MK New Buzz Lightyear’s Space Ranger Spin Updates Coming to Walt Disney World

[flynnibus]

I don't understand posters on a message board devoted to WDW complaining that Disney gave them information about an attraction at WDW. Isn't that why this site and message board exist in the first place, because people want information about WDW???

Maybe they should just post the lights on ride through before opening. I mean how could anyone be bothered by that? It’s just sharing more info right?

Ever think someone is thinking beyond their personal curiosity to know something… and might be critical of how the company is managing itself for its best impact?

 

[Professortango1]

I never said you said that. I said that something doesn't gave to be a major attraction for people to care about it because there has been an attitude in this thread that the ride isn't important enough to merit the extensive marketing campaign of a single blog post and a quick social media video.

The pre-internet days are in the distant past. Disney has to adapt for the reality of today, not what some posters on an internet message board (ironically enough) want. I don't understand posters on a message board devoted to WDW complaining that Disney gave them information about an attraction at WDW. Isn't that why this site and message board exist in the first place, because people want information about WDW???

I think we just recognize it as one of the aspects of current Disney that ends up backfiring on Disney. Disney over-promising and under-delivering is a known joke, even amongst normies now. As someone who works in Sales and Marketing as well as Entertainment, this doesn't create strong rewards for those who are loyal and whittles away at customer loyalty and brand-identity. Disney's first time building an attraction under the strong watch of a modern internet was Finding Nemo in California. And boy did they botch it. With marketing like this.

Plus, you insist on mischaracterizing the argument time and time again. I can now assume it must be purposeful as you've been corrected several times that we are not complaining about Disney giving the public information on new features or improvements. You have bult and beaten and rebuilt this strawman so many times. Leave the poor scarecrow alone.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Maybe they should just post the lights on ride through before opening. I mean how could anyone be bothered by that? It’s just sharing more info right?

Ever think someone is thinking beyond their personal curiosity to know something… and might be critical of how the company is managing itself for its best impact?

You still haven't said how this announcement is actually a bad thing. What specifically has been harmed? What "best impact" was ruined here by a blog post and short video? How would keeping it a secret benefit anyone?

To frame it another way: Nobody is missing anything by having this information. It's not driving attendance, but it shows that they aren't stopping efforts to make the parks better with just the announced thingss like Villain's Land, the Monsters Inc. door coaster in DHS, and Tropical Americas.

But let's say they kept it a secret and just let guests discover it when it reopened. How is that helpful for guests? What about families who see Disney news on social media but aren't glued to Facebook or Instagram when in the parks? So someone gets home after a visit and then finds out that Buzz had new features that they missed because they decided to skip it in favor of something else. Is that person/family benefiting from the secret upgrade that some here seem to want for some reason?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Fun fact: The sole reason for bringing back a nighttime electric light parade is to herald the fixing of the ground lights in EPCOT's hub!

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I think we just recognize it as one of the aspects of current Disney that ends up backfiring on Disney. Disney over-promising and under-delivering is a known joke, even amongst normies now. As someone who works in Sales and Marketing as well as Entertainment, this doesn't create strong rewards for those who are loyal and whittles away at customer loyalty and brand-identity. Disney's first time building an attraction under the strong watch of a modern internet was Finding Nemo in California. And boy did they botch it. With marketing like this.

Plus, you insist on mischaracterizing the argument time and time again. I can now assume it must be purposeful as you've been corrected several times that we are not complaining about Disney giving the public information on new features or improvements. You have bult and beaten and rebuilt this strawman so many times. Leave the poor scarecrow alone.

People have literally said that Disney shouldn't have announced it and let it be a pleasant surprise when it reopened or that it was somehow a waste of resources. Just above your own comment, someone compared this announcement to Disney posting a video of a lights-on ride through for a ride, so how can you say that people aren't complaining about the announcement itself?

And I'm not sure where you are making a connection between this announcement and overpromising/underdelivering. Where is the "overpromise" here? They showed the new blasters and new targets, which are similar to what they use in other parks. Nothing in the blog post or video - or in any reasonable interpretation of them - is painting this as some grand makeover that should cause this to be some early LL sellout or anything along those lines. The reaction from most people has been, "Oh, this is a nice and much-needed bit of TLC."

 

[RosR9]

 

[Professortango1]

People have literally said that Disney shouldn't have announced it and let it be a pleasant surprise when it reopened or that it was somehow a waste of resources. Just above your own comment, someone compared this announcement to Disney posting a video of a lights-on ride through for a ride, so how can you say that people aren't complaining about the announcement itself?

