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[jt04]

I couldn't have said it better myself. :sohappy:

I'm just asking someone to answer my question. I'm not trying to antagonize, just understand the thinking of many here.

 

[Horizonsfan]

But that doesn't make sense to me with all due respect. Everyone wants new attractions. I'm sure everyone at TDO would want new attractions for their kids and grand kids to enjoy. Plus they would always have that as a legacy their kids and grand kids could brag about. I mean they have to be every bit the fans of Disney that we are.

No they don't, unfortunately. That's wherein the problem lies, for too many in TDO and for Rasulo, it's just a nice paycheck.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

But that doesn't make sense to me with all due respect. Everyone wants new attractions. I'm sure everyone at TDO would want new attractions for their kids and grand kids to enjoy. Plus they would always have that as a legacy their kids and grand kids could brag about. I mean they have to be every bit the fans of Disney that we are.

Honestly...They are suits. You really think people like Meg Crofton cares for Disney when on C25 the flubs her lines and calls AA the American Pavilion and thinks that the original opening for EPCOT Center was done on the FoN Stage?

They treat it as a job, jt. These are not Fanboys, or Walt's, or even Lasseter's. To me....It seems they want the money. If they did love Disney at one point...Like when they ONCE worked and began with the company...They don't act like it now.

 

[jt04]

JT, to me, and this is only an opinion and not fact, but, to me it seems that TDO is only interested in themselves and they think guests are dummies... Bigger paychecks, fat bonuses, move on up in the company leaving a mess for their predecessors, who cares as long as they get paid...

Thanks for jumping in dxer......

.....but if Wall Street etc. is saying they could make MORE money by building new attractions, then I would think those who are "just in it for the money" would be begging corporate for more money for new attractions.

I don't know? :shrug:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I couldn't have said it better myself. :sohappy:

Thank you!

JT, to me, and this is only an opinion and not fact, but, to me it seems that TDO is only interested in themselves and they think guests are dummies... Bigger paychecks, fat bonuses, move on up in the company leaving a mess for their predecessors, who cares as long as they get paid...

Yes, exactly. Easy way out, and no passion. They don't have personal ties to the company. It's a Walmart to them. Get the guest in- out- add some "magic". done.

I'm just asking someone to answer my question. I'm not trying to antagonize, just understand the thinking of many here.

I answered your question.

No they don't, unfortunately. That's wherein the problem lies, for too many in TDO and for Rasulo, it's just a nice paycheck.

Yes, exactly.

Thanks for jumping in dxer......

.....but if Wall Street etc. is saying they could make MORE money by building new attractions, then I would think those who are "just in it for the money" would be begging corporate for more money for new attractions.

I don't know? :shrug:

They are already making enough without risking anything, in their eyes.

Honestly, it's a stupid approach. Even if they DO risk closing something or doing something new...People will still come. It's DISNEY. If it has that label...It's bound to get interest. Or, at least...It used to.

 

[jt04]

Honestly...They are suits. You really think people like Meg Crofton cares for Disney when on C25 the flubs her lines and calls AA the American Pavilion and thinks that the original opening for EPCOT Center was done on the FoN Stage?

They treat it as a job, jt. These are not Fanboys, or Walt's, or even Lasseter's. To me....It seems they want the money. If they did love Disney at one point...Like when they ONCE worked and began with the company...They don't act like it now.

I agree if they are just going through the motions and collecting a pay check they need to go. But would it be possible to get all the way to VP if they were not fans? Some people get nervous speaking in public especially with all the stuff that goes on on line. But I agree, if they don't care they shouldn't be there and they should have the class to move on and let people who are passionate about the job takeover.

I volunteer.

 

[GymLeaderPhil]

Thanks for jumping in dxer......

.....but if Wall Street etc. is saying they could make MORE money by building new attractions, then I would think those who are "just in it for the money" would be begging corporate for more money for new attractions.

I don't know? :shrug:

TDO is by every stretch of the imagination a fiscally conservative group. Building new attractions requires guaranteed financial results. Why would any executive put themselves in a risky position by requesting a new attraction when they can simply repackage, leave alone, or close an attraction all together to show that their budgets are way below what was allotted? This in turn results in a better performance review and better bonuses at the end of the month.

It's not an atmosphere of what's good for the guest, the show, or the company in the long run. Ultimately it comes down to these executives meeting their quotas and just getting by month to month.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I agree if they are just going through the motions and collecting a pay check they need to go. But would it be possible to get all the way to VP if they were not fans? Some people get nervous speaking in public especially with all the stuff that goes on on line. But I agree, if they don't care they shouldn't be there and they should have the class to move on and let people who are passionate about the job takeover.

