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[Just A Big Kid]

Guess i'll have to add yet another symbol to my avatar for KILLED attractions

 

[wanabeimagineer]

I cant see them gutting the building since after the Test Track fiasco I heard that Disney said they would never gut a building again. Was this really said or was it just someone's opinion?

 

[Testtrack321]

Lets also look back at some other M:S rumors you forgot to mention:

Febuary 19th, 2000
The ride system will be developed in cooperation with Intamin AG and will be based upon their reverse freefall system. Unlike the Reverse freefall the ride vehicles will be able to navigate a full track with turns. The vehicles will be modeled after next generation space flight vehicles and will sit 15 in a 3 4 4 4 arrangement. The finale will use linear synchronous motors (LSM) to propel vehicles over 90 miles per hour in under 7 seconds (pulling 4.5 g’s). The vehicles will the rocket up a 300 ft tower before plummeting back to earth. At the top of the tower guests will experience nearly 5 seconds of complete weightlessness. When I asked how they would hide a 300 ft tower my contact told me that above the 150 ft point it would painted light blue to blend with the sky (Mr. Freeze at Six Flags over Texas is the same color and is hardly visible from outside the park). It would need aircraft warning lights however. From the ground to 150 ft would be large model rockets on either side which would be illuminated at night by power spotlights like the launch pad at Kennedy space center.

There was a huge debate about that mysterious tower that was supposed to happen.

 

[JLW11Hi]

Originally posted by kayarei

-who is Theme Park Productions? what else have they been involved with?

Theme Park Productions is the division of Disney that is in charge of just about every film you see in their parks. Be it a small thing like the pre-show at Test Track, or an entire "film" attraction like Ellen's Energy Adventure or Honey I Shrunk the Audience.

Since they have aparently been reported to be very involved with the project, films will probably be a big part of the ride.

I kinda like the sound of this update. For those of you who love the "meaning" and "deepness" of the current Spaceship Earth, from that article it looks like they are doing the same thing. Hey, apparently its close to the ride they originally intended to put there!

Lets all just wait and see.

 

[isnet396]

Originally posted by Testtrack321
Lets also look back at some other M:S rumors you forgot to mention

I was looking for that quote for AGES! Thanks for digging it up!

 

[space42]

Originally posted by Testtrack321
Lets also look back at some other M:S rumors you forgot to mention:



There was a huge debate about that mysterious tower that was supposed to happen.

Yeah.. but again.. look at the source of that 'rumor'.

"19 February 2000: Latest Ride concept sent in by TOTManiac"

:brick:


However, there are a few people that do get inside information. That was my point with the Orlando Sentinel quotes. Those were both before Disney made any type of announcement about the replacement of Horizons.

 

[jrashadb]

Personally... I don't believe a damn word of it... SE is an icon of the park for Christ's sake!
Well... maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part. I can't imagine Epcot without SE having the same message it's always had. If they change SE into a thrill ride to placate teeny-boppers who want rollercoasters while completely taking the communication message out of it, I will wash my hands of the whole thing.
I will tear up my pass and shun WDW.
If I want Six Flags, I'll go to Georgia... or, hell, I'll just go East on I-4 a bit 'till I get to IOA.
(no offense)

 

[thedisneyfan]

I agree---I just can't see any major change to SE. We all know that it is currently very popular and has a high attendance. I mean are there really people who still aren't awed by your vehicle turning and seeing space/stars at the top of the ride whether its your 1st, 10th, or 100th time? This is definitely one of the classic awe inspiring rides of Epcot, maybe the only one left at Epcot. Plus, Disney knows the cost of replacement fiascos at Epcot---ie JIYI. In addition, does it make any sense to mess with SE on a major scale when WS needs an addition, WoL needs to be completely overhauled, and LS needs to be fixed? If I were to do something to Disney the above mentioned would make much better sense than gutting a popular classic. Could the begining and end go under a rehab and some other areas-sure but other than fixing the omnimovers to take out the squeak and putting in a better sound system, I can't see a gutting of SE. It would be pretty stupid to do such! :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

 

[jrashadb]

Originally posted by thedisneyfan
I agree---I just can't see any major change to SE. We all know that it is currently very popular and has a high attendance. I mean are there really people who still aren't awed by your vehicle turning and seeing space/stars at the top of the ride whether its your 1st, 10th, or 100th time? This is definitely one of the classic awe inspiring rides of Epcot, maybe the only one left at Epcot. Plus, Disney knows the cost of replacement fiascos at Epcot---ie JIYI. In addition, does it make any sense to mess with SE on a major scale when WS needs an addition, WoL needs to be completely overhauled, and LS needs to be fixed? If I were to do something to Disney the above mentioned would make much better sense than gutting a popular classic. Could the begining and end go under a rehab and some other areas-sure but other than fixing the omnimovers to take out the squeak and putting in a better sound system, I can't see a gutting of SE. It would be pretty stupid to do such! :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

Oh, Christ!!! Don't even get me started on LS... So much unrealized potential it makes me sick!!! :brick: :brick: :brick: :hurl:

 

[CAPTAIN HOOK]

Originally posted by kayarei
I have seen an opening date of April 12, 2007.

Hey, if they can pinpoint an opening date over 4 years into the future then it must be true.................Mission:Space is just a rumour cos they can't fix a date over 4 months away :lol:

 

[AndyMagic]

First of all, everyone is jumping to conclusions. If you all read Fab's report again it clearly states that the new ride will have a very similar theme and most early reports put it as a family ride. Stop complaining about this thrill ride with a different theme that you all just made up to find something to moan about. :hammer: Just because it is called Time Racers doesn't mean anything. We know it is going to use video screens and have track. That is all. Not to mention we have until 2005 to enjoy the ride until they close it down. At least Disney didn't do their usual and just close something down for 2 years and pretend it is going to open soon. (20,000 or Horizons) or only give a few weeks notice, (Mr. Toads). Now instead of complaining about something that you all just made up in your heads, why not talk about different possibilities for the ride system, or how the construction in and around the globe will effect the entrance for 2 years. There are so many interesting things to discuss yet everyone just complains.

