DreamfinderGuy
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Imagination pretty famously had a theatre show so popular that it became the main attraction in the pavilion and overshadowed the ride, and that was back when the ride was good.
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Disney didn’t do figment any favors.
The difference is, ‘Shrunk was brand new, muppets, no matter how good, is 30 years old. I wish it could happen. I mean they apparently were considering it when muppet labs figment redo was on the table. Wonder how that would’ve fared.
Miru
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Once they do get rid of one of those, I’m hoping we get a water ride, DHS is the only park without one.
The Leader of the Club
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I thought the original post was referring to EO.
Progress and all, I suppose... but replacing a 30+ year old iconic ride for a 20+ year old IP? Seems backwards thinking to me.
Where's the Wreck-it-ralph ride? Why not convert rockn' rollercoasters to the Soul ride (and do a simultaneous homage to Mr. toad's wild ride through death...). If the goal of using modern IP is because they want to have the synethesia of current products that today's children know then why are they still using OLD IP? Where's the Bluey ride?!
What happens to Star Tours NOW that you've cut out Muppet Courtyard and plowed through a Monsters Inc land, further dividing Star Tours and Galaxy's Edge?
It'd be one thing if we're talking Disneyland but this is DisneyWORLD and there's TONS of space to build out the parks (and very little capacity as is for the crowds they're taking in to be just replacing rides).
Disney has completely lost the plot with its own properties, forgotten that, at its core, it was and IS an animation company but more than that was an IMAGINATION company. But Iger doesn't want inspiration... He wants to sell membaberries to rich people.
The Rocket Rods people are runnin the parks.
Where's the Wreck-it-ralph ride? Why not convert rockn' rollercoasters to the Soul ride (and do a simultaneous homage to Mr. toad's wild ride through death...). If the goal of using modern IP is because they want to have the synethesia of current products that today's children know then why are they still using OLD IP? Where's the Bluey ride?!
What happens to Star Tours NOW that you've cut out Muppet Courtyard and plowed through a Monsters Inc land, further dividing Star Tours and Galaxy's Edge?
It'd be one thing if we're talking Disneyland but this is DisneyWORLD and there's TONS of space to build out the parks (and very little capacity as is for the crowds they're taking in to be just replacing rides).
Disney has completely lost the plot with its own properties, forgotten that, at its core, it was and IS an animation company but more than that was an IMAGINATION company. But Iger doesn't want inspiration... He wants to sell membaberries to rich people.
The Rocket Rods people are runnin the parks.
muddyrivers
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Not sure what the pointed response was for but there is nothing wrong with writing a letter/email to make your voice heard and your opinion known. People used to write (and still do) all the time whether you have 1 share or thousands.
Again, I encourage everyone to write emails to Disney leadership and let them know your displeasure about these changes. The more people the Executive Office hears from, the better.
bmr1591
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I mean, money? Monsters Inc is incredibly popular and sells merch. Soul isn’t. Ralph isn’t as popular in the US as overseas (not saying he isn’t popular, just not as much as say Japan). They also could be saving Ralph for Tomorrowland.
The Leader of the Club
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I mean, it is a thirty year old 3D show. If it was any other show, it wouldn’t have this backlash. If Henson had lived long enough that this wasn’t his last project, there wouldn’t be this backlash.
As for Monsters Inc, it’s still incredibly popular. They still sell a ton of merch and it’s pretty much a classic at this point on par with Toy Story or Lion King. Kids do know who Mike & Sulley are. The door coaster rumor has been a thing for years and Disney finally making that a reality is huge. I don’t necessarily think we need to lose Muppets for that, but unfortunately DHS management or WDI or someone else in the chain of command does.
The Leader of the Club
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I’d make sure I rode Star Tours the next couple of trips. It’s definitely high on the retheme list.
DHS is becoming the park of Theseus. Is it still the same park if every attraction/land has been replaced?
That was more Sponsorship of Kodak wanting change and no Figment(they did not like the Fujifilm colors) than the 3D show being so good it needed to take over entire pavilion, and this is coming from someone who really liked Honey I Shrunk the Audience.
It already did.
Universal Studios Florida even has more opening day and year attractions/venues than DHS does.
Although identity with DHS is the bigger issue.
etc98
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Looking at the concept art for the villains show, it does sort of match the muppet vision stage
A medium depth stage with projected background, balconies on either side of the stage, and it seems like the sides of the theater are projected as well.
It’s at least much closer to Muppet Vision structurally than the Lightning McQueen show.
