New Gondola Capacity?

[larryz]

Actually if they use articulated buses then they need less than 45 going between a resort and park to beat the capacity of the gondolas as those type buses hold 112 people... And if you were reallying trying to move the people faster from one resort to a park you wouldn't even be forced to have all the buses depart from a central point at the resort or even make a loop to each bus stop on the resorts bus loop, you could have buses that only went to a specific point at the resort. It might make it more confusing for the people returning to make sure they got on the right bus, but in the end there buses have one major advantage over the gondolas and that is the ability to switch their routes. If for some wacky reason Disney decided it wanted ultimate service to one resort and a park they could easily slam half their fleet of buses going between those two points, it wouldn't be anything I would ever expect but in theory it is possible.

Q: How many red lights will the gondolas have to stop and wait for?
A:

Spoiler

None. Nor will they have to wait for traffic, or pedestrians, or anything else blocking their way.

 

[networkpro]

Each gondola will carry about 100 portions of Flametree proto BBQ.

 

[thomas998]

Based on speculation from @liftblog, who works in the industry and has his own blog on gondola systems. And based on his observations of the unique double bullwheel system that has been installed.

Passive ventilation works well in all climes, and the best known system with a/c is reknowned for it not working more often than working properly. At 11mph, and with solar reflecting glass, I think people will cope for the 5 minutes that they’ll be inside a gondola car.

And gondola systems work just fine going up mountains with far more wind than a normal day in Orlando.

But since nothing seems to satisfy you, we’ll just have to wait until it opens.

Well to begin with the thread you directed me to to begin with listed Misterpenguin as the person responsible for the speculation, but frankly there can be lots of people speculating and in the end it is still speculation even if the person speculating works for a company that operates gondolas it is still speculation as to the design Disney will use.
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Therein lies the problem... until the system is up and running no one really knows how it will fair. Even then I'm sure some people will not find any problem with the ventilation and others will. As for windy

Q: How many red lights will the gondolas have to stop and wait for?
A:

Spoiler

None. Nor will they have to wait for traffic, or pedestrians, or anything else blocking their way.

And if something forces you to stop the gondola for any reason at all how many of them can be routed around the problem - none.

Reality is there are strengths and weaknesses to both methods of transportation.

I still wonder what will happen during lightning storms. Gondolas aren't immune from being struck, and even the best system for averting lightning strikes isn't 100% effective. 99.7% effective is what a lightning protection company promises when it installs its equipment on gondola systems. Frankly given the number of lightning strikes in Florida I'm willing to bet their system will be hit by lightning sometime in the first couple of years it is in service. No idea what the impact of a strike will be, but historically gondola have been stopped when hit by lightning so who knows what will happen.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Dedicated accessible loading isn’t speculation.

Ventilation working isn’t speculation.

Throughput isn’t speculation.

 

[donsullivan]

Adding buses or larger buses is not the answer here. One of the primary reasons for putting this system in place is to get vehicles(including buses) off the roads. They cannot keep expanding the roads endlessly to support more and more vehicles. The gondola system is specifically intended to get motor vehicles off the roads. Throwing bigger buses is going in the opposite direction.

 

[Lensman]

Well to begin with the thread you directed me to to begin with listed Misterpenguin as the person responsible for the speculation, but frankly there can be lots of people speculating and in the end it is still speculation even if the person speculating works for a company that operates gondolas it is still speculation as to the design Disney will use.

@Lift Blog confirmed that Disney will use CWA OMEGA IV-10 SI D cabins. In fact, the main thread has a couple of pictures of the cabin.
1. This post has a picture of a test cabin hanging at the DHS station:
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/new-gondola-transportation-disney-skyliner.924477/post-8376838
2. And we have the posts referencing pictures of the gondola cabins that were spotted on a truck:
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/new-gondola-transportation-disney-skyliner.924477/post-8260581
3. As well as the wdwmagic article on this spotting:
https://www.wdwmagic.com/transporta...otos---disney-skyliner-cabins-now-on-site.htm

Edited to add: Just to be clear @MisterPenguin isn't the source of all definitive speculation in that thread. I'm not sure how you got that idea or what you're really saying about him. He is undeniably the best at measuring distances and draws the best scale diagrams of projected new attractions and other structures using Google Earth, though.

And if something forces you to stop the gondola for any reason at all how many of them can be routed around the problem - none.