 

[Fievel]

Originally posted by AndyMagic
First of all, everyone is jumping to conclusions. If you all read Fab's report again it clearly states that the new ride will have a very similar theme and most early reports put it as a family ride. Stop complaining about this thrill ride with a different theme that you all just made up to find something to moan about. :hammer: Just because it is called Time Racers doesn't mean anything. We know it is going to use video screens and have track. That is all. Not to mention we have until 2005 to enjoy the ride until they close it down. At least Disney didn't do their usual and just close something down for 2 years and pretend it is going to open soon. (20,000 or Horizons) or only give a few weeks notice, (Mr. Toads). Now instead of complaining about something that you all just made up in your heads, why not talk about different possibilities for the ride system, or how the construction in and around the globe will effect the entrance for 2 years. There are so many interesting things to discuss yet everyone just complains.

Maybe you're new here, but take in mind this is what message boards do....argue and debate. We're not whining, we're expressing opinions. If you don't like it, it's really too bad, because we're entitled to them.

If you're going to flame the whole lot of us, I'd be more tactful about it from here on out. Otherwise, you could rub someone the wrong way

 

[MKCustodial]

All this talk makes me think of one thing: I just can't see "exterior track" and "Spaceship Earth" used in the same context. I always thought the geosphere was a carefully engineered attraction, relying on its design, base and internal track to exist...

 

[Fievel]

Originally posted by MKCustodial
All this talk makes me think of one thing: I just can't see "exterior track" and "Spaceship Earth" used in the same context. I always thought the geosphere was a carefully engineered attraction, relying on its design, base and internal track to exist...

Well that's partly true...the geodesic sphere doesn't rely on anything to stand except the posts, and it's own shape. However, that being said, I beleive that if you rip out the infrastructure of SE that you potentially create a large stability problem, as the weight of the ride within the sphere helped keep the weight centered and the mass extremely dense. If you put something light in there or a non-supporting structure, you weaken the sphere and make it more prone to disasters and weather.

This is why I don't see the infrastructure or any outside track appearing. If you punch holes in the side of the sphere, you might as well not have the sphere there at all, because the whole inside will be lit up by the sunlight. Plus, punching holes in a structure that relies only on its own shape to stand can't be a good thing...at least not in my book.

 

[AndyMagic]

Fievel, I don't understand how you can consider my comments flaming. You go on and on saying you are entitled to your own opinions and then you complain about me expressing my feelings. I made valid points regarding everyone jumping to conclusions and that is all. Also, just because I don't have over 1 trillion posts doesn't mean I don't know what I am talking about.

 

[dreamer]

Originally posted by AndyMagic
First of all, everyone is jumping to conclusions....... There are so many interesting things to discuss yet everyone just complains.

Fievel, AndyMagic is not flaming. He is discussing. I don't think the post was inflammatory at all.


Andy, I agree that these "discussions" are largely pointless and founded on ignorance --

-- but they are so fun. Something for us to do until the people that actually make the decisions and really know what they're doing do something.

:snore: :snore: :snore: :snore:

 

[AndyMagic]

Originally posted by dreamer
Fievel, AndyMagic is not flaming. He is discussing. I don't think the post was inflammatory at all.


Andy, I agree that these "discussions" are largely pointless and founded on ignorance --

-- but they are so fun. Something for us to do until the people that actually make the decisions and really know what they're doing do something.

:snore: :snore: :snore: :snore:

Thanks Dreamer. I do agree that they are fun until people get a little carried away based only on speculation.

 

[dreamer]

Originally posted by MKCustodial
... relying on its design, base and internal track to exist...

I hope Disney architects were smart enough to design "the ball" to be independent of an interior ride structure that they should have known would some day become obsolete.

 

[adr315]

Im hearing that the reference to "interior" and "exterior" track is the same as saying "inner" and "outter" track..... in other words, the "exterior" track likely refers to a track outside of the "interior" track, but not outside of the sphere.... make sense?

 

[jmarc63]

Originally posted by Fievel
Well that's partly true...the geodesic sphere doesn't rely on anything to stand except the posts, and it's own shape. However, that being said, I beleive that if you rip out the infrastructure of SE that you potentially create a large stability problem, as the weight of the ride within the sphere helped keep the weight centered and the mass extremely dense. If you put something light in there or a non-supporting structure, you weaken the sphere and make it more prone to disasters and weather.

This is why I don't see the infrastructure or any outside track appearing. If you punch holes in the side of the sphere, you might as well not have the sphere there at all, because the whole inside will be lit up by the sunlight. Plus, punching holes in a structure that relies only on its own shape to stand can't be a good thing...at least not in my book.

I have said this in another post that the geodesoc dome shape is what supports the structure, The interior elements of the track support structure may have some stabelizing affects but it goes against the real beauty of how a geodesic domes engineering creates it's stability.

As far as an exterior track... It would really detract from the exterior of the sphere and make it look ugly,but on the point you make about an exterior track..."If you punch holes in the side of the sphere, you might as well not have the sphere there at all, because the whole inside will be lit up by the sunlight". If you take a look at the TTA entry to SM, they have the entry hidden from the interior ,there is no outside sunlight entering the building there, and if they were to have exterior trackage I think they would be smart enough to have a soulotion to that.