My Neverland Files

mharrington

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This is going to be hard to talk about without being verbose and repetitive or coming off like a jerk, but here goes...

Before I start, I just wanted to say, when I say "Neverland", I mean my equivalent of an old website called "The Neverland Files", which is all about concepts for Disney attractions that never happened.

In this case, this thread is for ideas of mine that have no place to go, mainly because of real-world constraints/logistics that have been working against it, such as physical space. I've never been fond of merely fudging guide maps (which don't always reflect reality anyway) or anything else that goes beyond mere fiction (which, by its definition, means not nor meant to be real). I like to go beyond blue sky. Unfortunately, however, many ideas I've had never really stand a chance because there's just no place for them to go. Actually, as I've just said, it's not really that I don't know where to put them. Most of the time, it's in the Magic Kingdom at WDW. The issue is that I'm an overthinker and don't like to make any commitments if I don't know if they will work physically. I'm not the type who likes to create an alternate/parallel place/timeline/reality/etc. I don't like to wear fiction like a badge of honor. You can't see into your imagination, after all. All you have are just words on a screen and maybe some images, if you're lucky.

But the fact is, there are many things that I've done that have no place to go and would not work at all except in an alternate/parallel place. And because of that, I never bother to put them down here, but just keep them bottled up. It's not just rides, either, but whole parks in other parts of the world (like that one that was supposed to go in, say, Xanadu, where the languages are Portuguese and German (which is confusing in and of itself if you know the story about Xanadu)).

One idea I've had that up to now I've never put down here before because I can't find a place for it, but would love to see in a real Disney park, is a roller coaster dark ride hybrid themed to "Mickey and the Beanstalk" from "Fun and Fancy Free". It would be the equivalent of the Puss In Boots roller coaster found at Universal "Studios" (note the "quotation" marks) park in Singapore:


The basic gist of the ride would be that you go up the beanstalk (similar to the lift hill in the video), then you spot and retrieve the singing harp and the coaster element comes from being chased by Willie the Giant.

That's just one example of a "Neverland" ride concept of mine (once again, "Neverland" in this case refers to "The Neverland Files"). There are plenty more ideas where that came from, however.

Not sure if it really matters or anything, but what are your thoughts on my coming up with ideas and not being able to put anything anyplace?
 
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MickeyMouse10

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That's actually a really great idea. It could even be a part of a Fairytale or Nursery Rhyme section. With The 3 Little Pigs, The Big Bad Wolf and other bedtime stories.
 

mharrington

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That's actually a really great idea. It could even be a part of a Fairytale or Nursery Rhyme section. With The 3 Little Pigs, The Big Bad Wolf and other bedtime stories.
But there is nowhere to put it, which is why I had called it "The Neverland Files", after an old website called "The Neverland Files", which talks about never-built Disney attraction concepts. There actually is an archived version here: http://web.archive.org/web/20110202220729/http://theneverlandfiles.com/.

Anyway, it doesn't matter how great my ideas are, if there is no place to physically put my ideas, they never go anywhere. One reason why I don't like to get too fictitious is that I fear being disappointed with the reality. I'm sure a lot of people here wish they could live in the idealized world they and others have created.

One solution I've read about is to be mindful of reading and keep emotions in check. This is mainly about reading fiction in book form, but I think it could work here, too. However, I have no idea how to do it. I'm just simply explaining what I read. There is an app out there called Basmo for book-reading, but I'm not sure how something like that can apply to armchair Imagineering forums like this.
 
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MickeyMouse10

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But there is nowhere to put it, which is why I had called it "The Neverland Files", after an old website called "The Neverland Files", which talks about never-built Disney attraction concepts. There actually is an archived version here: http://web.archive.org/web/20110202220729/http://theneverlandfiles.com/.

Anyway, it doesn't matter how great my ideas are, if there is no place to physically put my ideas, they never go anywhere.

Thanks for the link I've missed The Neverland Files, and I never thought I'd see it again.

As for the attraction, I'm sure there's at least one of the parks where it would fit. If not you could always create a whole new one.
 

mharrington

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Thanks for the link I've missed The Neverland Files, and I never thought I'd see it again.

As for the attraction, I'm sure there's at least one of the parks where it would fit. If not you could always create a whole new one.
I'm sure it could fit a real park hypothetically, it's just that there is no place to physically put it. Whether coming up with a hypothetical location in a preexisting park or creating a brand-new park from scratch, the result is the same: pure fiction that will exist nowhere but in your mind. Unlike a real park, you can't set foot inside your mind.

One reason why I don't like to get too fictitious is that I fear being disappointed with the reality. I'm sure a lot of people here wish they could live in the idealized world they and others have created.

One solution I've read about is to be mindful of reading and keep emotions in check. This is mainly about reading fiction in book form, but I think it could work here, too. However, I have no idea how to do it. I'm just simply explaining what I read. There is an app out there called Basmo for book-reading, but I'm not sure how something like that can apply to armchair Imagineering forums like this.