Gondola systems where cabins detach from the line at the station have relatively speaking much fewer issues with having to stop the line. Also, it's not like a chair lift where people regularly fall getting on or off the chair. In addition, We've gathered from the thread and pictures of the station that there are extra-long boarding and disembarkation areas for the Skyliner installation, as well as what is guessed to be a second boarding area for ECV boarding. There's dozens of pages of discussion of this on the main thread, and the wonderful thing is that for any question you might have, you just have to keep reading and all are answered.

Another strength that the system has is that it can be highly reliable and have multiple failovers and backups to keep it in operation.

Reality is there are strengths and weaknesses to both methods of transportation.

That's a truism.

I still wonder what will happen during lightning storms. Gondolas aren't immune from being struck, and even the best system for averting lightning strikes isn't 100% effective. 99.7% effective is what a lightning protection company promises when it installs its equipment on gondola systems. Frankly given the number of lightning strikes in Florida I'm willing to bet their system will be hit by lightning sometime in the first couple of years it is in service. No idea what the impact of a strike will be, but historically gondola have been stopped when hit by lightning so who knows what will happen.

This is discussed at length 14 separate times in the original thread. The gist of the speculation on how Disney will handle it is that they will stop operation of the system when there is an active lighting storm anticipated, much like many of the outdoor attractions are stopped. It's still an open question whether the stoppages would be lengthy enough to merit Disney dispatching backup buses to take up the slack.

Like you said, nothing is 100% certain until the system is in operation or unless we get a leak of the operations manual for the system. But if you're one to really be interested in the corner cases of such a system as I am, I can heartily recommend spending the days to read the main thread in full. It is truly rewarding. One "feature" is that you never have to reread anything because the same questions come up again and again, so if you didn't understand something fully reading it the first time, don't worry, you'll have at least a dozen opportunities to understand it when the issue is addressed the next time it comes up.

 

[nickys]

@Lift Blog confirmed that Disney will use CWA OMEGA IV-10 SI D cabins. In fact, the main thread has a couple of pictures of the cabin.
1. This post has a picture of a test cabin hanging at the DHS station:
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/new-gondola-transportation-disney-skyliner.924477/post-8376838
2. And we have the posts referencing pictures of the gondola cabins that were spotted on a truck:
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/new-gondola-transportation-disney-skyliner.924477/post-8260581
3. As well as the wdwmagic article on this spotting:
https://www.wdwmagic.com/transporta...otos---disney-skyliner-cabins-now-on-site.htm

Edited to add: Just to be clear @MisterPenguin isn't the source of all definitive speculation in that thread. I'm not sure how you got that idea or what you're really saying about him. He is undeniably the best at measuring distances and draws the best scale diagrams of projected new attractions and other structures using Google Earth, though.


Gondola systems where cabins detach from the line at the station have relatively speaking much fewer issues with having to stop the line. Also, it's not like a chair lift where people regularly fall getting on or off the chair. In addition, We've gathered from the thread and pictures of the station that there are extra-long boarding and disembarkation areas for the Skyliner installation, as well as what is guessed to be a second boarding area for ECV boarding. There's dozens of pages of discussion of this on the main thread, and the wonderful thing is that for any question you might have, you just have to keep reading and all are answered.

Another strength that the system has is that it can be highly reliable and have multiple failovers and backups to keep it in operation.


That's a truism.


This is discussed at length 14 separate times in the original thread. The gist of the speculation on how Disney will handle it is that they will stop operation of the system when there is an active lighting storm anticipated, much like many of the outdoor attractions are stopped. It's still an open question whether the stoppages would be lengthy enough to merit Disney dispatching backup buses to take up the slack.

Like you said, nothing is 100% certain until the system is in operation or unless we get a leak of the operations manual for the system. But if you're one to really be interested in the corner cases of such a system as I am, I can heartily recommend spending the days to read the main thread in full. It is truly rewarding. One "feature" is that you never have to reread anything because the same questions come up again and again, so if you didn't understand something fully reading it the first time, don't worry, you'll have at least a dozen opportunities to understand it when the issue is addressed the next time it comes up.

Just to explain, @MisterPenguin maintains a Rumour and Timeline Tracker thread, which is why in the first post @danlb_2000 refers to info from him when he added the summary to the start. @danlb_2000 . is the expert on all things permits related, (and maintains the Permits thread), and it is due to him and a couple of others, that we had the details on this long before anything was announced.

And @Lift Blog joined the site and started to explain what was happening, when there was some actual evidence to discuss - such as stations being built, cabins etc.