NextGen/RFID news, info and experiences

dadddio

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I'm sharing all of this because I see it being a major hurdle with Fastpass+. What happens if your accounts aren't linked correctly, but you made reservations for a ride for all of the accounts you thought were linked?
That couldn't happen. Since you will only be able to prereserve FPs if there is a valid ticket associated with the guest profile, then it will be impossible to prereserve a FP if the profile was not linked or if a duplicate profile was somehow created.
How does the system decide who gets to make/change/cancel Fastpass+ reservations?
As I recall from the T&C, if profiles are linked, then any owner of any of the linked profiles can make/change/cancel FP reservations.
What happens if my account shows a resort reservation for 4, but I am making Fastpass+ reservations for 6 (2 linked friends)?
FP+ has nothing to do with resort reservations. If all six profiles are linked, each has a valid ticket associated with it, and FPs have not already been prereserved for all of the days of those tickets, then you should be able to make FP+ reservations.
Here are the pros/cons of my experience. Obviously, there are some cons to the pros, and vice versa, but in terms of usability, I think this is a fair list. ...
Cons
  1. Little-to-no written technical support.
I'm not sure how much written tech support is to be expected at this stage. The bulk of MM+ hasn't been introduced yet, after all.
 

dadddio

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All this managing and connecting and having to set things up...who wants that?

Seems like extra work to me. Maybe people will like it, though! I don't know.
I don't believe that it will be a problem for most guests.

Most parties, I suspect, are families. These guests will build their profiles for their first visit and almost not have to worry about it going forward. When I booked my family's ADRs a few weeks ago, I basically told the system how many people I had and it popped in my family members and asked me to confirm that it was the correct people.
 

tnemgif

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That couldn't happen. Since you will only be able to prereserve FPs if there is a valid ticket associated with the guest profile, then it will be impossible to prereserve a FP if the profile was not linked or if a duplicate profile was somehow created.
Thank you for the answers - you seem to be very knowledgeable about this! So it seems then, that you can't make reservations unless everyone in your party has a linked ticket reservation somewhere?

As I recall from the T&C, if profiles are linked, then any owner of any of the linked profiles can make/change/cancel FP reservations.
This makes good sense. Seems that dining reservations have changed since I last used the system, as well. Now, anyone who is linked into the reservation can make/change/cancel reservations, with just a click. Not sure if this is a great idea, but it is much easier to use.

I'm not sure how much written tech support is to be expected at this stage. The bulk of MM+ hasn't been introduced yet, after all.
If they've opened the system to customers, then I would expect full support, but that's just my opinion :)
 

COProgressFan

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Not true. When we were there in March, and received the new RFID APs, the CMs there stated that you do NOT have to wait for the green. You tap your card, then immediately place your finger on the scanner. Worked every time. I guess I cannot say if it is different for regular park media, but that is how it works for the AP RFID cards. It was much faster for us, but YMMV.


CMs at the gates were instructing us, and others, that we had to wait for it to turn green. This is before they would have even known if we had APs or some other kind of ticket. I'm not sure what the official procedure is, though.
 

luv

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CMs at the gates were instructing us, and others, that we had to wait for it to turn green. This is before they would have even known if we had APs or some other kind of ticket. I'm not sure what the official procedure is, though.
I don't doubt that the staff told you that. :)

You don't have to wait to put your finger on the finger stick. The stick won't read your finger until the green circle shows up on the ball thing, though.

I wonder, too, if this will be any faster. Haven't noticed much more speed, but still hoping. :) Fingers crossed!
 

Furiated

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I always put my card on the ball thing and my finger on the stick thing at the same time...and it works for me. :)

That's how I was doing it. Touch the card to the ball with my finger on the reader at the same time, wait for everything to go green.
 

dadddio

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Thank you for the answers - you seem to be very knowledgeable about this! So it seems then, that you can't make reservations unless everyone in your party has a linked ticket reservation somewhere?
I'm not sure that that is technically correct.

Here's what I understand from the T&C and official info releases:
  • In order to prereserve a FP, you must have a valid ticket associated with your profile.
  • Mulitple profiles can be linked to allow individual members of a group to obtain FPs for other members of the group.
What isn't clear to me is the following:
  • Can FPs be prereserved for only a subset of the linked profiles? For example, if only two members of our family want to ride MS, can we just prereserve FPs for those two people? I assume that the answer is yes. My belief is based on the way that the ADR system currently works. I can make an ADR for three people and then select which members of my family will be included.
  • Must all linked profiles have an associated valid ticket? I assume that this would not be a requirement for a few reasons.
First, I assume that the profile linking is for more purposes than just FP+. It could also be used for things like ADRs and hotel reservations. Both of which would not necessarily require park tickets. Second, tickets that are valid when planning a trip may not be valid during that trip. For instance, person might visit WDW and use up their ticket between the time that the profiles were linked and when the trip occurred or one member of a party might use the last days of a ticket prior to the end of a visit.​
Third, a person may decide not to purchase park tickets until he arrives at WDW.​
The answers to these questions will remain a mystery until TPTB either release the information or turn on FP+. Still, I think that it's safe to say that all members of a linked group for which you are prereserving FPs for must have a valid ticket in their profile. Also, FPs can only be prereserved up to the limit of the valid tickets in a person's profile and according to the rules of those tickets. If you have a valid four-day ticket, you should be able to prereserve FPs for four days within a 14-day span.

