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No great rides since Tower
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Disney2002
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I beg to differ -- I don't think PotC appeals to everyone in the family. It's a little stale and doesn't grab a key demographic (aka 18-30). Disney has done a good job of attracting this crowd with recent rides like RnRC and ToT.
General Grizz
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One of the few attractions we all rode as a family on the last trip was PoTC. . . the three year olds were as eager to go as the sixty-year-olds! 
A better example of a family ride, though, would be Journey Into Imagination, which could also have even been improved.
A better example of a family ride, though, would be Journey Into Imagination, which could also have even been improved.
DarkMeasures
New Member
Yeah... there are all problems with the current Disney rides that could easily be fixed:
Mission Space: Post Show
Test Track : Post Shop and outdoor enhancement
Dinosaur: A more emmersive que and removal of cheap effects.
Imagination: Completly rebuilt
Dinoland: New theming.
I believe all of this can be fixed for I am sure there are Imagineers just hoping to fix these rides but it wont be until WDW gets new managment.
What All of Disney needs is a Futurist who is willing to have his company go deep in the red for a year just to build something. As a risk taker who also enjoys what he does and loved the people around him. Kida treat the company as a family buisness and everyone as his family. He also needs to be regularly seen and not hidden. But he also needs to be aware of the people before him.
Walt was everything but the last, because there was nobody before him.
The park manager can be that good too.
I personably would like to see a decade of just plusing. As in surveys are taken on every ride and the undesirable parts are enhanced to bring full magic and joy.
Take for example the Mission Space Post Show. The whole attraction has extravagent theming even inside the pods (I like the small space unlike what Grizz thinks. I don't know why he hates Mission Space so much) Well once the guests enter the Post show, they enter a large room with a playground like that of McDonalds, a giant videogame that is mildly entertaining and I kill everyone in, and several other video games that are relativly low tech and on the easy side. And also, the themeing. It's a large dark room with curtain walls and stage lights with Star Shaped cut outs placed over them... How entertaining.....
Yet the original plan called for the post show to appear as a huge Space Station orbiting Mars with another E-ride quality attraction inside as well as many other activities far beyond that of the current ride.
Another thing is the buildings small size. Due to the one store place being dropped out near completing, there is now a large room that could make Grizz happy if the line was expanded there.
Oh well. We wont see anything being fixed probably for another couple years.
Mission Space: Post Show
Test Track : Post Shop and outdoor enhancement
Dinosaur: A more emmersive que and removal of cheap effects.
Imagination: Completly rebuilt
Dinoland: New theming.
I believe all of this can be fixed for I am sure there are Imagineers just hoping to fix these rides but it wont be until WDW gets new managment.
What All of Disney needs is a Futurist who is willing to have his company go deep in the red for a year just to build something. As a risk taker who also enjoys what he does and loved the people around him. Kida treat the company as a family buisness and everyone as his family. He also needs to be regularly seen and not hidden. But he also needs to be aware of the people before him.
Walt was everything but the last, because there was nobody before him.
The park manager can be that good too.
I personably would like to see a decade of just plusing. As in surveys are taken on every ride and the undesirable parts are enhanced to bring full magic and joy.
Take for example the Mission Space Post Show. The whole attraction has extravagent theming even inside the pods (I like the small space unlike what Grizz thinks. I don't know why he hates Mission Space so much) Well once the guests enter the Post show, they enter a large room with a playground like that of McDonalds, a giant videogame that is mildly entertaining and I kill everyone in, and several other video games that are relativly low tech and on the easy side. And also, the themeing. It's a large dark room with curtain walls and stage lights with Star Shaped cut outs placed over them... How entertaining.....
Yet the original plan called for the post show to appear as a huge Space Station orbiting Mars with another E-ride quality attraction inside as well as many other activities far beyond that of the current ride.
Another thing is the buildings small size. Due to the one store place being dropped out near completing, there is now a large room that could make Grizz happy if the line was expanded there.
Oh well. We wont see anything being fixed probably for another couple years.
martinthesparta
Member
I agree that we need some good family rides. I think MK doesn't really need any(although always welcome anyway) but there is such a balanced mix already, and Epcot , AK, and MGM really need one or two. The potencial at epcot is unlimited for a good family ride. If you redid imagination or gave SEE a total face lift, you might have something. Done right, learning can be fun for the whole family, but I was also the freak when I was little who would rather go to the milwaukee public museum (whcih is excellent by the way) than go to chucky cheese. I have a great family ride idea (it is for MK however) that could go where speedway is. It would be an indoor intergalactic zoo tram ride full of AA alien creatures where some creatures are seen behind glass and some are right in your face. Like jungle cruise with aliens.