And anyway, it's not always healthy to be too engulfed in the fiction. That's another reason I try and find space for my ideas, and also a reason why those that don't fit in a real park are never created.
 

mharrington

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I'm pretty sure that the Mickey and the Beanstalk ride could potentially fit in Fantasyland somewhere, but the problem is that there's no room (meaning, no footprint) for it anywhere. That's why I've never put it up on this forum before. It's also why I decided to call it "Neverland Files", because there has never been a place for them to go (until now).

As for creating a new park, I like to set it in a real place and not have it be too fictitious. It's the reason I was so preoccupied with creating a disclaimer for putting the park in a made-up location, because unlike a lot of people, I'm not used to be unrealistic, as if it's something to be proud of.

What are your thoughts on that? Isn't it unhealthy to be too engulfed in your mind?
 
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MickeyMouse10

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Yeah, the central part of Fantasyland would be a great option.

If you could make it where you load indoors and venture outside (or vice versa). It could save some space and is possible. It could be similar to what they do with the Alice and Wonderland attraction at Disneyland. If you're going with the outside loading option.

I think the Princess Fairytale Hall and Fairytale Gardens' area would be a perfect location for it. Because you'd have the Sir Mickey's store right next to it. Thus having a retail location for the attractions merchandise.
 
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mharrington

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Yeah, the central part of Fantasyland would be a great option.

If you could make it where you load indoors and venture outside (or vice versa). It could save some space and is possible. It could be similar to what they do with the Alice and Wonderland attraction at Disneyland. If you're going with the outside loading option.

I think the Princess Fairytale Hall and Fairytale Gardens' area would be a perfect location for it. Because you'd have the Sir Mickey's store right next to it. Thus having a retail location for the attractions merchandise.

The space you proposed is way too small, especially for a coaster. Where would the princesses go? I think you can see the conundrum I'm facing, where my ideas are bigger than the space available. If there isn't substantial space for anything, then it will never see the light of day here.
 
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comics101

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One idea I've had that up to now I've never put down here before because I can't find a place for it, but would love to see in a real Disney park, is a roller coaster dark ride hybrid themed to "Mickey and the Beanstalk" from "Fun and Fancy Free". It would be the equivalent of the Puss In Boots roller coaster found at Universal "Studios" (note the "quotation" marks) park in Singapore:


The basic gist of the ride would be that you go up the beanstalk (similar to the lift hill in the video), then you spot and retrieve the singing harp and the coaster element comes from being chased by Willie the Giant.


This is a WONDERFUL idea that would fit beautifully into any Fantasyland from around the world. What a great concept.

As far as the footprint/physical location of the attraction, what if it replaced Disneyland's Fantasyland Theatre. Plenty of room back there.
 

mharrington

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Another concept I've had is for a Toontown-like area that will probably never see the light of day: a dark ride called Goofy About Vacationing. It is actually based on an abandoned concept for the CA Adventure for a land themed to the state's car culture (ultimately evolving into Cars Land) and called Goofy About Road Trips:
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The basic gist of the ride was that you would follow Goofy on a long vacation, resulting in several misadventures, where it's camping, fishing or swimming. It is actually derivative of an old videotape called "Sport Goofy's Vacation", a compilation of appropriately-themed cartoon shorts, the description for which can be found below:
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It's part of a larger Toontown, with no place to realistically put it. Also there would be a Dumbo-themed ride on some planes owned by Donald, as well as the usual meet-n-greet in Mickey and Minnie's houses. However, there's no place to put it, though.
 

MickeyMouse10

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Ooooooooo, that's a cool concept.

There's so many ways you could take this idea. You could make it like Speedway, a dark ride like Mr. Toad or like Runaway Railway. This would be perfect in some park's Toontown.
 

mharrington

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Ooooooooo, that's a cool concept.

There's so many ways you could take this idea. You could make it like Speedway, a dark ride like Mr. Toad or like Runaway Railway. This would be perfect in some park's Toontown.

But there's no place to put it realistically. There's no place for another Toontown. All of these are just pure blue sky, and I'm not used to that.
 

mharrington

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The architecture of this mysterious land would have been based on the Disney Town level of "Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep" (already heavily influenced by the actual Toontown):
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But as I said, this is all just pure blue sky, and I'm not used to that. As seen in the Neverland Files website, even all the ideas that don't go past the blue sky stage were actually intended for real parks somewhere.

How is this forum's blue sky concepts different from those in the real parks, as gathered together in the Neverland Files site? Can someone please explain?
 

DisneyFan32

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The architecture of this mysterious land would have been based on the Disney Town level of "Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep" (already heavily influenced by the actual Toontown):
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But as I said, this is all just pure blue sky, and I'm not used to that. As seen in the Neverland Files website, even all the ideas that don't go past the blue sky stage were actually intended for real parks somewhere.

