New DAS System at Walt Disney World 2024

nickys

Premium Member
I'm not sure what you're arguing against.

I'm just saying there should be consistency in how the rules are applied.

If DAS is limited to 2 people or 4 people, then that's the rule. You can't make an exception for "family" but not other groups.
There’s a world of difference between a family of Mum, Dad and 3 kids and a group of 5 adults.

If Mum in the first group has a disability what would you suggest? The only reasonable solution is to keep them together.

The accommodation is needs based, not rule based. Not everyone has the same needs. And that means the accommodation may vary between groups.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
Please don’t think I’m judging or saying anything that you are doing is wrong…but in a perfect world I do think out of fairness it might benefit Disney and everyone else to prevent DAS guests to holding 2 “standby” slots at once (and I have a DAS user in my family, so I’m not speaking as someone who isn’t empathic to those with special needs)… and I don’t at all blame those or hold it against anyone for doing that right now, because Disney openly encourages it.
I do think if they discouraged it, it might make the pass less attractive to those who seek it dishonestly. And that would benefit everyone, especially all the legitimate DAS users who need to be able to access the attractions with the shortest wait possible. But like I said, as someone with a couple of special needs family members i totally get why a family might be trying to distract a child with special need while they are waiting to go on a favorite attraction.
It’s a real shame that dishonest people are making it so that people who need help are looked at as potential fakers.
I don’t know how operationally Disney would cut out the “two places at once” issue here. Require tapping in to each line? Turning away a guest because they are “in line” for a different attraction?
 

Fido Chuckwagon

Well-Known Member
Part of what I haven’t been able to wrap my head around in this discussion is why DAS users are supposedly bumping up wait times so much, when they are supposed to effectively be “standby users waiting in a different location”. Hypothetically - again, hypothetically - they shouldn’t impact waits any more than a standby user. That they are having such an impact makes me suspect that Disney’s math is wrong somewhere.
Looking at the whole thing in terms of wait times is where you are going wrong and where many DAS posters in this thread are going wrong when they don’t understand why DAS is having such a huge impact. It’s not about wait times, it’s about capacity. Each ride has only a certain amount of throughput per day. That amount is finite and cannot go up. That ride will never be able to accommodate more than ‘X’ users per day. DAS users are hoovering up a huge amount of ride capacity from the popular rides. The reason they are able to do this is because standby lines are a limiting factor that discourage people from riding certain rides. You may really love Rise of the Resistance, but there aren’t a ton of people willing (or able) to wait 3 hours for it. Or even if you’re willing to do that once, you’re not willing to do that multiple times per day, so the average guest rides less, or rides less desirable attractions/shows. This disincentive does not exist for the DAS user, so they, on aggregate, go on far more of the desirable rides than the non-DAS user, thus gobbling up so much of the overall capacity, and thus driving up standby lines in the aggregate a lot.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
That’s why I wonder if capping it so you can request a DAS every 2 hours or something like that would help. Still gives people access to shorter lines but maybe less double dipping.
The only way to make that equal is to ban DAS holders from buying genie…and they’re not gonna do that

So instead they’re gonna choke off access to DAS.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I don’t know how operationally Disney would cut out the “two places at once” issue here. Require tapping in to each line? Turning away a guest because they are “in line” for a different attraction?
They’re never gonna do that

So the option they’re taking is best for business: try to cut way down on DAS to make genie look more attractive for sale
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
There’s a world of difference between a family of Mum, Dad and 3 kids and a group of 5 adults.

If Mum in the first group has a disability what would you suggest? The only reasonable solution is to keep them together.

The accommodation is needs based, not rule based. Not everyone has the same needs. And that means the accommodation may vary between groups.

Except having the nametags decide “need” on a case by case kicks open the floodgates to what they have now…gaming the system.

Anyone who has worked guest services knows that if you’re standing face to face with someone, they can throw every tactic in the book at you. Some devious…some sympathetic unintentionally. That’s why they have to set firm rules…and why they’re saying no day of anymore.
Human nature…basically
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
Looking at the whole thing in terms of wait times is where you are going wrong and where many DAS posters in this thread are going wrong when they don’t understand why DAS is having such a huge impact. It’s not about wait times, it’s about capacity. Each ride has only a certain amount of throughput per day. That amount is finite and cannot go up. That ride will never be able to accommodate more than ‘X’ users per day. DAS users are hoovering up a huge amount of ride capacity from the popular rides. The reason they are able to do this is because standby lines are a limiting factor that discourage people from riding certain rides. You may really love Rise of the Resistance, but there aren’t a ton of people willing (or able) to wait 3 hours for it. Or even if you’re willing to do that once, you’re not willing to do that multiple times per day, so the average guest rides less, or rides less desirable attractions/shows. This disincentive does not exist for the DAS user, so they, on aggregate, go on far more of the desirable rides than the non-DAS user, thus gobbling up so much of the overall capacity, and thus driving up standby lines in the aggregate a lot.
That could hypothetically be true. It seems like the physical standby lines just get longer and longer, not that people are “giving up and moving on to something else”, but that’s just my anecdotal impression. (Waited like an hour for Magic Carpets last time I was there.) Obviously I don’t have actual data on how many people decide not to ride something based on the current wait though.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
It's truly baffling that some believe that using DAS, which allows you to bypass standard lines, and then buying Genie+, which allows you to bypass standard lines, is somehow OK because "it's my money and Disney wants me to spend it". It's abusing the system for your own selfish reasons. Rationalization at its worst. Your actions have consequences. And now you're seeing what they are.