(I'm sorry for coming off so pendantic in my first couple of posts, but it's probably best that you guys figure me out going in, right?:D)
 

COProgressFan

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I don't doubt that the staff told you that. :)

You don't have to wait to put your finger on the finger stick. The stick won't read your finger until the green circle shows up on the ball thing, though.

I wonder, too, if this will be any faster. Haven't noticed much more spend, but still hoping. :) Fingers crossed!


What was most interesting to me what how much variability there was during the course of a week in terms of how quickly the Mickey head turned green. Sometimes it was pretty quick. Sometimes, not so much.
 

EvilQueen-T

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i just hope this doesn't kill the fp system. i can deal with all the rest but i like getting fp's for the rides we want, for instance it doesn't do a family any good to have half their fp's for rides their kids are to little to ride, or for my family rides we just don't ride anymore. We use our fp's for tsm, the mountains, rnrc, tot and the like. we just don't do things like dumbo or peter pan anymore. i also hope they don't limit us to only a few fp's per day. i just can't imagine being in the park in the summer, for instance, where they're open from say 9am until midnight or later and having say only 3 or 4 fp's for the whole day with half of them being for things we won't use and if they only allow us to get fp's for a single park per day (heard this rumor on these boards in past) then what's the point of park hopping?
 

dadddio

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i just hope this doesn't kill the fp system. i can deal with all the rest but i like getting fp's for the rides we want, for instance it doesn't do a family any good to have half their fp's for rides their kids are to little to ride, or for my family rides we just don't ride anymore.
Why would you select FPs for rides you don't want them for?
i also hope they don't limit us to only a few fp's per day. i just can't imagine being in the park in the summer, for instance, where they're open from say 9am until midnight or later and having say only 3 or 4 fp's for the whole day with half of them being for things we won't use
Again, I'm at a loss for why you would select FPs that you won't use. I'm also not sure why you think that you will be limited to just a few FPs. According to the releases and the T&C, we should expect to be able to prereserve three FPs per day. In addition to these, we should be able to select same-day FPs up to the number of FPs that you can hold at a time (presumably three or four).
and if they only allow us to get fp's for a single park per day (heard this rumor on these boards in past) then what's the point of park hopping?
The one park per day thing is not a rumor. It's in the T&C. There is some talk that they might allow preselected FPs to be used in park one and then FPs to be pulled in park two once you arrive in park two. However, this is complete and total supposition. More likely, it will be one park only. That doesn't kill park hopping, however. Hopping would actually work pretty much the same as it does now. Hit park one in the morning while lines are short and then hop to the FP+ park for the rest of the day.
 

muteki

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They are expanding FP both in depth and breadth, not contracting it.


You aren't going to be able to have your choice of all available rides at any given time. You will (for example) get to chose one option from group A, one from group B, one from group C.

If most of the E tickets are in the same group, you can see how you will be forced (based on how the system is set up) to making your 3 FPs for the day for Space Mountain, Small World, and Electrical Parade. You might not want/care about the Small World or EP FP, but if they are the best choices available out of those groups, its the only choice you got.

Your 3 choices cannot be for the 3 mountains, by design.
 

dadddio

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You aren't going to be able to have your choice of all available rides at any given time. You will (for example) get to chose one option from group A, one from group B, one from group C.

If most of the E tickets are in the same group, you can see how you will be forced (based on how the system is set up) to making your 3 FPs for the day for Space Mountain, Small World, and Electrical Parade. You might not want/care about the Small World or EP FP, but if they are the best choices available out of those groups, its the only choice you got.

Your 3 choices cannot be for the 3 mountains, by design.
That entire post was supposition that is not supported by any announcement by the company or the T&C. The only part of it that is certainly accurate is that you won't have your choice of any attraction at any time. If there are 100 FPs for a certain slot on SM and you a the 101st person to want that slot, you aren't getting it. You'll need to choose a different slot. The mere fact that FPs will certainly run out under FP+ doesn't ruin the plan. After all, under the current FP plan, FPs run out and you have no ability to preschedule FPs or choose when you schedule them for.
 

muteki

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That entire post was supposition that is not supported by any announcement by the company or the T&C. The only part of it that is certainly accurate is that you won't have your choice of any attraction at any time. If there are 100 FPs for a certain slot on SM and you a the 101st person to want that slot, you aren't getting it. You'll need to choose a different slot. The mere fact that FPs will certainly run out under FP+ doesn't ruin the plan. After all, under the current FP plan, FPs run out and you have no ability to preschedule FPs or choose when you schedule them for.

The exact brackets being used are not formally announced, no. But for each test period over the past 1~2 years that the public could take part in this is how it worked. Screenshots of the attraction groupings and other details of the FP+ trials are buried on the forum here somewhere in the 20+ threads on the subject. This is not new information.

So, granted, nothing is officially announced on the subject. All we have to go on is how things worked during the FP+ trials and we have no reason (yet anyway) to think that the final rollout will be any different. You are welcome to ignore that and cross your fingers and hope for the best...but I'm lowering my expectations.

Edit: Here is an example from last September (WDWMagic news post here: http://www.wdwmagic.com/other/fastp...tpass-advance-experience-reservation-test.htm) I don't think this is the most recent test, but it was the first one I found and not too old.

See this screenshot:
FASTPASS_Full_16367.jpg


So, in the above example, assume not a single FP was reserved yet. Assume you are first in line to get one. You could get fastpasses for Space and Splash, but couldn't therefore get any for Pan or Thunder. Similarly lets say you reserve late and all the HM and JC FPs are gone. Well, you may find yourself with FP's for Dumbo and Barnstormer instead.

Again, none of this is final and is subject to change. But it has been like this for test after test.
 

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