No more free drinks at All Star Sports Resort

Monorail_Orange

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Then again, this is disney who went for non-resort specific mugs and with the same design over a couple years opening the system up to being taken advantage of.

Changing out mug designs and/or resort specific designs would make it a lot more obvious when people are reusing old mugs. Under the new system, you still have make all-new mugs with the RFID chip.

I know at the water parks you can either buy the mug, or if already have your mug, just a sticker. As much as I like the mugs, going two or three times a year can make it a little silly with that many mugs...hopefully the Soda Annual Pass OR reacitivating your current mug will be an option if this is implemented property wide.
 

Pioneer Hall

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I don't think this has anything to do with saving money on syrup.
Which would be negligible for Disney.

I think it's more about making those people who are honest and properly pay for their drinks feel better.

I don't drink soda at WDW, but I can imagine it would be really annoying to pay for a coke, and then look over and see some cheap idiot using cups from 3 years past.
It would very slightly take a bit of Magic away from the Disney World trip.
And seeing this happen over and over again would further erode the Magic.

I think Disney's making this move with those guests in mind. I like it.:)

I highly doubt that Disney is doing this with this scenario in mind, except to curtail someone from doing the same thing if they see it. Other than that this is just a business move.
 

bunnyman

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I don't think RFID tags are that expensive, but then again, neither is soda. Still, Disney isn't doing it to save money, they're doing it to take in more. If I can buy a refillable mug and use it on a second trip, Disney misses out on money. They don't mind the loss of soda, but the possibility of selling more mugs is what they're going for. At least that's what I think.



Short term, maybe, long term, no. The tags themselves aren't that expensive, to my knowledge. The initial cost of the machines might be expensive, though.

According to Wikipedia, a passive RFID tag (which I think is what Disney is using) costs a twentieth of a cent. That may as well be nothing.


You're right, the RFID technology is cheap nowadays. I know a company that makes the product. It is so small they can even inbed it onto sporting event ticket. They do this for major events like the World Cup, Olympics, etc., and you wouldn't even know it is there (no, it's not the barcode, but it is actually inbedded in the fibers of the paper). It's so cheap that they even put it in the hangers at Target, etc., so it goes off if you were to walk out with it (if you've noticed, those big pin anti-theft tags are going away, and this is why).
 

pumpkin7

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i suppose if you have free refils for life, you just bring your mug anyway, and then they'll give you a barcoded mug to use for the remainder of your trip.
for them to do this though, a hell of a lot of people must be taking advantage of the system. it wouldn't be worth it for just a few people, but someone must have cottoned on and i'm glad they are doing something about it.
 

Unplugged

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RFID chips are cheap...really cheap now. I don't know what the cost of a softdrink is (syrup, water, ice, electricity, etc.). Last I saw about 4 years ago, RFID chips were $0.25. I thought they are now under $0.05 each. Many major retail outlets have them embedded in shipping labels to track every box coming and going from their warehouses and stores (not individual items, but boxes and pallets). Wal-Mart is one huge RFID user for their back-end inventory control. Even some airports such as McCarran in Vegas use it for tracking luggage, that is one chip in the printed luggage tag for the automated handling system.

If you think about the economics, it may seem silly at first, but the volume of savings I'm sure will be in the hundreds of thousands annually.

Also, I'm not saying this is happening :lookaroun, but using such mugs would then be a logical way to extend soft drinks service to a self serve model at counter service restaurants ensuring only buyers get drinks. That is, pay for your chipped mug and it could work across WDW including parks. While providing you soft drinks everywhere may seem pricey, the service costs it saves could more then make up for it. Numbers have been run somewhere or this wouldn't be in play.
 

Ijones88

Member
What you want to bet the price of the mugs go up too, like everything else....and for $15 one can buy a lot of 2 liter sodas and fill up your old mugs in your room. That's what I do, plus you don't have to walk a mile to get a drink in the middle of the evening...
 

PhilharMagician

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What you want to bet the price of the mugs go up too, like everything else....and for $15 one can buy a lot of 2 liter sodas and fill up your old mugs in your room. That's what I do, plus you don't have to walk a mile to get a drink in the middle of the evening...