Wake me when there is something truly news-worthy posted in this thread.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
It's truly baffling that some believe that using DAS, which allows you to bypass standard lines, and then buying Genie+, which allows you to bypass standard lines, is somehow OK because "it's my money and Disney wants me to spend it". It's abusing the system for your own selfish reasons. Rationalization at its worst. Your actions have consequences. And now you're seeing what they are.

Wake me when there is something truly news-worthy posted in this thread.
I doubt that there are really that many that do both - though I do know @Splash4eva claims to do so, and a family friend with T1D does on her visits - but I don’t see how having a disability accommodation (which is supposed to confer equal access to the guest) means the company gets to prohibit the disabled from buying G+. There’s no prohibition to the general public buying it other than the finite slots they offer per day with a preference towards onsite guests.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I doubt that there are really that many that do both - though I do know @Splash4eva claims to do so, and a family friend with T1D does on her visits - but I don’t see how having a disability accommodation (which is supposed to confer equal access to the guest) means the company gets to prohibit the disabled from buying G+. There’s no prohibition to the general public buying it other than the finite slots they offer per day with a preference towards onsite guests.
The general public cannot get DAS. If you need DAS, why do you also need Genie+?
 

Happyday

Well-Known Member
That could hypothetically be true. It seems like the physical standby lines just get longer and longer, not that people are “giving up and moving on to something else”, but that’s just my anecdotal impression. (Waited like an hour for Magic Carpets last time I was there.) Obviously I don’t have actual data on how many people decide not to ride something based on the current wait though.
Wow Magic carpets is a walk on when we go. This is why we go then so we don't impact as many people. We are really conscious and concerned about how the extra time we take impacts others.
 

Angel Ariel

Well-Known Member
It's truly baffling that some believe that using DAS, which allows you to bypass standard lines, and then buying Genie+, which allows you to bypass standard lines, is somehow OK because "it's my money and Disney wants me to spend it". It's abusing the system for your own selfish reasons. Rationalization at its worst. Your actions have consequences. And now you're seeing what they are.

Wake me when there is something truly news-worthy posted in this thread.
And yet on the other end, there's been posts in this thread saying the opposite - that if das users weren't also buying genie+, then it shows they were abusing DAS.

Basically in this thread and others on other boards - there is no "winning" for DAS users. Either they are cheating because they get genie+ too, or are cheating because they don't and somehow have a similar day to an average guest.
 

Hockey89

Well-Known Member
I doubt that there are really that many that do both - though I do know @Splash4eva claims to do so, and a family friend with T1D does on her visits - but I don’t see how having a disability accommodation (which is supposed to confer equal access to the guest) means the company gets to prohibit the disabled from buying G+. There’s no prohibition to the general public buying it other than the finite slots they offer per day with a preference towards onsite guests.
All four friends/family that use DAS also buy genie # so they can get on as many rides as possible without waits.... Best of both worlds as they say it. Add in the rope drop its 15 rides with ease at MK before lunch..
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
The general public cannot get DAS. If you need DAS, why do you also need Genie+?
The general public cannot park in handicapped parking spaces. If they have those, why can they park in non-handicapped spaces?

It’s not about “need”* - it’s about access.

* This need issue is often confused in this context. “I’ve become accustomed to DAS and I ‘need’ it because I have IBS and can’t wait in line long.” ADA isn’t concerned with subjective need - it’s whether the company is reasonable in an accommodation it offers.
 

ConfettiCupcake

Well-Known Member
DAS and Genie+ make sense as a combo when you view DAS as standby, elsewhere. I don’t think there’s a world in which Disney ever discourages purchases of Genie+ when you hold DAS. They aren’t the same, especially when you’re simply using DAS for its intended purpose (to keep out of lines and access attractions).

You can certainly leverage both to get a better than average experience in a way that a non DAS guest can’t, but I wouldn’t be surprised if these changes are really clamping down on that by way of limiting the DAS accommodations to those who can’t tour without it (and I would assume are less likely to be able to take full advantage) by removing those who can be accommodated in some other less advantageous way.
 

phillip9698

Well-Known Member
That would create a disadvantage for the DAS guest as the non-disabled guest can get several attractions done in two hours using standby.

If the non disabled person can get multiple attractions done in 2 hours by getting in standby that means there was a very minimal wait for those rides. If so then that DAS person could also have went through those very short queues.

There is nothing that states the DAS guest must exclusively use the LL.
 

Splash4eva

Well-Known Member
I doubt that there are really that many that do both - though I do know @Splash4eva claims to do so, and a family friend with T1D does on her visits - but I don’t see how having a disability accommodation (which is supposed to confer equal access to the guest) means the company gets to prohibit the disabled from buying G+. There’s no prohibition to the general public buying it other than the finite slots they offer per day with a preference towards onsite guests.
If i still had my screenshots after each purchase i would have posted them to prove my “claims” not sure why anyone would lie about their purchases.
 

Brian

Well-Known Member
If the non disabled person can get multiple attractions done in 2 hours by getting in standby that means there was a very minimal wait for those rides. If so then that DAS person could also have went through those very short queues.

There is nothing that states the DAS guest must exclusively use the LL.
Not necessarily. There could be three attractions with 30 minute waits. Assuming a ride time of under 10 minutes, they could accomplish three in two hours. A 30 minute wait time is likely too long for the DAS target demographic, though individual circumstances may vary.

Restricting DAS users to making one selection every two hours would put them at a disadvantage in situations like this.
 

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