News New Haunted Mansion Grounds Expansion, Retail Shop Coming to Disneyland Resort in 2024

[mickEblu]

It is clear to me because I'm not going just based on that post you provided, but all the posts from that poster that started in this thread last Friday.

Lol and it’s clear to me as I’ve been here for over 10 years and well aware of LB’s posting history.

 

[Disney Irish]

Lol and it’s clear to me as I’ve been here for over 10 years and well aware of LB’s posting history.

I think you misunderstood who I was talking about. I was talking about DrStar who has been only here for 6 months. But really what does the amount of time on this site matter in this regard? I've been here almost as long as you and have had the same interactions with LB as well.

 

[mickEblu]

I think you misunderstood who I was talking about. I was talking about DrStar who has been only here for 6 months. But really what does the amount of time on this site matter in this regard? I've been here almost as long as you and have had the same interactions with LB as well.

No I didn’t misunderstand you.

 

[DrStarlander]

its not just as simple as slapping a dormer (decorative or otherwise) or whatever to the building and you're done. Without a complete structural review and potential redesign, something that Disney isn't likely to take lightly, its not something that is an "easy fix" as you seem to be indicating.

Yes it would be engineered and permitted. Christmas decorations are permitted. But let's be real. Each of the five units (which are each the size of a doghouse and trivial for a scenic shop to fabricate) that I'm describing would be a few hundred pounds. This roof carries more load with roofers walking around on it than what these elements would weigh. Does it need to be calculated, permitted, does the roof need to be opened up, headers and trimmers added, and the roof put back together so it doesn't leak? Yes, but it's just not a big deal. They are adding lighting and speakers and signage and HVAC units to existing structures, and replacing roofs, all the time. Over in Bayou Country they are watering grass on a roof if people really want to worry about water intrusion.

So yes it can be done likely at great time and expense, but the question is is it worth it to Disney when it would be likely cheaper and faster to just tear it down and start over.

No, I don't think it would be a great time or great expense, but we all have our ideas about what's "great." And no, I don't think tearing the one year old structure down to fix it is necessary. The reason Disney is re-using Muppets Courtyard buildings and re-using DinoLand buildings and has been re-using the buildings in Tomorrowland for decades is because of how much cost savings can be achieved by remodeling.

It’s more that scale, scope and complexity are relative. It’s sort of like an old car being in a relatively minor collision but written off as totaled. It’s not that fixing it is really hard but that it’s not considered worth the cost.

Again, I don't think this one-year old building is a write off. It can be remodeled like so many other Disney Parks buildings. Is it worth it? I think so, it looks like garbage right now. Are the bones okay? They're good enough.

My point isn’t that it cannot be done, but that you are significantly downplaying the cost and effort involved, that it is disproportionate to the result.

You seem fixated on how you think I'm conveying the scope of difficulty. I have my own professional experience, you have yours. We just have a different idea of what's more or less difficult. So I guess we're going to disagree.

If it was easy as following the IBC then there wouldn’t be so much litigation in the AEC industry.

All the standards of construction would be followed and, yes, every so often a product fails or a trade screwed up, and there's a lawsuit. That's the construction business. It doesn't stop everything from being built and business-life going on. What are you suggesting, the Walt Disney Co. just throw up its hands and say "We can't build anything because something may go wrong"?

The process as presented by Disney is significantly glossed over. Props aren’t just purchased and then installed. They do get modified and reinforced. A hook is not a prop, it is an attachment method and an overhead one at that which comes with its own set of internal safety requirements that have grown significantly over the years. Again though, it’s not that it cannot be done, it has been done, it just isn’t done in the way you claim with the ease you claim.

Again, to me, this is more snow jobbing. You just keep describing things as a hell of a lot more complicated and risky-sounding than they are. I suspect, over in the Baskin-Robins forum, you would describe an ice cream cone as "a precisely baked wafer vessel for partially enclosing a viscous material of ice crystals and sugar solutes and for it to function it must retain its structural integrity while being held by a child unaccustomed to modulating his or her own strength, increasing the probability of excess pressure being applied and therefore causing a crack which could lead to catastrophic failure and emotional distress."