How is this forum's blue sky concepts different from those in the real parks, as gathered together in the Neverland Files site? Can someone please explain?
I have some Roger Rabbit attactions concepts for Disney's Hollywood Studios and Disneyland:
Toontown Transit simulator concept art | WDWMAGIC - Unofficial Walt Disney  World discussion forums

2719 HYPERION: Lost Imagineering: Baby Herman's Runaway Baby Buggy Ride

11.25-Roger-Rabbits-Car-Toon-Spin-ride-concept-drawing-by-Daan-Jippes.jpg

RogerRabbitsHollywood.jpg

Toontown Transit | Attraction Ideas Wiki | Fandom


This is way Steven Spielberg ditches Eisner's ideas for to putting Roger Rabbit attractions for DHS and DL,
so that's brings this attractions:
Toontown Transit (simulator)
Baby Herman's Runaway Baby Buggy Ride (based on Tummy Trouble (1989) short)
Toon Coaster (based on RollerCoaster Rabbit short (1990)

And also there was another Roger Rabbit attraction at Walt Disney Studios Park as planned for Toon Studio, it was supposed was family-friendly of Tower of Terror called Toon Tower which features Droopy Dog as bellhopper, the attraction was supposed based Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988) where Eddie Valiant visits Toontown to find Jessica Rabbit at middle of the movie. The attraction was supposed to have many Toon cameos in each rooms. A wild coaster based Benny the Cab also planned but got scrapped along with Toon Tower.
 
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mharrington

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I have some Roger Rabbit attactions concepts for Disney's Hollywood Studios and Disneyland:
Toontown Transit simulator concept art | WDWMAGIC - Unofficial Walt Disney  World discussion forums

2719 HYPERION: Lost Imagineering: Baby Herman's Runaway Baby Buggy Ride's Runaway Baby Buggy Ride

11.25-Roger-Rabbits-Car-Toon-Spin-ride-concept-drawing-by-Daan-Jippes.jpg

RogerRabbitsHollywood.jpg

Toontown Transit | Attraction Ideas Wiki | Fandom


This is way Steven Spielberg ditches Eisner's ideas for to putting Roger Rabbit attractions for DHS and DL,
so that's brings this attractions:
Toontown Transit (simulator)
Baby Herman's Runaway Baby Buggy Ride (based on Tummy Trouble (1989) short)
Toon Coaster (based on RollerCoaster Rabbit short (1990)

And also there was another Roger Rabbit attraction at Walt Disney Studios Park as planned for Toon Studio, it was supposed was family-friendly of Tower of Terror called Toon Tower which features Droopy Dog as bellhopper, the attraction was supposed based Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988) where Eddie Valiant visits Toontown to find Jessica Rabbit at middle of the movie. The attraction was supposed to have many Toon cameos in each rooms. A wild coaster based Benny the Cab also planned but got scrapped along with Toon Tower.

I've seen them all, and as fun as some of those concepts are, unfortunately, I doubt they will ever see these rides in Disney parks anymore. Anything I put in the parks, I deliberately try to see how realistic it is. So no, Roger Rabbit will not be part of this bigger Toontown. And what did you mean by saying "this is way Spielberg ditches Eisner's ideas"?
 

DisneyFan32

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I've seen them all, and as fun as some of those concepts are, unfortunately, I doubt they will ever see these rides in Disney parks anymore. Anything I put in the parks, I deliberately try to see how realistic it is. So no, Roger Rabbit will not be part of this bigger Toontown. And what did you mean by saying "this is way Spielberg ditches Eisner's ideas"?
Unless my idea is Spielberg plans with Disney to make a Roger Rabbit sequel in the future which the Roger Rabbit attractions might be part of this bigger Toontown if Roger Rabbit sequel was huge successful and most popular than the first movie. So Disney will give more love to Roger Rabbit in the parks.
 

mharrington

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Unless my idea is Spielberg plans with Disney to make a Roger Rabbit sequel in the future which the Roger Rabbit attractions might be part of this bigger Toontown if Roger Rabbit sequel was huge successful and most popular than the first movie. So Disney will give more love to Roger Rabbit in the parks.

Unfortunately, I don't know any place where I could put this Toontown anyway.

I don't like to get too fictitious with my ideas. I don't do alternate timelines or "what if" scenarios or the like, as that requires me to be unrealistic, and if I do that, I will feel as though I'm a loon.
 

DisneyFan32

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Unfortunately, I don't know any place where I could put this Toontown anyway.

I don't like to get too fictitious with my ideas. I don't do alternate timelines or "what if" scenarios or the like, as that requires me to be unrealistic, and if I do that, I will feel as though I'm a loon.
You can put a bigger Toontown with Roger Rabbit attractions (if the sequel was so most popular) if you want it.
 

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