Ghostbusters remakes. At least that can be your silver lining
The Pete's Dragon thing has me totally confused though. From what I've read and the trailers that I've watched.. It's an entirely different movie. 2 characters remain- Pete and Elliot (the Dragon). Why not just use different names and have it be it's own movie? I just don't understand.
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