Jenngusto
Member
I LOVE Disney . . . that said, I would love to see more theming at Dinoland ( what is up with the cheesy "carnival" games?). Also, one of the things I love most about Disney are the stories and theming that goes along with most of the major attractions. The chessiness of going to an Aerosmith concert with the band, traveling to another dimension in the Tower of Terror, going to space with Star Wars. . . this is awesome and leads to nurture the imagination. I hope such theming will continue and help nurture future minds and families who venture to the best place I can think of - Disney!
Kermit the Frog
New Member
Perhaps the problem is that WDW is dealing with a whole new generation of park guests and park management.
Twenty to thirty years ago the Disney parks completely blew everybody out of the water with their incredible theming and ability to tell stories and entertain guests. Those guests back then were relitively easy to keep entertained, and the slow moving family rides kept the people in the parks for days. Back then Disney had huge, elaborate rides that each involved dozens of audio animatronics to tell the story. Special effects and music were also abundant, and high tech thrills were not necessary. After all, if people wanted cheap thrills in dirty parks they could always head for their nearest amusement park.
As for today's generation, there are two main issues that deal with amusement parks:
First, there has been a roller coaster/thrill ride craze that has been building for over thirty years. Now all of a sudden the local Six Flags park can offer people a full day of coaster action for a much cheaper price than going on vacation to WDW. Why make an expensive trip across the country when about 90% of the country's population lives within a day's drive of a Six Flags (or Paramount) park? Somehow Disney needs to attract guests, and one of the obvious answers is to build more E-Rides. If they can build a smash hit it'll give the parks a huge financil boost and easily bring in new and old crowds for the next year.
The other issue is that today's young adults, teens and kids do not seem to have the same attention spans as those of the same age twenty to thirty years ago. I'm certainly not an anthropologist, but you can definitely tell that there's a difference between then and now. Today it's very common to see those youngsters sitting in front of a tv or computer playing video games and watching movies in their spare time. In school it's harder to control them, and they just don't seem to have the attention span to sit in one spot and stay entertained by rather boring things.
Sure rides like Horizons, World of Motion, and the old Journey into Imagination were excellent family rides. I loved them and still miss it that they are gone. Be honest with me though. Back in the early to mid nineties did any of you suspect that the rides wouldn't be around for much longer when you were able to walk right on the ride in the middle of the day in the summer? Disney needs to bring in people and money, and right now one of the easiest ways to do so is with a good thrill ride. I'd love to see some new 10+ minute family rides be built, but I seriously doubt that'll happen any time soon.
Twenty to thirty years ago the Disney parks completely blew everybody out of the water with their incredible theming and ability to tell stories and entertain guests. Those guests back then were relitively easy to keep entertained, and the slow moving family rides kept the people in the parks for days. Back then Disney had huge, elaborate rides that each involved dozens of audio animatronics to tell the story. Special effects and music were also abundant, and high tech thrills were not necessary. After all, if people wanted cheap thrills in dirty parks they could always head for their nearest amusement park.
As for today's generation, there are two main issues that deal with amusement parks:
First, there has been a roller coaster/thrill ride craze that has been building for over thirty years. Now all of a sudden the local Six Flags park can offer people a full day of coaster action for a much cheaper price than going on vacation to WDW. Why make an expensive trip across the country when about 90% of the country's population lives within a day's drive of a Six Flags (or Paramount) park? Somehow Disney needs to attract guests, and one of the obvious answers is to build more E-Rides. If they can build a smash hit it'll give the parks a huge financil boost and easily bring in new and old crowds for the next year.
The other issue is that today's young adults, teens and kids do not seem to have the same attention spans as those of the same age twenty to thirty years ago. I'm certainly not an anthropologist, but you can definitely tell that there's a difference between then and now. Today it's very common to see those youngsters sitting in front of a tv or computer playing video games and watching movies in their spare time. In school it's harder to control them, and they just don't seem to have the attention span to sit in one spot and stay entertained by rather boring things.
