More Changes in Hours/Parades

johnmb

New Member
Original Poster
The official WDW page showing park hours has changed in the last few hours, and it now reflects the following (I do not have all details -- only those that affect my upcoming trip!!):

1. As reported elsewhere in the last few days, Blizzard Beach will not open on March 16 (on 2/21/03 the previously announced opening date of March 2 was moved to March 16). According to the official page, it will open on April 1 (irony?).

2. Magic Kingdom: March 21 close is now 7 pm instead of 8 pm (Spectro cancelled); March 24 Spectro cancelled.

3. Epcot: March 23-31- Future World close is now 6 pm instead of 7 pm.

Still Unknown: the status of scheduled e-ride nights on March 25 and 28???!!!
 

CAPTAIN HOOK

Well-Known Member
Disney is getting way too serious about this. Yes, they do need to be careful with their shareholders money and cut costs BUT you have to speculate to accumulate.
If they continue like this, the parks will be open on weekends only by the time we get to June ! :mad: :mad:
 

johnmb

New Member
Original Poster
UPDATE:

I just spoke with WDW Travel Co., and they say March 25 and 28 are still scheduled as e-ride nights (at least as of now...).

Can any CMs out there tell us whether, with Future World closing at 6 pm the last week of March, will TT, Figment, HISTA, etc. still remain open until 9 pm, or will ALL of Future World shut at 6??!!

Thanks for any info that might lessen the blow of this latest assault on my (need I say expensive and already paid for?) vacation.

(By the way, to anyone who plans on reminding me that WDW always says park hours are subject to change, I understand. However, such disclaimers can protect a seller only up to a point. As anyone who thinks about it will acknowledge, at some point, reduction in hours, attractions, water parks, etc. effectively destroy the real object of the agreement. I'm not saying we're at that point yet, but maybe soon. And, of course, even before that point, customers have a right to their anger over such changes -- even customers who know perfectly well how businesses work. Obviously WDW has made its own judgment about the balance between, on the one hand, the savings that such cuts allow and, on the other hand, the costs they inflict in the form of loss of customer good will. Has WDW correctly perceived the cost/benefit equation? Who knows? Whatever the answer, it doesn't change that I'm now getting less than I reasonably expected when I forked over a lot of dough.)
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
Further cuts

Just wanted to let you know Disney has extended cuts into April...

MK will close at 7pm on the 25th, and 8 pm on the 26th, with no Spectro or fireworks

Future World will close at 6pm through the 11th, and then again starting the 27th, pressumably at least through the start of the summer season

MGM will be open until 10 pm only the 15th-23rd, now

Animal Kingdom will only have its hours extended to 9am to 6 pm for the Easter fortnight

Blizzard Beach will reopen April 9

Both water parks will only have their hours extended to 9am to 6 pm for the Easter fortnight, before returning to 10am to 6 pm hours
 

TravisMT81

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Hank Scorpio
Well I really hope the parks are still open come September!!

At this rate, you'll only be allowed in for an hour each day :lookaroun

no kidding!!!!

6pm for future world is crazy!!!
 
I don't think so. June is the begining of the peak season. Don't worry about the hours in June Disney knows when there will be enough people to stay open late or not.
 

Superman

New Member
6 0' clock :lol: doesnt surprise me, im going to be there in 6 days and the crowds better be as crappy as they are claiming b/ if there closin at 7 and its packed there going to have one angry man of steel :mad:
 

civileng68

Account Suspended
no way

first off, two posts or so ago someone said peak season starts in June, not true. According to WDW peak season begins in March, trust me, im paying peak rates, and if im paying peak rates, it's supposed to be peak season.

Secondly, im aware of how business works and I think most people are misunderstanding the whole statement "Disney is LOSING money". Many sports franchises say the same thing. Trust me, Disney is not LOSING money. They are simply making less PROFIT than their yearly averages. They call a lack of PROFIT a "money loss". It's not actually a "money loss" but rather a "profit loss". The term "money loss" gives them more of an excuse to drop the hours to near nothing.

You know, I have a problem with how they KEEP dropping hours. One time, maybe two is one thing, but my trip has been planned for some time (my honeymoon) and they've dropped hours several times. I know the hours are subject to change but they need to remove the "Peak" rates. This needs to be a two way street. If you remove all of our hours, remove the "Peak" rates. I'm paying top dollar for my resort reservations and getting MUCH less hours than I did last year at the same time.

Last year, the same week we were in MK 2 nights until Midnight and they were not even E-ride nights. The other nights the parks never closed before 9:00 pm, except AK.

I understand that they're trying to cut profit losses ( I wont' use the term "losses" without profit, because they're deceiving many people), but you have to still keep true to your guests. You have to value the customer and I feel closing so early and taking parades away is not the way to go.

WDW has gotten their interests into too many things "non disney" related. They're involved with many TV things and deals that they are contributing money to that they need not be. They have gotten so big that they cannot afford to have a slump. That is bad business. In business you always have to be prepared for the downside. WDW was not ready for a lull in attendances and we're all paying for it now.

I'm greatly disappointed that the parks are not open later than they are. Night time is the best time in the parks, and there will be pretty much none now.

It's sad and I don't think we should have to pay so heavily even in a down time. We're still paying the same amount of money.

However, my main point of this is that you need to know. They're not LOSING money, they're losing profit. They're simply not making AS MUCH as they were, they're still MAKING money.
 

Superman

New Member
i totally agree with everything you said!! i brought up the same point about paying the peak rates.. This is going to be one expensive vacation for the parks to be closing at 7pm :(
 

pinkrose

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I'm waiting on May hours to be released as well. I wonder if they're waiting to see what happens with Iraq next week.
 

civileng68

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hours

Originally posted by pinkrose
I'm waiting on May hours to be released as well. I wonder if they're waiting to see what happens with Iraq next week.