Yeah, and how much do one of those mugs hold? 10oz? :brick: It is not much. If it were a resort wide useage including the parks, then it would be worth it. Unfortunately that will never happen when the get either $2.19 or $2.49 (depending on size) for fountain drinks at the QS restaurants. Soft drinks and bottled water have to be Disney's most profitable products at their resorts. I would say even better than alcoholic beverages.
 

devoy1701

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What you want to bet the price of the mugs go up too, like everything else....and for $15 one can buy a lot of 2 liter sodas and fill up your old mugs in your room. That's what I do, plus you don't have to walk a mile to get a drink in the middle of the evening...

we bring 2 12-packs! It's alot cheaper than resort mugs anyway!
 

wdwfan22

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I still see people confused by the finger scanners every trip I take to WDW. If they fuss enough the CM just scans their pass and lets them through.

I guarantee if it gets to the point where a CM has to continually help guests with the soda machines or explain how they work over and over they will be removed.

It's no different then having to explain how FASTPASS works each and every day.
 

PhilharMagician

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Water is still free...and judging from the average guest they need more water and less sugary soda.

That's true. I did not even think about asking for water with ice at counter service locations except some locations have that swampy taste, but to charge $2.50 for bottled water.:eek: You can get a case of 24 bottles of Dasani sport bottles (the same one's that is sold at WDW) for less than $10 at Winn Dixie, Walmart or any large store in the area.

We always have a 12 pack of soda in the room and a few cases of water. We carry in 1 to 2 bottles of water per person to the parks each day.

We got the mugs once on our first trip to WDW in 93'. We stopped to fill them in the morning on the way to the parks then we had to carry the empty mugs all day. Then maybe fill on the way back to the room when you got off of the bus. If we had some pool time we would fill it once of twice. In a weeks time we would be lucky to fill each mug 20 times and that is probably exagerated. I get more soda out of a 12 pack and it only costs me $4 and it is in my room cold waiting for me so I do not have to go out and walk accross my resort for a refill.
 

brifraz

Marching along...
Premium Member
People stealing soda or not buying a new mug > efficiently working monorail

Seems to be TDO's priority right now... :lol:

Just some quick, not founded in fact, number crunching....

Based on our visits, I would vastly underestimate 2 'stolen' soda per half hour per resort. Assuming they pay next to nothing for the syrup, water, and gas, that's $10 lost revenue per hour per resort. For the sake of easy math, I'm going with 20 resorts (yes, there are more, but I like easy round numbers). So, $200 per hour WDW wide. Again, to make round numbers, I'm going with 20 hours of usage per day (since I was under on resorts, I'll be over on hours). So, $4000 a day of lost revenue. Multiplied by 365 days a year and we have $1,460,000 per year.

Now, I have no idea how much the new machines are costing Disney, but I would assume the initial install is a cost they see as absorbed almost immediately (as the machines need to be replaced every few years regardless). If the RFID tags are really 1/20 of a cent (as someone earlier suggested) and Disney has a little over 100 million visitors a year (I know that number includes all USA parks, but I'm doing easy numbers here) who buy 2 sodas each day, we have a total annual cost for the cups of 100,000.

So, with my very horribly estimated numbers, Disney is likely looking at well over $1 million in soda profit a year that is lost due to 'stolen' sodas in old mugs. That kind of bottom line could go a long way to improving infrastructure somewhere in the parks (monorail pylons or otherwise). I think I can understand why it is a priority for them.

I have also just secured the fact that I will never be an accountant.
 

puntagordabob

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I like the idea of paying for an unlimted refill cup (one year) for any resort machine...Id gladly pay $50 for that... better than having a dozen of the cups per member of my family lol..... Hope they are bigger too the current cups are too small especially when you add a lot of ice for those hot days here in Florida.

The ability to use them in the parks would be great too...but I do not think they would be that generous lol
 

NoChesterHester

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I love it when people get up in arms about "big brother" when all that is happening is they are finally enforcing a rule that was already in place. They are doing it quietly with a clever technology rather than trying to tick people off with real live cast members policing the situation.

It matters not to me. I don't use the overpriced generic mugs anyway.
 

Thrill

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I love it when people get up in arms about "big brother" when all that is happening is they are finally enforcing a rule that was already in place. They are doing it quietly with a clever technology rather than trying to tick people off with real live cast members policing the situation.

It matters not to me. I don't use the overpriced generic mugs anyway.

I'm huge on privacy, and this isn't Big Brother. What are they going to do? Store the mug's code every time soda is dispensed and link the mug to your room to find out that you enjoy lemonade or perhaps the occasional Diet Coke?

If this were location data or something, I could see the argument, but it's not. It's not sensitive information, and the odds of Disney storing all of this information are slim to none. Obviously they're going to have to keep the mugs in the database during the trip, but I can't see them storing information each time a drink is dispensed. They might keep a count of how many times a drink is dispensed at what dispenser, whether it's a disposable cup or a re-usable mug, but I can't see them linking it to a specific person.