Sure rides like Horizons, World of Motion, and the old Journey into Imagination were excellent family rides. I loved them and still miss it that they are gone. Be honest with me though. Back in the early to mid nineties did any of you suspect that the rides wouldn't be around for much longer when you were able to walk right on the ride in the middle of the day in the summer? Disney needs to bring in people and money, and right now one of the easiest ways to do so is with a good thrill ride. I'd love to see some new 10+ minute family rides be built, but I seriously doubt that'll happen any time soon.
enough
Well-Known Member
while i do agree that more and more people want faster thrill rides, I'd have to argue that the reason why a large percentage of the people choose to go to WDW is because WDW offers more than just thrill rides.
of course you can never have too many thrill rides, but to me a park with just thrill rides doesn't offer enough - I like the balance of thrill and "family" rides in wdw - and believe me when i tell you that I am as big a thrill ride fan as the next guy.
i would love to see wdw grow in such a way that they maintain the balance between thrill rides and slower moving AA rides like POTC.
of course you can never have too many thrill rides, but to me a park with just thrill rides doesn't offer enough - I like the balance of thrill and "family" rides in wdw - and believe me when i tell you that I am as big a thrill ride fan as the next guy.
i would love to see wdw grow in such a way that they maintain the balance between thrill rides and slower moving AA rides like POTC.
hlwoodcock
New Member
Ok, I have read everything in this thread and I think everyone has some valid points. There are some rides that are timeless and if disney can make more rides like that then I think everyone will be happy.
As most people know disney is in the process of doing something with the 20000 Leagues ride.
Does anyone have any ideas about what type/theme ride should replace this?
If you do not like what disney is doing then come up with some better ideas and I believe that someone in the company is listening to what the consumer wants.
As most people know disney is in the process of doing something with the 20000 Leagues ride.
Does anyone have any ideas about what type/theme ride should replace this?
If you do not like what disney is doing then come up with some better ideas and I believe that someone in the company is listening to what the consumer wants.
martinthesparta
Member
The easiest and most logical thing to do with that area is build a new 20k ride(basically a clone of the TDS 20k which I hear is a dark ride) in conjunction with either ariel's grotto from TDS which has already been rumored anyway, or a small little mermaid dark ride. I think this idea would make just about everybody happy whether it's what they had in mind or not, ang should be fairly cost effective especially since the plans are already drwn up unless they would want to make any major changes. Fantasyland lost much of it's character and magic when 20k ceased operation.
Why must everything be completely new and thrilling, can't we simply have fun. I agree there needs to be more family rides, although I think pooh and buzz though not innovative in there ride systems is unique and just fun. are we so inthrown with technology that everything new has to be an advancement? I don't like roller coasters. spin me twist me turn me but don't drop me. thats why 90% of the rides at universal I don't ride. if I want coasters i could go to any six flaggs. I have never ridden (and probubly never will) ride TOT, RNRC, Splash mountain, Big thundar, SPace mountian, Everest, or prime evil whirl. whiche to me is ok, because though I don;t ride it it brings people enjoyment so its ok, but it's getting to be out of hand. Mission Space is a centrafudge so I am definitly looking foward to riding that one. Buzz and pooh are awesome, not innovative but fun for families. all I can say is it's just FUN it dosn;t have to be innovative, have a big thrill , have a big drop just to be FUN. and to me thats disney just plain FUN. I love Dinosaur, it's unique and just FUN. I am hopeing after everest disney's coaster days will be over and new more fun attractions like pooh and buzz will make it's way in. universal (both parks) are only a one day visit to do the 10 attractions I can ride. and like men in black in universal, a large elaborate queue is no make up for a really really short mildly humurious ride. Buzz is waaaaay better. I have never gotten off buzz and not giggled. but men in black if we miss it we miss it, it isn't a loss.
martinthesparta
Member
I think another problem is that our expectations are wayy too big for our own good and even if there is a good attarction, we can almost always find something bad to say about it. WDW is way above the themepark average, which is proven by it's attendance, so even if we have dreams and expectations of what it should be, sometimes we should just except it for what it is.
General Grizz
New Member
Oh sure, we should have fun. However, it's a shame to see a lot of the good attractions go to waste (i.e. JII/Image Works), only to be replaced by crap OR nothing. :brick:
Legacy
Well-Known Member
I miss ImageWorks...
Running through the Rainbow Tunnel to the dark room in the back, that had those HUGE pin tables to put your hands under. I could spend hours in ImageWorks in not care.
It's such a shame the true Imagination was stifled because of cost. I would love to see them just rebuilt it with some more fiber-optic and digital effects. And more advanced Audio-Animatronics of Figgy and Dreamfinder would be cool too.
I still have dreams about the turn-table...
Running through the Rainbow Tunnel to the dark room in the back, that had those HUGE pin tables to put your hands under. I could spend hours in ImageWorks in not care.
It's such a shame the true Imagination was stifled because of cost. I would love to see them just rebuilt it with some more fiber-optic and digital effects. And more advanced Audio-Animatronics of Figgy and Dreamfinder would be cool too.
I still have dreams about the turn-table...