Not exactly. WDW bases their hours based on the hotel occupancy of the greater Orlando area. They have a department that constantly monitors the hotels and how many are reserved for the months ahead. they base their hours based on the hotel rooms being taken.

Sometimes in the past they actually would change hours daily based on the hotel occupancy rate from the previous night, however, with the tight situation their in now, don't expect much from WDW in May.
 

KathyG/poohbear

New Member
It's one thing to cut hours back in months like February and March when the parks are not real busy. You can easily do all you want in the hours given if there are no crowds but my March experience has included crowds. I agree if you are paying peak rates you deserve peak hours. I think Disney is going to find like every other company that cutting job hours is not the way to save money. Try cutting the CEO and VP's salaries...that is a much better way to save money and keep integrity with their visitors.
 

Michael72688

New Member
Originally posted by ToTallToSlow112
I don't think so. June is the begining of the peak season. Don't worry about the hours in June Disney knows when there will be enough people to stay open late or not.

uh, dont know, they're saying this summer may not be that great! :(
 

civileng68

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hours

Originally posted by KathyG/poohbear
It's one thing to cut hours back in months like February and March when the parks are not real busy. You can easily do all you want in the hours given if there are no crowds but my March experience has included crowds. I agree if you are paying peak rates you deserve peak hours. I think Disney is going to find like every other company that cutting job hours is not the way to save money. Try cutting the CEO and VP's salaries...that is a much better way to save money and keep integrity with their visitors.

yeah I agree about the March hours. I went last year in late march and will be there late march this year and let me tell ya, the crowds were nearly unbearable. In fact they closed the MK due to the crowd levels. The parks were open until midnight two nights on that trip.

Disney is just doing things that could bite them down the road. WDW will always attract people but the magic is half the fun and if that's gone, to me, it's just another park.
 

niteobsrvr

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Disney's Florida parks face sluggish prospects with war looming

By MIKE SCHNEIDER
Associated Press
Posted March 11 2003, 4:09 PM EST


ORLANDO -- Mary Poppins, normally swamped by autograph-seeking children, stood alone at Walt Disney World's Epcot Center, a wide ruby-lipstick smile on her face and a white parasol in her hand.

The worker playing the Disney character waited some more, but no children with autograph books or cameras walked past. When a group of adults finally passed, she shouted a ``Hello'' to get their attention.

``It's just kind of dead,'' remarked Ginger Bullard, of Cookeville, Tenn., who sat with her husband, Victor, at the entrance of one of the Epcot attractions.

Never fully recovered from the attendance dip that followed the Sept. 11-induced tourism slowdown 1½ years ago, Disney's Florida parks now face even smaller crowds with the prospect of war with Iraq so close.

That comes on top of an attendance dip in February blamed on the federal government's decision to raise the terrorist threat to Code Orange and snowstorms that shut down airports in the Northeast.

Industry watchers say there's no light at the end of the tunnel.

``Any other recession or gas problem didn't last this long,'' said Steve Baker, an Orlando-based theme park consultant. ``The problem with this is there are so many uncontrollables. ... It's difficult to make plans or projections since everything is in limbo.''

Walt Disney World spokeswoman Rena Callahan said she couldn't comment on attendance figures. But in the year following the Sept. 11 attacks, international visitors to Walt Disney World declined by more than 20 percent. The four parks saw attendance drop to 37.5 million last year from 39.5 million in 2001, according to Amusement Business, a trade magazine.

Disney's Florida parks, where about two-thirds of visitors come from out of town, imposed a hiring freeze and cut back workers' hours last month. Disney's California parks, Disneyland and California Adventure, have fared better since about two-thirds of their attendance comes from local visitors.

The attendance drop at Walt Disney World has been most noticeable at Epcot, a theme park devoted to technology and world cultures. Four of the eight general admission turnstiles were shuttered last Sunday, usually the busiest day of the week. There were no waits for any rides. Many of the theme park's plazas were empty. Only a quarter of the Les Chefs de France restaurant in the France section was occupied during lunchtime.

Disney's other theme parks, Magic Kingdom, Disney-MGM and Animal Kingdom, were much more crowded but still below what is considered normal for March, one of the busier times of the year because of spring break.

``Someone told me before I got here that I would be waiting in lines,'' said Felix Isaac of Dallas. ``I sure haven't done that.'' His longest wait was 15 minutes at The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror, one of the most popular rides at Disney-MGM. The ride can have waits of more than an hour on busy days.

The slowdown on Disney's Main Street has been felt on Wall Street. Analysts at Merrill Lynch lowered their 2003 fiscal year operating income estimate for Disney's theme parks by $205 million to $1.1 billion, a 6 percent decline from the same period last year.

The terror threats and possibility of war have had the greatest effect on keeping away international visitors, who generate more than a third of the operating income of Walt Disney World in Florida, according to the Merrill Lynch analysts.

The other major theme park operators in Orlando, Universal Orlando and SeaWorld Orlando, haven't had to cut back workers' hours, but they attract a larger percentage of local visitors than Disney and have smaller work forces.

SeaWorld Orlando general manager Jim Atchison said local visitors have compensated for the downturn in out-of-town visitors who stayed away because of the threats of war and terrorism.

``I think what we're seeing is a kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop,'' he said.
 

Superman

New Member
I don't know for some reason i have a hard time believing they are this fiscally challenged that all these cuts were necessary.. 5 more days & i'll be in WDW hoping those crowds are as dismal as im being told!!!
 

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