No expiration tickets - - - -what happened.

networkpro

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
This is the part that so many people are losing in this dialog. Disney cannot record those ticket sales as revenue until they are actually redeemed at the turnstile for admission. The accounting rules have changed over the years, which makes it really messy and expensive for them to keep doing this so they stopped

Also why they dont set an official redemption deadline for any outstanding no-expiry tickets... that would hit that particular quarter heavily. Its much easier to let them trickle in and gradually be booked.
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
Also why they dont set an official redemption deadline for any outstanding no-expiry tickets... that would hit that particular quarter heavily. Its much easier to let them trickle in and gradually be booked.

I'm pretty sure the consumer protection laws in most states would prevent them from retroactively applying an expiration date on something that didn't have one at the time of purchase. So, as a result they stop selling new ones and then just slowly flush out what's left in the wild.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Why would you buy a ticket and not use it completely? That sounds like user error, not Disney error or Disney greed.

If I buy a plane ticket and can't use it, the airline doesn't give me a rain check. So many things are like this, particularly in travel.

No expire is such a simple concept. Parks change and park offerings change. If they give you a no expire option today and let you come back in 10 years for no cost, you're getting a completely different experience than what you originally paid for when you bought the ticket. They want you to buy the ticket at the price they determine more recent to the time it was sold...How is this anything but basic?

It actually was generous and dumb they ever had a no expire option.
There are many reasons that you might not be able to use it. Illness is one very good one. You're sick and do not have the energy to "hit" the parks. I personally many times have gone planning to go for four days, but, something came up at home or I just got tired and decided to only go three. Weather... Disney may stay open, but, that doesn't mean that everyone would be crazy enough to go to a theme park, when half the stuff will be closed. It may be possible, but, that doesn't mean that everyone is that excited by a bunch of scenes and robots that they would go out in bad weather, cold or otherwise. Actually it was a very smart move on their part to have no expiration. You have a day coming, you will have way more incentive if all you have to do is add two days instead of pay for three. That day you are there you will buy meals, snacks, probably gifts for others pay for an extra night in a room. And Disney will get to keep the proceeds from the unused day, if it is never used and that is quite often. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. So who's stupid now?

If you pay the long price for an airline ticket you certainly can get refunded or credited, that you take a chance on, but, if you know you are only going to stay for 3 days, then you wouldn't buy a four day ticket. An airline ticket is usually purchased because you have a need. You don't buy it so you can use it whenever you want, you can with a Disney ticket. So talk about basics... that would be one. You don't mind, fine with me, I don't care if you get taken either. However, my point is I used it as incentive to go there. Not because I didn't like Disney, but, financially, I might be better off this month then next and having that paid for few days helps with the cash flow. That's on my end. For Disney, they get the cash to use for bonuses or repairs or light bills, whatever. They have it and at that point have not given their end of the bargain. Theme Parks that are open 365 day per year, have no reason to deny access because an unused day is not brand new. They commit to letting you go in any day of the year and whether you go or not will still have incurred the same expense to run the park whether you're there or you are not. In other words it cost them nothing to have you use it later.

I know what it has done to my opinion and drive to go there. It has killed it. I live within a days car trip to WDW and looked forward to going whenever the feeling hit me and as long as I had those unused days staring me in the face I would go and spend more money then I should. Now, I don't have that feeling of urgency or any need to be loyal to Disney. In a way it is a favor because now even though I go less often so I save buckets of money, I can, like I did last time, go down there and never set foot in WDW. You know what... Universal has a lot of really nice things to see and I know that a two day "hopper" ticket from them will let me see everything I wanted to see. So over a 10 day ticket that doesn't expire Disney has lost any number of possible hotel rooms, meals and other things. And really have gained almost nothing for denying me that option. I didn't pay for more days now then what I know I'll need. If I want to stay in the area longer, there are hundreds of things to do in Central Florida that do not require a 5 foot mouse to enjoy. And I'm just one person, multiply that by the number of people that will curtail some travel because of that decision.
 