I volunteer.

You understand our want to usurp TDO, then? They ARE doing these things. They ARE ust in this for the money. They were in positions that were low in the company, and they probably WERE fans...Then...They get offered more money, and greed sets in. I think you would kiss Walt's Dream goodbye, if it meant a whole lot of money, too.:shrug:

Public Speaking? Part of the gig. If you are President or even Vice President you should be prepared to speak. It's shameful that she flubbed those lines, IMHO. How can you now know these facts when EVERYONE in that audience did?


You volunteer!?:ROFLOL: Heck! So do I. I'd do it for free if it meant having a better WDW.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Thanks for jumping in dxer......

.....but if Wall Street etc. is saying they could make MORE money by building new attractions, then I would think those who are "just in it for the money" would be begging corporate for more money for new attractions.

I don't know? :shrug:

Jt, honestly, I am as clueless as anyone as to why they wouldn't other than what I posted.... Honestly, as long as attendance is up and money is flowing, Iger cannot fire them.... We may think they are failing, but, in a huge corporation they aren't.... And Wall Street only cares about PROFITS, not whether a new ride is built or not... They care if Disney made 6 billion or 6 million dollars... Common sense says now is the time to invest in the parks.. But, we are dealing with people who only want the bottom line to read a certain number so their bonuses go UP... Why spend $500 million on a FL refurb when 16 million people visit MK a year?? That $500 million can go into the pockets of Phil Holmes, Meg Crofton, Jay Rasulo, etc... that is how THEY think..

To be fair, Disney is NOT the only company like that... Welcome to corporate America...

 

[jt04]

TDO is by every stretch of the imagination a fiscally conservative group. Building new attractions requires guaranteed financial results. Why would any executive put themselves in a risky position by requesting a new attraction when they can simply repackage, leave alone, or close an attraction all together to show that their budgets are way below what was allotted? This in turn results in a better performance review and better bonuses at the end of the month.

It's not an atmosphere of what's good for the guest, the show, or the company in the long run. Ultimately it comes down to these executives meeting their quotas and just getting by month to month.

Thanks. That is pretty sad if you are right. Of course, I'm sure there is another side to the story but at least this makes some sense as being possible. I wish they could post their side of the story here. Who knows, maybe one of them will. Or an associate at least.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Jt, honestly, I am as clueless as anyone as to why they wouldn't other than what I posted.... Honestly, as long as attendance is up and money is flowing, Iger cannot fire them.... We may think they are failing, but, in a huge corporation they aren't.... As Wall Street only cares about PROFITS, not whether a new ride is built or not... They care if Disney made 6 billion of 6 million dollars... Common sense says now is the time to invest in the parks.. But, we are dealing with people who only want the bottom line to read a certain number so their bonuses go UP... Why spend $500 million on a FL refurb when 16 million people visit MK a year?? That $500 million can go into the pockets of Phil Holmes, Meg Crofton, Jay Rasulo, etc... that is how THEY think..

To be fair, Disney is NOT the only company like that... Welcome to corporate America...

Sickening, honestly.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Thanks. That is pretty sad if you are right. Of course, I'm sure there is another side to the story but at least this makes some sense as being possible. I wish they could post their side of the story here. Who knows, maybe one of them will. Or an associate at least.

Honestly, jt, I think he is right... I feel the way phil does... It is sad... I do think they need to go, but, since profits and numbers are good, they are technically doing their job... But, if the FL thing has any merit to it, maybe the power has been taken away from TDO so they cannot make big decisions anymore...

 

[Captain Chaos]

Sickening, honestly.

Not to make this an American recession or political thread, but, ALL of corporate America acted this way... it is called GREED.... That is why so many companies went belly up... That is why AIG, BOA, GM, CitiGroup and others are hanging on by a thread... This is the pecking order a company SAYS they act upon:

1) Customer Service
2) Customer Satisfaction
3) everything else

When in reality it is:

1) PROFITS
2) SHAREHOLDER HAPPINESS
3) EXECUTIVE BONUSES
4) MORE PROFITS
5) HIGHER EXECUTIVE BONUSES
6) WALL STREET HAPPINESS
7) EVEN HIGHER PROFITS
8) EVEN HIGHER EXECUTIVE SALARY AND BONUS
9) Oh yea, customers....

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Honestly, jt, I think he is right... I feel the way phil does... It is sad... I do think they need to go, but, since profits and numbers are good, they are technically doing their job... But, if the FL thing has any merit to it, maybe the power has been taken away from TDO so they cannot make big decisions anymore...

I know Glendale has the final say, but I doubt that.