What I’m curious about is whether they will change to a sloped floor. It seems like it would be difficult to see even for the villains show if the floor stays flat.
A medium depth stage with projected background, balconies on either side of the stage, and it seems like the sides of the theater are projected as well.
It’s at least much closer to Muppet Vision structurally than the Lightning McQueen show.
What I’m curious about is whether they will change to a sloped floor. It seems like it would be difficult to see even for the villains show if the floor stays flat.
wdw71fan
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Considering Apple is killing off the Vision Pro... and will likely only stay 'comitted' to updates for it as long as they have remaining inventory to sell... I'd rather the muppets life line NOT get hitched to dying tech. In turn, making a proposed 'second act' a short lived dumpster fire.
The stage next to RNR is ideal, move the assets you can, and make it a refreshed experience... Accepting anything less is doing just that.. Less.. and the Jim Henson legacy as well as the Muppets. Deserve so much more.
People need to realize that this isn't Horizons, Mr Toad, or some other themepark trope-y expierence.. This is full blown art, and an expierence hand crafted by an artist that is no longer with us. It's not a toy, it's a masterpiece of entertainment, and Disney should be obligated to protect, and display it in a way that is respectful to its audience, the artist, and his family.
You wouldn't relegate a Picaso to only being available as JPEG on a website, would you? Then put MV3D where it belongs, in a theater, with the full experience accessible as the artist designed it.
The stage next to RNR is ideal, move the assets you can, and make it a refreshed experience... Accepting anything less is doing just that.. Less.. and the Jim Henson legacy as well as the Muppets. Deserve so much more.
People need to realize that this isn't Horizons, Mr Toad, or some other themepark trope-y expierence.. This is full blown art, and an expierence hand crafted by an artist that is no longer with us. It's not a toy, it's a masterpiece of entertainment, and Disney should be obligated to protect, and display it in a way that is respectful to its audience, the artist, and his family.
You wouldn't relegate a Picaso to only being available as JPEG on a website, would you? Then put MV3D where it belongs, in a theater, with the full experience accessible as the artist designed it.
Animaniac93-98
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That's a slap in the face to the people who worked on Horizons just because they didn't have the cultural cache of a man who's name became a brand unto itself. As if Horizons or Journey Into Imagination were not hand built art as well?
mysto
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Thanks for this! You sent me on a web search tear.
Seems like they are tearing down many of the things we member making the need for the sour berries so much dearer. Ka-ching.
At first I thought it was membership-berries, like 33, premier pass, DVC, golden oaks and AP,. Also for sale, but selling status instead of nostalgia. Works for me either way really.
Earlie the Pearlie
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I saw a comment over on Tom Bricker’s site encouraging people to nominate Muppet*Vision to the Library of Congress’s National Film Registry. To qualify for it, a film must be at least 10 years old and culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant. I believe that Muppet*Vision fills all of the above criteria, and I’d like to spread that message here as well, if you agree with this assessment. Thank you, everyone. The link is here:
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BalooChicago
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I forgot about this part of the great muppet caper, and now I’m a little worried.
Casper Gutman
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If there’s one thing modern Imagineering and Disney execs excel in, it’s hubris.
FerretAfros
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Guys, it's pretty clear what they're going to do with the show:
They're going to move it to Pittsburgh!
In all likelihood, it's going to be saved on a hard drive somewhere in the archives and left there for the time being. Disney said that they would try to "preserve the film and other parts of the experience for fans to enjoy in the future" it, not actually present it to the public on any discernable timeline. Thinking it will be (officially) available for public consumption in the near-to-mid-term future is reading something into their announcement that simply isn't there. If they wanted to keep it available to the public for now, it wouldn't be getting removed from the park.
They're going to move it to Pittsburgh!
In all likelihood, it's going to be saved on a hard drive somewhere in the archives and left there for the time being. Disney said that they would try to "preserve the film and other parts of the experience for fans to enjoy in the future" it, not actually present it to the public on any discernable timeline. Thinking it will be (officially) available for public consumption in the near-to-mid-term future is reading something into their announcement that simply isn't there. If they wanted to keep it available to the public for now, it wouldn't be getting removed from the park.
Magenta Panther
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It sure as heck is a slap in the face. The original Journey into Imagination (which, unfortunately, I only saw on video) was amazing. Now the ride's a lame joke. The Imagineers should focus on fixing THAT, spend the money restoring and plussing a WDW original instead of putting irrelevant puppets in RnRC. Good grief, what a mess...