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networkpro
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Disingenuous There is Federal OSHA as well as Florida OSHA at WDW. The Federal OSHA requirements are preemptive over state so its a pure California nanny state requirement.
GiveMeTheMusic
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I should have been more clear. Florida has virtually no checks on things like theme park worker safety, while California is very involved via CalOSHA.
Curious Constance
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Doesn't the O is OHSA stand for Oregon?
networkpro
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Florida observes the national standards as well as its additional standards. There is no specific amusement park standard, just commercial standards which do not require permanent structural additions. Safety equipment is required. If you'll notice there are rails everywhere guests are present on all WDW rides for fall prevention.
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Deleted member 107043
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And the first fatal alligator attack in Orange County in 66 years just happened at WDW. In the wake of that 2 year old's tragic death Disney is installing walls and warning signs along the beaches, blocking guest access to Bay Lake.
For Disney to claim fall protections at any of its parks and resorts are unnecessary because nothing has happened (that's been documented) in X number of years is irresponsible. I think we all agree that these things sometimes disrupt DL's design aesthetic, but the company would be pretty stupid to not make every effort to ensure that they follow the law and ensure worker and guest safety.
GiveMeTheMusic
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I agree. I contend they can do a better job of doing that while still maintaining show. It also does not explain why they have not made any of these upgrades elsewhere - because they don't have to. OSHA only breathes down their neck in California.
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Deleted member 107043
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True, which is why I see tight government regulations around theme park safety as a good thing. Remember that California's amusement park ride safety laws were put into effect in part by the death at Disneyland of a guest who was fatally struck by a metal cleat that snapped loose from the Columbia.
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GiveMeTheMusic
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I agree. I think Disney should be proactive about safety regardless of their park's locations, instead of selective because of governmental pressure.
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Deleted member 107043
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Well shouldn't all amusement park operators, not just Disney? Even if they were pro-active without independent oversight who would hold them accountable for ensuring that they followed their own safety rules? If that entity isn't the government then who would it be?
I know one thing for sure, I'll be sure to stay away from amusement park rides in Alabama, Colorado, and a few other states...
http://www.saferparks.org/regulation/agencies
GiveMeTheMusic
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We are not disagreeing. The only way to get safety standards enforced is via the government. What I'm saying is, WDW doesn't have that kind of pressure. So Disney just doesn't do as much (or anything). Disney should be responsible and protect their CMs and not discriminate against them because of their location. This implies that Disney only adds extra safety measures when pressured, instead of when it actually benefits CMs. Disney should be better than that. All companies should put the safety of their employees first, but this is a Disney forum and we're discussing Disney parks - hence the focus on Disney.
rle4lunch
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This is correct. I was stationed California for 11 years and in San Diego for 5 of those years (we transferred to Maryland last November) where I worked with OSHA and the Navy equivalent NAVOSH. New fall protection rules swept over the state a few years ago where we had a short amount of time to update our harness equipment in our hangar. If we didn't have it done in by a certain date, they would fine us daily until it was complete. Neat huh? Anyone know how fast military contracts are to get put in place? Think of a snail, going through molasses on a winter day.
As for the nanny state, California has over 3,500 more 'potential' hazmat listed items than any other state in the US. You want to hear hypocrisy at its finest? We had to procure a sealant compound for a wing repair. The sealant was MADE in California, but not allowed to be USED in California. We had to do a temp fix on the wing, fly it to Texas, apply the compound, let it cure (dry), and then fly the plane back to Cali. For this and many reasons, I will never, ever, live in California again. Such a waste of a beautiful state.
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Deleted member 107043
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May I ask where you live now?
networkpro
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We are not disagreeing. The only way to get safety standards enforced is via the government. What I'm saying is, WDW doesn't have that kind of pressure. So Disney just doesn't do as much (or anything). Disney should be responsible and protect their CMs and not discriminate against them because of their location. This implies that Disney only adds extra safety measures when pressured, instead of when it actually benefits CMs. Disney should be better than that. All companies should put the safety of their employees first, but this is a Disney forum and we're discussing Disney parks - hence the focus on Disney.
There ought to be a law is the common refrain I'm hearing repeated over and over. Well the State of Florida where Disney World resides thinks differently than you. There are mandatory fall prevention classes and safety equipment requirements for businesses as well as individuals to follow or be subject to fines. This is a legal requirement for individual as well as company responsibility to follow the rules for working where fall hazards are possible, not a call to bubble wrap the world.
GiveMeTheMusic
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rle4lunch
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were you replying to me? If so, we're stationed in southern Maryland, about 50 miles from DC.