And I'm not sure where you are making a connection between this announcement and overpromising/underdelivering. Where is the "overpromise" here? They showed the new blasters and new targets, which are similar to what they use in other parks. Nothing in the blog post or video - or in any reasonable interpretation of them - is painting this as some grand makeover that should cause this to be some early LL sellout or anything along those lines. The reaction from most people has been, "Oh, this is a nice and much-needed bit of TLC."

Once again, you keep claiming that people are against Disney giving us information. I haven't seen Anybody argue that.

Person A: Man, that trailer gave too much away. I hate that trailers are so long and reveal so much now.

Your argument: Oh, so showing things from the movie in trailers is bad??? Movie companies just shouldn't make trailers anymore????

Person B: Man, I saw a trailer for that movie years ago? I thought it has already came and went.

Your argument: Oh, so movie companies should just wait to advertise until the last possible second???? That unrealistic!!!

You keep conflating people having an issue with the "how" and the "when" with the "what."

 

[Sir_Cliff]

You keep conflating people having an issue with the "how" and the "when" with the "what."

Can I genuinely ask from a position of good faith what the argument is from the position of there being no issue with Disney announcing these upgrades to Buzz what the appropriate "when" and "what" would be?

I'm struggling to follow the criticism, but I am getting the impression we're all talking past each other.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

again, you keep claiming that people are against Disney giving us information. I haven't seen Anybody argue that.

Person A: Man, that trailer gave too much away. I hate that trailers are so long and reveal so much now.

Your argument: Oh, so showing things from the movie in trailers is bad??? Movie companies just shouldn't make trailers anymore????

Person B: Man, I saw a trailer for that movie years ago? I thought it has already came and went.

Your argument: Oh, so movie companies should just wait to advertise until the last possible second???? That unrealistic!!!

You keep conflating people having an issue with the "how" and the "when" with the "what."

Are these bolded quotes below not suggesting that the information should have been kept quiet until the ride reopened? You're right that others have questioned the "how" though, although I still haven't seen anyone actually make a serious case for why the "how" is a problem.

Disney just fixed the cannons on Disneyland's Rise out of nowhere. No fluffy "we're adding some dynamic brand-new elements to this attraction that is going to dramatically change your experience." They just were fixed and Disney put out a post with something akin to "they're back!" It was perfect. A cute little surprise. The new guns and targets and such could have been a great little surprise.

But that wasn't "out of nowhere". They've been attempting to fix them, as far as I'm aware, since mid-2022. I heard directly from a trusted source that Christmas 2022 was when they were planning to have the cannons working again.

I agree, otherwise - Re-opening the ride to, "Surprise! New guns and new targets!" would have been a better plan.

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

I can't tell from the video but I'm hoping each Blaster uses a color-coded identification system.

Example would be Player 1 wields a red-lit Blaster with corresponding red laser and Player 2 uses a green-lit Blaster... for easier distinction between players' shots. For an added bonus, each blaster could be both transmitter and receiver, incorporating a feedback system that provides visual confirmation of a successful hit in the respective player colors and built-in haptic feedback from the blaster when fired.

Unlikely, I'm sure.

Curious to know if the new interactive targets just light up when triggered or if they'll light (in this example either Red or Green) to denote which player landed a successful hit.

In any case, it's sure to be better than what is there currently.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I would still bet on elio if that film is a big success.

Only “bankable” props are used for parks.

The one and only exception was its tough to be a bug opening before the movie

Usually it takes decades.

So elio…which is not likely to be big…turns out to be huge…you can revisit this kinda thing in 2032

Here’s the deal. And I’m never accused of being positive, patient or promoting of anything in parks.

…basically anything that starts with “p”

But that aside…this buzz redo is a GREAT thing

Because it reverses the awful trend in Florida of overlaying rides they’ve let rot to save bucks with new IP to increase crowds while often taking out seats.

The last thing we need is another skin.

This is a victory. Buzz is established…it’s got the 25 year park history that people appreciate. Its good for all ages and he has a cutesy little space lasers…

Take the W…put this one on the scoreboard

 

[Professortango1]

Can I genuinely ask from a position of good faith what the argument is from the position of there being no issue with Disney announcing these upgrades to Buzz what the appropriate "when" and "what" would be?

I'm struggling to follow the criticism, but I am getting the impression we're all talking past each other.

Me personally, if the update is as minor as depicted, I would save this marketing for the day it reopens. And instead of using concept art, show actual ride footage and some bits of people riding the ride.

With Disney's track record, they need to show us what they accomplished for us rather than telling us all their bright plans that never turn out.

The bonus of the instant reveal is you can reward people's need for instant gratification. They will see the ad copy. They will see people posting about it online. It goes semi viral for a bit and it feeds into itself in a positive way.