 

[The Conundrum]

You tell me things I know, jt.:lol:

As for Cali...I could se them intervening. After all, just look to TDA. No problem with DL getting new things.


And no, I don't remember, jt.:snore: Sorry.

Watching TDA's destruction over the past five years has been one of the most entertaining things on the net. First there big leaders got fired, than they got the bad press from the big thunder tragedy, then Matt Ouimet whiped them into shape, than Lasseter and Tony B. took over and now there all pretending to care about the parks praying that they won't get fired.

This was the same group of people less than ten years ago who had full reign over Disneyland and used to make comments such as:

"If it is good enough for Six Flags it is good enough for our property"

"Pay no attention to Al Lutz, he cant sway public opinion against us"

"When your dealing with the amount of people Disneyland gets and the various technologies in use...casualties are to be expected"

and my favorte from the weeks leading up to DCA's "grand" opening:

"The concern isn't that DCA will have enough to hold guests attention our concern is telling all the disappointed guests that DCA has reached capacity and that they will have to settle for Disneyland instead"

and yes those are all real quotes believe it or not and jt loves defending these kinds of people

 

[The Conundrum]

You do realize that is just your optimistic hope*. We have had Lee, Tirian, Al Lutz and your pal '74 multiple times state that TDO is not wanting any of this major investment. They are doing it either out of necessity (SM) or by forces beyond their control (ST2, the possible FL refurb). It's also not just the new operation as TDA just approved the Ghost Galaxy seasonal makeover for their SM.

* I have nothing against your optimism but sometimes you've got to face facts and get off your high horse. It's not always about you being right and all knowing.

Exactly

and yea TDA just approved Ghost Galaxy because thanks to the fine work of Matt Ouimet and John Lasseter and recession fears PLUS an incredibly vocal fanbase (if you think me and '74 are bad you haven't seen nothin) TDA is forced to take care of the guests. The way it should have always been.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Watching TDA's destruction over the past five years has been one of the most entertaining things on the net. First there big leaders got fired, than they got the bad press from the big thunder tragedy, then Matt Ouimet whiped them into shape, than Lasseter and Tony B. took over and now there all pretending to care about the parks praying that they won't get fired.

This was the same group of people less than ten years ago who had full reign over Disneyland and used to make comments such as:

"If it is good enough for Six Flags it is good enough for our property"

"Pay no attention to Al Lutz, he cant sway public opinion against us"

"When your dealing with the amount of people Disneyland gets and the various technologies in use...casualties are to be expected"

and my favorte from the weeks leading up to DCA's "grand" opening:

"The concern isn't that DCA will have enough to hold guests attention our concern is telling all the disappointed guests that DCA has reached capacity and that they will have to settle for Disneyland instead"

and yes those are all real quotes believe it or not and jt loves defending these kinds of people

I would love if we would get a turn around like they have. They are looking at two different pyro shows in DL a week come Sept. Sheesh! How awesome would that be in EPCOT or in MK? And add in the flow of new attractions....and refurbs...


Sounds to Disney-ish to be true!:lol:

 

[Captain Chaos]

Exactly

and yea TDA just approved Ghost Galaxy because thanks to the fine work of Matt Ouimet and John Lasseter and recession fears PLUS an incredibly vocal fanbase (if you think me and '74 are bad you haven't seen nothin) TDA is forced to take care of the guests. The way it should have always been.

I will take your word on it that the TDA crowd was loud... But, sadly, that wouldn't work on TDO... They think we are idiots... They have a 1 track mind... They are deaf to our complaints... Unless we say something will ruin our vacation... Then we don't get the Haunted Mansion Holiday overlay ....

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I will take your word on it that the TDA crowd was loud... But, sadly, that wouldn't work on TDO... They think we are idiots... They have a 1 track mind... They are deaf to our complaints... Unless we say something will ruin our vacation... Then we don't get the Haunted Mansion Holiday overlay ....

Having all attractions open would ruin my vacation.:lookaroun:lol:

 

[Captain Chaos]

Having all attractions open would ruin my vacation.:lookaroun:lol:

I am beginning to think, after my trip in October, I am writing a long letter to Phil Holmes, that is if he is still in charge of the MK, and telling him how my vacation was ruined cause Pirates is mediocre, Tiki Room show stunk, SGE is terrible, MILF is out of place in Tomorrowland, and that Haunted Mansion doesn't have the holiday overlay... I will also tell him how my vacation was ruined cause of the free dining, terrible fast pass system, and cuts to the halloween party... Maybe then he will listen cause I said my vacation was ruined... Heck, it works to keep the holiday overlay FROM haunted mansion.. it helps cut the budget and refurb time to rides... Why not use reverse psychology!!!