I like the idea of paying for an unlimted refill cup (one year) for any resort machine...Id gladly pay $50 for that... better than having a dozen of the cups per member of my family lol..... Hope they are bigger too the current cups are too small especially when you add a lot of ice for those hot days here in Florida.

The ability to use them in the parks would be great too...but I do not think they would be that generous lol

Maybe give a discount to old mugs. Come with your old mug and you can add a length of stay to the RFID tag for $10 or something.

Just some quick, not founded in fact, number crunching....

Based on our visits, I would vastly underestimate 2 'stolen' soda per half hour per resort. Assuming they pay next to nothing for the syrup, water, and gas, that's $10 lost revenue per hour per resort. For the sake of easy math, I'm going with 20 resorts (yes, there are more, but I like easy round numbers). So, $200 per hour WDW wide. Again, to make round numbers, I'm going with 20 hours of usage per day (since I was under on resorts, I'll be over on hours). So, $4000 a day of lost revenue. Multiplied by 365 days a year and we have $1,460,000 per year.

Now, I have no idea how much the new machines are costing Disney, but I would assume the initial install is a cost they see as absorbed almost immediately (as the machines need to be replaced every few years regardless). If the RFID tags are really 1/20 of a cent (as someone earlier suggested) and Disney has a little over 100 million visitors a year (I know that number includes all USA parks, but I'm doing easy numbers here) who buy 2 sodas each day, we have a total annual cost for the cups of 100,000.

So, with my very horribly estimated numbers, Disney is likely looking at well over $1 million in soda profit a year that is lost due to 'stolen' sodas in old mugs. That kind of bottom line could go a long way to improving infrastructure somewhere in the parks (monorail pylons or otherwise). I think I can understand why it is a priority for them.

I have also just secured the fact that I will never be an accountant.

It's actually $0.05. So a nickel per each tag. Don't know how I messed that up. XD Still, the numbers would probably work if you changed up the cost. The 100 million visitor figure is high, plus not all of those sodas would be purchased at resorts. I'd also estimate that the stolen soda figure is a bit higher.

During my last trip, during the course of a week, I saw probably around 15 outdated mugs (low estimate, plus some of the Memories mugs very well may be on their second use). Let's say I saw about a quarter of the people staying at the resort either eating or at the pool. This means that there were probably 60 old mugs at the Contemporary/Bay Lake Tower (I'd guess that the number is quite a bit higher than that, in actuality). 60 mugs at $15 a piece is $900 in lost revenue per week at a 900 or so room resort. Each week, that's $1 per room. 20,000 rooms at Disney resorts (probably way more than that), at $52 per year is just over a million dollars.

Now for cost. Let's use an inflated figure of 40,000 rooms with an average stay of 4 days, and an average room occupancy of 5. This would mean that about 18 million people stay at Disney resorts. If every one of them buys a mug, Disney is spending $900,000 extra on RFID tags.

With vastly inflated cost and slightly deflated revenue, Disney would make $100,000 on using RFID tags on mugs. Not a huge figure, but my math leans towards low profit anyway. In reality, they're probably making far more than that, but it's definitely making money. On mugs, at least. If the math for the cups is corrected for the RFID tag cost, which is 100 times larger, it loses $9 million on cups. XD
 

maxairmike

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They obviously have to be using at least a basic server-style backend to track the mugs being used at the fountains (and yes, you can be sure that if they can attach a name and resort info to a mug purchase for data mining and analysis, they likely will. That's just good business to know exactly what your customers are doing/buying). I can't wait for the inevitable time when the specialized fountains are down. And since these fountains are now networked in some way, that means they also have a better than average chance of bugging out as well. Oh the fun that should ensue from that. :drevil:

Speaking of the computer systems, that would be one gigantic monster of an additional info system to set up across the resort. I sure wouldn't want the god-awful task of setting up/managing that. Depending on how long they might be interested in storing and mining guests' data, you could be looking at Google/Apple-sized database operations*...geeez. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be involved in those logistics.

*I'm talking single-site server/database operations. I've got to imagine that storing and tracking the info of...let's say 20 million individual guests each year (You don't combine the park attendances, you take the highest attended park that the highest percentage of guests visit at least once (the MK) and then add in some wiggle room) would require some serious space for all the equipment that would take. Probably not the best idea to farm it out across the resort, so you find a place to centrally locate those.
 

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