As for props, I'm not making any comments about what fireproofing or reinforcing or other work is done to the props. I never said they drive from the antique store in Temecula directly to the park and hang it on a wall. They're still acquired in many different ways to begin with, as Kim Irvine describes. You want to keep trying to find an argument here. If your problem is with companies that sell through Etsy (or any online marketplace, weird, but okay), that is not central to my point. I don't care if they buy them through Etsy or eBay or at an antique mall or a catalog or from a company like those below. They're hanging dried flowers, they can make this happen.

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[lazyboy97o]

Actually I don’t think it’s clear to you. Here’s Dr Starlanders post (that wasn’t even for Lazyboy) where it’s clear the intent of this message is to highlight that the issue with Madame Leota’s is more about insufficient talent than budget:




And here’s Lazyboys reply. Where he decides he’s just to going flex his construction knowledge and barely acknowledges the claim Dr. Starlander made.

What point did I miss? I was responding to the claims that modifications would be quick, easy and cheap. Would “nuh uh” have been more to your liking?

 

[mickEblu]

What point did I miss? I was responding to the claims that modifications would be quick, easy and cheap. Would “nuh uh” have been more to your liking?

Lol. I certainly would have preferred it. Would have been less predictable.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes it would be engineered and permitted. Christmas decorations are permitted. But let's be real. Each of the five units (which are each the size of a doghouse and trivial for a scenic shop to fabricate) that I'm describing would be a few hundred pounds. This roof carries more load with roofers walking around on it than what these elements would weigh. Does it need to be calculated, permitted, does the roof need to be opened up, headers and trimmers added, and the roof put back together so it doesn't leak? Yes, but it's just not a big deal. They are adding lighting and speakers and signage and HVAC units to existing structures, and replacing roofs, all the time. Over in Bayou Country they are watering grass on a roof if people really want to worry about water intrusion.

No, I don't think it would be a great time or great expense, but we all have our ideas about what's "great." And no, I don't think tearing the one year old structure down to fix it is necessary. The reason Disney is re-using Muppets Courtyard buildings and re-using DinoLand buildings and has been re-using the buildings in Tomorrowland for decades is because of how much cost savings can be achieved by remodeling.

Sure looking at it from the outside with no corporate bureaucracy involved it may not seem like great time and expense. But having worked in the corporate world now for over 30 years I can tell you that what seems like a minor change that should only cost a couple Hundred Thousand and take 1 month ends up costing Millions and take 18 months.

So just because you think it'll be quick and easy doesn't mean once inside a corporate bureaucracy that it will be.

 

[mlayton144]

Let’s be honest , any way you cut it - it’s a giant turd and needs to be demolished to open up the classic vista. How much merch sales do you think it really pulls

 

[mickEblu]

Let’s be honest , any way you cut it - it’s a giant turd and needs to be demolished to open up the classic vista. How much merch sales do you think it really pulls

Nah. You’re getting off topic. Let’s talk about dormers for another 3 days.

It is a giant turd. Fortunately, it’s only egregiously awful when walking to NOS from Critter Country. In NOS, it’s either not visibile or obscured by trees from most, if not all vantage points.

 

[mlayton144]

Nah. You’re getting off topic. Let’s talk about dormers for another 3 days.

It is a giant turd. Fortunately, it’s only egregiously awful when walking to NOS from Critter Country. In NOS, it’s either not visibile or obscured by trees from most, if not all vantage points.

Ok so it wouldn’t be a turd if I actually visited it and only went northeast from Adventureland/NOS in my next trip to DL ?

 

[mickEblu]

Ok so it wouldn’t be a turd if I actually visited it and only went northeast from Adventureland/NOS in my next trip to DL ?

Lol. Correct. It would be more of a little poop.

Edit: medium sized poop. That thing it’s ugly as hell.

 

[mickEblu]

Ok so it wouldn’t be a turd if I actually visited it and only went northeast from Adventureland/NOS in my next trip to DL ?

Luckily because of Galaxies Edge you never have to actually walk in that direction.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The discussion about whether it would be easy and/or cheap to fix this is kind of irrelevant, it’s a gift shop in (arguably) the best theme park in the world ran by a company that makes tens of billions of dollars a year… the fact they built it on the cheap to save a couple bucks is pathetic, the fact they won’t spend a couple dollars (relatively speaking) to fix this horrible eyesore is even more pathetic.

They’ll lose $100 million on movie after movie but won’t spend a couple hundred grand to fix this… park management should be embarrassed they approved this in the first place and they should be sparing no expense to fix it.