 

[Agent H]

Only “bankable” props are used for parks.

The one and only exception was its tough to be a bug opening before the movie

Usually it takes decades.

So elio…which is not likely to be big…turns out to be huge…you can revisit this kinda thing in 2032

Here’s the deal. And I’m never accused of being positive, patient or promoting of anything in parks.

…basically anything that starts with “p”

But that aside…this buzz redo is a GREAT thing

Because it reverses the awful trend in Florida of overlaying rides they’ve let rot to save bucks with new IP to increase crowds while often taking out seats.

The last thing we need is another skin.

This is a victory. Buzz is established…it’s got the 25 year park history that people appreciate. Its good for all ages and he has a cutesy little space lasers…

Take the W…put this one on the scoreboard

Don’t get me wrong. I’m very happy this is happening. I’ve been hoping for this update for 6 years. I’m well aware that any retheme is at least 5 years away.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Don’t get me wrong. I’m very happy this is happening. I’ve been hoping for this update for 6 years. I’m well aware that any retheme is at least 5 years away.

You don’t want a retheme…is the point

You want something new near it in an unused spot.

Been at this for a number of decades…and the reason they are not being run well is they are not learning from ALL the lessons learned over a long Parks history…instead pushing and doubling down on a philosophy that is starting to collapse

 

[Agent H]

You don’t want a retheme…is the point

You want something new near it in an unused spot.

Been at this for a number of decades…and the reason they are not being run well is they are not learning from ALL the lessons learned over a long Parks history…instead pushing and doubling down on a philosophy that is starting to collapse

Sorry for misunderstanding your point. Your posts have a tendency to be a bit confusing IMO. That’s a fair point that they should be expanding.

 

[HauntedPirate]

You don’t want a retheme…is the point

You want something new near it in an unused spot.

Been at this for a number of decades…and the reason they are not being run well is they are not learning from ALL the lessons learned over a long Parks history…instead pushing and doubling down on a philosophy that is starting to collapse

Well, when your CEO’s playbook is two (worn out and fading) 3x5 index cards… not to mention the unprecedented levels of hubris exhibited by those in charge of the parks during said reign.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You want something new near it in an unused spot.

And then there is laugh floor next door as well….

 

[Gusey]

I can't tell from the video but I'm hoping each Blaster uses a color-coded identification system.

Example would be Player 1 wields a red-lit Blaster with corresponding red laser and Player 2 uses a green-lit Blaster... for easier distinction between players' shots. For an added bonus, each blaster could be both transmitter and receiver, incorporating a feedback system that provides visual confirmation of a successful hit in the respective player colors and built-in haptic feedback from the blaster when fired.

Unlikely, I'm sure.

Curious to know if the new interactive targets just light up when triggered or if they'll light (in this example either Red or Green) to denote which player landed a successful hit.

In any case, it's sure to be better than what is there currently.

From the blog post:
"And, if you’ve ever wondered where you’re aiming (don’t worry, you’re not alone), these enhanced blasters will now include an always-on laser and come in two different colors per star cruiser, in addition to new lighting, sound and vibration effects, so players know where they’re aiming throughout the mission. "

 

[flynnibus]

You still haven't said how this announcement is actually a bad thing. What specifically has been harmed? What "best impact" was ruined here by a blog post and short video? How would keeping it a secret benefit anyone?

I have you just don’t seem capable of reading what peoole said versus what you think they are saying…

Anticipation.. surprise.. glee... these are all emotions incompatible with the 30second video generations. They need everything now, so they can jump onto the next thing. And then they wonder why they feel unsatisfied...

Imagine how much traffic the 'rumor' and anticipation of show upgrades would have generated.. along with teases that it was happening to help hold people over.. finishing with a nice presentation of the final product when its done to entice people to come and see it.

Instead... we pop our cherry probably 18months early.. overselling what you are doing... so by the time you actually deliver it.. people have already taken it for granted and have moved onto 16million other things. "marketing"

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I have you just don’t seem capable of reading what peoole said versus what you think they are saying…

I saw it. My point stands. These complaints all seem "Old man tells at cloud" to me. There's no benefit to guests or Disney to wait until the refurb is done to tell people about the changes. The anticipation you speak of could only result in people creating unrealistic expectations for what's being done. You talk about people "moving on" to other things as if this announcement was ever intended or expected to drive attendance when it isn't. There also wasn't anything that indicates this won't reopen until September 2026, which would be the 18 months you stated.

But if you want some mystery, they teased the new targets open "the door for a few other ideas Imagineers have in mind."