Kamikaze
Well-Known Member
And thats why Disney charges per person entry to their buffets, not per plate.
Regardless of 'drink sharing' and what people think about it, this new system does stop it.
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No more free drinks at All Star Sports Resort
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And thats why Disney charges per person entry to their buffets, not per plate.
Regardless of 'drink sharing' and what people think about it, this new system does stop it.
SleepingMonk
Well-Known Member
One person, one plate...one person, one mug.
People shouldn't need WDW to tell them it's wrong to use a "community mug".
Malum in se and all that ya know.
People shouldn't need WDW to tell them it's wrong to use a "community mug".
Malum in se and all that ya know.
njDizFan
Well-Known Member
So when I go to Red Robin I give away my french fries to all my family that comes with me and then replenish until we all have our fill. Morally gray?
I dont see what the big deal is, i dont condone stealing by any means, but if people want to bring old mugs to get soda then thats there business.Me and my family of four buy new mugs everytime we visit, and we see others filling there old cup up constantly, do i care? nooooooooooo lol.I wouldnt care if i seen a bunch of people stealing disney bed spreads, the fact of the matter is that it has nothing to do with me, i dont work for disney.The only thing i care about is me and my family having a good time and enjoying are vacation, thats were my focus is.I think some people need to get a life and stop worrying about other people.
E-waste?
I skimmed the back half of the thread and noticed most of the discussion is on stealing, so I apologize if this has been tossed out already. I was just curious about the e-waste implications of RFID chips on paper cups. It seems like Disney, who is at least on the surface environmentally conscious, would have accounted for this in some manner. I am not familiar enough with RFID chips to know how they are built, but perhaps someone with more experience can speak to this issue. Might this be a barrier to implementation? Or perhaps more incentive to push reusable mugs over paper cups?
I skimmed the back half of the thread and noticed most of the discussion is on stealing, so I apologize if this has been tossed out already. I was just curious about the e-waste implications of RFID chips on paper cups. It seems like Disney, who is at least on the surface environmentally conscious, would have accounted for this in some manner. I am not familiar enough with RFID chips to know how they are built, but perhaps someone with more experience can speak to this issue. Might this be a barrier to implementation? Or perhaps more incentive to push reusable mugs over paper cups?
Kamikaze
Well-Known Member
Red Robin actually encourages you to share the fries with everyone at the table. So no, perfectly fine.
JustInTime
Well-Known Member
Well, the chip is kind of like a security sensor that you find inside Blu-Ray and DVD boxes. Cheap to make and disposable. In fact, they almost look like paper stickers. I imagine that the chip on the bottom of the cup has close to no impact on the amount of trash that goes into a landfill. Either way you look at it, the same cup would have went into the trash if there was a sticker on the bottom or not.
flynnibus
Premium Member
'wrong'? yes, because it's wasteful and stupid behavior for no gain
against the implied purpose of what you bought? no, because you are only using the soda for yourself
would I support Disney throwing you out for doing it repeatedly? yup, same way someone who took entire boxes of napkins and throws them away should be discouraged and removed if they continue to abuse the facility or services
You bought a drink that is implied for your use - not other people. That's why when you say you use the mug to fill up others which infers use by others is 'wrong' and abuse of the service/good you bought. To argue 'well they never TOLD me I couldn't' is just abusing the common sense and freedom the vendor gave you to start. You are abusing the freedom and such arguements drag us all down into legal-ese requirements.
If you share your drink with your kid because they want a sip.. no one cares.. you aren't abusing the privledge. But if you buy one drink, and fill everyone's cups from it instead of buying drinks for everyone in your family.. you are abusing the service.
We don't need common sense spelled out letter by letter or written policies by vendor to understand what is intended most of the time.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
I believe they were talking about electronic garbage not the garbage of the cup itself.
After a little research some RFID chips are basically made of wood with a negligible amount of metal for the antennae.
So, possibly, the e-garbage would not really be an issue at all.
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-08/fraunhofer-wants-tag-trees-wood-based-rfid-chips
Kamikaze
Well-Known Member
The signs clearly state 'unlimited refills for length of stay'. It doesn't say 'for the purchaser'. I can see how you might think thats implied, but it isn't.
I buy a mug for everyone in my party when I go, so I'm basically fighting for others. But the rules do not state how the refills are to be used, or used by.
With the 5 minute refill timer (which I bet gets shortened to ~2 minutes), it would probably mean many more mug sales in this scenario. Which is fine by me.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Yeah.. keep thinking that. Some day when you are on the other side of the fence you will have a different opinion.
The mug isn't intended to fill everyone else's cup - and Disney's actions to prevent short-cycle refilling verifies that.