Chef Mickey

Well-Known Member
There are many reasons that you might not be able to use it. Illness is one very good one. You're sick and do not have the energy to "hit" the parks. I personally many times have gone planning to go for four days, but, something came up at home or I just got tired and decided to only go three. Weather... Disney may stay open, but, that doesn't mean that everyone would be crazy enough to go to a theme park, when half the stuff will be closed. It may be possible, but, that doesn't mean that everyone is that excited by a bunch of scenes and robots that they would go out in bad weather, cold or otherwise. Actually it was a very smart move on their part to have no expiration. You have a day coming, you will have way more incentive if all you have to do is add two days instead of pay for three. That day you are there you will buy meals, snacks, probably gifts for others pay for an extra night in a room. And Disney will get to keep the proceeds from the unused day, if it is never used and that is quite often. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. So who's stupid now?

If you pay the long price for an airline ticket you certainly can get refunded or credited, that you take a chance on, but, if you know you are only going to stay for 3 days, then you wouldn't buy a four day ticket. An airline ticket is usually purchased because you have a need. You don't buy it so you can use it whenever you want, you can with a Disney ticket. So talk about basics... that would be one. You don't mind, fine with me, I don't care if you get taken either. However, my point is I used it as incentive to go there. Not because I didn't like Disney, but, financially, I might be better off this month then next and having that paid for few days helps with the cash flow. That's on my end. For Disney, they get the cash to use for bonuses or repairs or light bills, whatever. They have it and at that point have not given their end of the bargain. Theme Parks that are open 365 day per year, have no reason to deny access because an unused day is not brand new. They commit to letting you go in any day of the year and whether you go or not will still have incurred the same expense to run the park whether you're there or you are not. In other words it cost them nothing to have you use it later.

I know what it has done to my opinion and drive to go there. It has killed it. I live within a days car trip to WDW and looked forward to going whenever the feeling hit me and as long as I had those unused days staring me in the face I would go and spend more money then I should. Now, I don't have that feeling of urgency or any need to be loyal to Disney. In a way it is a favor because now even though I go less often so I save buckets of money, I can, like I did last time, go down there and never set foot in WDW. You know what... Universal has a lot of really nice things to see and I know that a two day "hopper" ticket from them will let me see everything I wanted to see. So over a 10 day ticket that doesn't expire Disney has lost any number of possible hotel rooms, meals and other things. And really have gained almost nothing for denying me that option. I didn't pay for more days now then what I know I'll need. If I want to stay in the area longer, there are hundreds of things to do in Central Florida that do not require a 5 foot mouse to enjoy. And I'm just one person, multiply that by the number of people that will curtail some travel because of that decision.
You’re old enough to know that stuff happens. Disney isn’t going to give you a no expire just to be nice.

There is no practical reason for them to do it, period.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
You’re old enough to know that stuff happens. Disney isn’t going to give you a no expire just to be nice.

There is no practical reason for them to do it, period.
Maybe, maybe not... it worked for the first 60 years of Disney Parks existence and provided a I want to return attitude for people like me, as well as a very inexpensive way to make additional money. Just because someone here now that doesn't understand why it was that way doesn't mean that it wasn't a good way and done for very solid reasons.

And, of course, I am old enough to know that stuff happens especially in today's, just think about today world. That doesn't mean that it was wrong or that it would be wrong now. Accountants didn't want to keep track of that liability so they collectively lobbied to get rid of it. It still amounts to thousands of dollars that they no longer will be getting from me. I am a notoriously frugal (cheap) person when it comes to things like this, so I took a look at my "Quicken" history of spending. Since 2001 when I first started to keep track I have spent $40,700.00 on vacation trips. 85% of that was to Disney. Bear in mind that 2001 was when I was first divorced and did trips by myself almost all the time. Rounded off that is $34,600 and most of that was connected to my no expiration tickets. Those got me there at least every year. Not happening anymore. I guess that much money is parking meter change to Disney, but that is just one person. I don't think I'm alone in my thoughts. I'm sure that it has no bearing on receipts right now, but it might show up big time before to long.
 

cdeev8690

Well-Known Member
Although Disney wasn't selling their tickets with the non-expiration option at this time, I purchased two non-expiration 7-day park hoppers in March of 2014 for $1300 through AAA. I got three multi-day trips out of them, with the last two days used on my most recent trip in early April. Best money I've ever spent on Disney. Not sure what I'm going to do moving forward as I don't go often enough for an AP but the cost of tickets has me positively shook.
 

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