correcaminos
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I agree SW hotel will not have DVC rooms. I'm not sure I'd want to see the point chart if they did 
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Nw Resale Restrictions as of Jan 19th
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carolina_yankee
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I agree SW hotel will not have DVC rooms. I'm not sure I'd want to see the point chart if they did
Yep - no way it's a DVC resort. Just won't work for either model.
As for the theoretical point charts, the bungalows at PVB would look like a bargain, I'm sure!
Dirk
correcaminos
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WDWYankee15
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I agree with your statements. DVC point price will be the same for any new purchase. It is the direct DVC resales Disney does that get even higher price points. In fact, I bet DVC prices jump a ton this time next year. Once Star Wars is out and construction really gets hopping in preparation for the 50th...Look Out!!!
I think a key issue is that Disney has allowed smaller contract sales and now people are buying contracts at the new resorts but want to book at some of the original 14 as they have lower point per night points (ex AKL). You see this manifesting in the reallocating of points for studios vs 1 and 2 bedrooms starting in 2020. They sell to anyone and everyone. That is why there is a kiosk on each corner in the parks. DVC is guaranteed revenue. If you come stay in their hotels, you buy their tickets, merchandise, and food. DVC is not just for the "rich." Read the quote right from the DVC website.
"As a Member, you can save on accommodations for future Disney vacations, with Membership options to fit your family's travel style and budget."
correcaminos
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I'll be a bit cynical here... that's a BS line they try to feed you. They try to sell you on a monthly payment too just so you aren't seeing how much you are really paying. At 100 minimum new buy in, we're talking the price of a car for most people. That's a luxury item through and through. While you don't have to be stinking rich, you cannot be on the lower end of middle class either - maybe not even there depending on where you live.
Lowering the direct buy in to that 100 level (and sometimes lower) did cause a studio only issue for most. It also allowed a lower demographic to get in when they otherwise were not able to afford. Yes there was always resale but I don't think that many knew of it. I had a friend who bought in who had no clue until I told her.
Disney is about making money... they'll do what they can to sell.
DuckTalesWooHoo1987
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I think our original points at BLT in 2008 were like $112 a point if I'm not mistaken and then our second direct contract a year or so later was about that. Then a few months ago when we decided to buy a resale contract we talked to Disney first and the price for BLT is now almost $200 a point. That's a really high jump. So that's why we finally decided to just make our 3rd contract not be direct but resale because buying out of stock points from Disney is insanely high now. We've now got 400 points though and I feel like that's enough for us to always get the vacations we want and the amount of time we want and that's good enough for me. Then once the kids get grown and out of the nest we can maybe even go back to studios again and get even more trips in per year in our older age.
DisneyFans4Life
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I just saw this pop up on my news feed and it's quite interesting. It seems like this is a move to prevent or try to deter resale purchases. My wife and I have been planning to buy resale as soon as we have enough cash to buy outright, so I'm curious if resale is still the best way to go?? If Riviera is truly going to be a "moderate" then we all know using points at moderates is not a good use of points, so if we were to buy resale through Polynesian for example, we're still able to stay at any of the 14 original (GF, Beach Club, etc.), we just wouldn't be able to stay at Riviera or potentially any future DVC resorts??
CaptainAmerica
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Hoping this puts some downward pressure on resale prices. Animal Kingdom points were something like $80 not too long ago. I might be interested if we ever see prices like that again.
correcaminos
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Actually I am thinking it is a way to get people to still pay the increased DVC prices. A good portion of sold out will be above $200 now soon.
Riviera in no way though will be a 'moderate' DVC resort. It's too upscale looking for that in both drawings and ways it's been described.
But yes, buying resale of any of the original 14 will get you in any resort that is already out (legacy 14 is how I have seen and like it described). That said if you can get to (not through) ROFR by the 19th you're grandfathered in.
GoofGoof
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Thanks for posting the actual language here. I read this as if you buy direct from Disney (or are a current owner) you can trade into any of the resorts going forward. If you buy resale points from one of the original 14 resorts after 1/19/19 you will only be able to use the points at those 14 resorts with no trading into any future new resorts. I don’t see anything about Riviera resale only being used at Riviera. I would assume the same rules will apply going forward so after Riviera opens if you buy points there in the resale market you will not be able to trade into any new resorts that open after it but will still be able to use the points at the original 14 plus Riviera.not holding my breath, are you?
In the message/notification section on DVC's site for me today
Update to Disney Vacation Club Resort Access for Contracts Not Purchased Directly from Disney
Effective January 19, 2019, only Members who purchase directly from Disney will be able to use their Vacation Points at the 14 existing Disney Vacation Club Resorts or future Resorts—such as Disney’s Riviera Resort or Reflections – A Disney Lakeside Lodge. Resale contracts purchased for the existing 14 Disney Vacation Club Resorts will only be able to exchange Points into those 14 Resorts.
This change does not apply to contracts purchased prior to January 19, 2019. Contracts gifted to family members will continue to have the same Resort access as before the ownership transfer.
The eligibility rules for Membership Extras and RCI access remain unchanged.
The Buena Vista Trading Company Disclosure Guide has been amended accordingly.
This isn’t about Riviera having lower priced points. I am almost certain that won’t be the case. It’s about making buying direct a much larger advantage. When Riviera or the next project open at $200+ direct per point they want to avoid people buying resale under $100 and then just trading into the brand new resorts. This also probably has an eye towards the eventual run up to 2042 when the first DVC contracts start expiring and the resale market eventually goes to zero. I would certainly think this will drive down the resale prices now for the older resorts at least a little bit, which could lead to more RoFR and buybacks for Disney. They do have wait lists at some resorts now.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I wouldn’t hold out hope that Riviera will be moderate. I do think it’s just a way to make direct sales more attractive. With post 1/19 resale you will still get the original 14 resorts which are mostly all pretty solid choices. It’s still a lot of variety and maybe the prices go down a little or at least don’t go up more before you are ready to buy in.
Club Cooloholic
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If there was a DVC there...points starting at say....1000 LOL.
eliza61nyc
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If this drives down resale prices this might not be a bad thing for those who already have ownership. I have no interest at all for the Rivera but I could see adding on some cheap points resale and use my original contract to bounce around where ever I want.
When do they plan on offering Rivera?
When do they plan on offering Rivera?
Sirwalterraleigh
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correcaminos
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I noticed that as well. I'm sure that we'll see what they really have in mind once Riviera goes on sale. I am hoping we'll hear something about room types and such soon.
My guess is spring sometime, but no one really knows.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I don’t think 1/19 is a “random” date. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was 1/20...or 1/26
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
What are you implying?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Since this is going to be online likely this year...it has to be sold ASAP. Also...Disney never picks a random date. It’s all calculated.
So that date has to mean something. It could be the sales date. Or - perhaps the lead time they need to sort out the outstanding resells that will come in prior to sales...say 4 or 8 weeks?
Club Cooloholic
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I guess we all look at things differently, I would rather resale keep going up, it's an investment(maybe not one that can make money but it's nice to have the option in 10 years) and I always want my points to be worth more.