It's common sense.. that's why it's not spelled out. But its why restaurants now have to keep expanding the signage when they say 'refills are only for this visit' etc.. because jerk offs think they can bring a cup in from a previous visit and just use it, etc. It goes on and on.. until we have to have a freaking 10 commandments of drink services because people are always out to say 'well you didn't tell me that' when it's obvious and the defense is just looking to screw the other guy because they can.
The mug isn't intended to fill everyone else's cup - and Disney's actions to prevent short-cycle refilling verifies that.
It's common sense.. that's why it's not spelled out. But its why restaurants now have to keep expanding the signage when they say 'refills are only for this visit' etc.. because jerk offs think they can bring a cup in from a previous visit and just use it, etc. It goes on and on.. until we have to have a freaking 10 commandments of drink services because people are always out to say 'well you didn't tell me that' when it's obvious and the defense is just looking to screw the other guy because they can.
patricia27
Member
Drinks
Why not charge a bit more for meals--a few cents here and there and then offer free drinks. That would cover the cost of the drinks as there is a big mark up on them any way!!
Why not charge a bit more for meals--a few cents here and there and then offer free drinks. That would cover the cost of the drinks as there is a big mark up on them any way!!
You answered you own question right there. Drinks have the biggest profit margin of any item at a restaurant. There is no way that they will ever give up that cash cow.
Seriously?
So with this gem of logic I can walk into any gift shop on property and pick out my free stuff because there are no signs that state I have to pay for it?
Cosmic Commando
Well-Known Member
I support the general idea, but I have issues with some of the specifics... I think 5 mins between refills is too long, but I understand if they had completely unlimited refills it wouldn't stop people from filling their whole family's cups. I'll throw out another hypothetical: my family buys mugs for each person, but we don't always schlep around all four mugs. I guess that's my line... if my family has all purchased mugs, then I think we should be able to share between 1, 2 or 3 mugs for the four of us if we all drink directly from the Disney mug. Pouring from the mug into separate cups would be different, but the inconvenience of sharing the actual mug and the fact that we purchased mugs for everyone makes it OK to me.
One more nitpick: Disney will likely have to change the signs promoting the mugs. Before, while you were limited by the amount of time to fill the cup and the time to drink, refills really unlimited. Now, with four refills per hour, there is an actual finite number of refills you are allotted. My math puts the number somewhere around 1008 refills per mug. There are a lot of numbers higher than 1008.
One more nitpick: Disney will likely have to change the signs promoting the mugs. Before, while you were limited by the amount of time to fill the cup and the time to drink, refills really unlimited. Now, with four refills per hour, there is an actual finite number of refills you are allotted. My math puts the number somewhere around 1008 refills per mug. There are a lot of numbers higher than 1008.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
More like 12 refills per hour. :wave:
Kamikaze
Well-Known Member
Price tags on the items are a pretty clear indicator ...
Are you all saying that the person who purchases the mug is the only one that can I use it? So if I were to purchase it, I couldn't let my wife, brother, cousin, friend use it? Even if I wasn't? Where does it say that? If you buy mugs for your kids, you're the only one that can fill them? Or they can only fill one and not the other mug? They better not get them confused, then. Or even better, I can't get up in the morning and go down and get some lemonade for everyone in my party (with all 4 mugs that we have) because its 'purchaser only'? That is not how it works, nor how it is intended.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Just to quickly chime in on the cost of soda. My corporation has a couple of C-Stores, and while fountain soda does have a pretty big mark-up, it does not cost the pennies that a lot of people are making it out to cost.
The idea that Disney is sticking it to their customers by not letting them continue to abuse the system is malarkey.
This is not a moral grey area, if you are taking soda you did not pay for, or abusing the system by buying one cup and filling up ten bottles from that one cup, then you are doing something wrong. Disney has taken notice of this, and is working to change it. That is just smart business.
The idea that Disney is sticking it to their customers by not letting them continue to abuse the system is malarkey.
This is not a moral grey area, if you are taking soda you did not pay for, or abusing the system by buying one cup and filling up ten bottles from that one cup, then you are doing something wrong. Disney has taken notice of this, and is working to change it. That is just smart business.
Kamikaze
Well-Known Member
Actually, Disney is after the people that are just using any old cup (old mugs, cups from 7-11, water bottles from 1983) at the machines.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
If you push your refillable mug up to the handle and fill it to the top, then turn around and dump that cup out into an old mug or a soda bottle, then refill your mug again, how is that any different then just filling the old mug or soda bottle up directly from the machine?
Disney is looking to curb abuse of the system. End of story.