News Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[Blobbles]

I just don’t see the point in spending money to bring back an old show very soon after it closes. After a decade, it can be fun to have a retro throw-back for a couple years, but it doesn’t make much sense to immediately move it to a different building that would provide an inferior product. Sometimes it’s just time to let something go.

And I love MV3D. At least I have YouTube. A video provides a much better simulation of an extinct show than an extinct ride. Somehow, a video of Splash doesn’t do much for me.

I think you’re thinking about it in a Captian EO sort of sense. If it moved right after it closed, it wouldn’t be “bringing it back” it would be “finding it a new home” more sense. I’m not saying I would be against a better muppet experience, I just don’t have the confidence they can create one.

I wonder if they left the wording vague on purpose, seeing how people would react. I wouldn’t be surprised if they get spooked about the monstropolis backlash to the point of genuinely considering moving it. Them holding the closure announcement back this long, and only doing it with a new muppets ride announcement and vague wording clearly, at least to me, shows they are a bit shaken by it. They were fully confident in the ROA closing. They aren’t for this.

 

[Professortango1]

Honestly, i hope whatever happens with the “creative discussions” and Len Testa’s comments, i hope this whole situation is a “straw that broke the camels back” moment that makes Disney realize that they can’t replace Everything. No matter what you think of MV3D, the door coaster, the monsters land, or ANYTHING about this, you CANNOT deny that the muppets drama has completely overshadowed this whole project, and everything about it. Instead of “Disney builds new land”, all everyone is talking about is the closure of muppets. This is terrible PR. And whatever happens, I hope Disney learns their lesson to be more careful on choosing what do destroy.




Who am i kidding, Figment is probably next.

Disney is used to it. They got it with Tower or Terror becoming Mission BO. And the general public actually enjoys Mission BO. They overlook the cheapness of what it is and greatness of what it replaced. Its new and shiny. People praise Incredicoaster despite how cheap and annoying the themeing is. But its new and shiny.

The general public has taught Disney that they really don't care if things have artistic merit or are done well, so long as its tied to something they care about right this second. Even the replacement of Splash, one of Disney's all-time greatest designs, has resulted in the general public saying they prefer TBA. Disney knows that in the end, it doesn't matter what we think. Maybe for a blip of time, but the masses will eat up whatever Disney serves them. So long as there is yummy IP awkwardly tossed in.

 

[rd805]

Disney is used to it. They got it with Tower or Terror becoming Mission BO. And the general public actually enjoys Mission BO. They overlook the cheapness of what it is and greatness of what it replaced. Its new and shiny. People praise Incredicoaster despite how cheap and annoying the themeing is. But its new and shiny.

The general public has taught Disney that they really don't care if things have artistic merit or are done well, so long as its tied to something they care about right this second. Even the replacement of Splash, one of Disney's all-time greatest designs, has resulted in the general public saying they prefer TBA. Disney knows that in the end, it doesn't matter what we think. Maybe for a blip of time, but the masses will eat up whatever Disney serves them. So long as there is yummy IP awkwardly tossed in.

The general public does not like Tiana's better than Splash Mountain....the rest of what you said is probably pretty accurate, but there are FEW that "prefer" Tiana > Splash.

 

[Professortango1]

The general public does not like Tiana's better than Splash Mountain....the rest of what you said is probably pretty accurate, but there are FEW that "prefer" Tiana > Splash.

I'm just going off of my own personal experiences. I see and hear many folks who talk about how its a "significant improvement." I heartily disagree, but I also preferred TOT to Mission BO and think that Cosmic Rewind is a great coaster yet a terrible and underwhelming Disney/Epcot experience.

 

[James Alucobond]

I see and hear many folks who talk about how its a "significant improvement."

You're probably seeing a reaction to the overall aesthetic of the characters. There's a reason all of the recent princess animatronics get the WDAS Tangled/Frozen treatment now. That suits current tastes in terms of translation into 3D. By contrast, many found the Splash figures to be reminiscent of an anachronistic style that comes off as creepy (even when not intended) rather than cute. I don't think many would argue that TBA is more densely populated or narratively excellent, but that doesn't mean they can't feel a certain way about the overall look and how well it appeals to them.

 

[Gusey]

I just don’t see the point in spending money to bring back an old show very soon after it closes. After a decade, it can be fun to have a retro throw-back for a couple years, but it doesn’t make much sense to immediately move it to a different building that would provide an inferior product. Sometimes it’s just time to let something go.

And I love MV3D. At least I have YouTube. A video provides a much better simulation of an extinct show than an extinct ride. Somehow, a video of Splash doesn’t do much for me.

I'm selfishly hoping it gets the Festival of the Lion King treatment of moving to another theater, just because I can't do RNRC

 

[Blobbles]

I'm selfishly hoping it gets the Festival of the Lion King treatment of moving to another theater, just because I can't do RNRC

I’m selfishly hoping it lives on because I want it to. Also if it does, I honestly think the most likely option is magic eye at EPCOT. I know it’s two different parks, but it would probably be cheaper than producing a brand new show for the space, and it already is a 3D movie space instead of building a new space. Also ip in an ip-less space.

 

[DonniePeverley]

At the risk of scouring 333 pages, can someone give me the consensus and summary of what most of us here are thinking of this disgraceful news ?

 

[J4546]

General concensus around the parks the 2 rimes I've been since it opened is people seem to love it. This board however, has different feelings.

 

[Disnutz311]

I guess I have accepted the inevitable but now I am into the details...

Concept Art is always nice and pretty. Will we actually get a building like what is shown or is the bigger show building missing? Take a look at the model from D23. That plexiglass is obviously a building frame. Are we just go to get a massive show building with a fake facade painted go away blue with some clouds, smoke stacks??

 

[Casper Gutman]

We have some great insiders here. Some have known about the RnRC overlay at least since D23. Has anyone heard anything about the replacement show?

 

[Centauri Space Station]

For sure.
I was on the "Pixie Duster" side of things on this site for many years.
But how long could I remain that way in the face of evidence after evidence of downgrades, attractions that delivered a fraction of what was promised, attractions with broken elements that broke within days of opening, and remain broken today?
Add to that the heinous decision to pave over Rivers of America and place an IP on it (and IP I actually like) that isn't even the IP.

What was a fraction? World Celebration yes, most of it was changed with COVID to a different plan. Ratatouille, Guardians, Tron, MMRR, Tiana’s was pretty much what was stated it would be. Dinoland had been poorly themed for years and will no doubt be an upgrade. While i don’t love losing Muppets, the area of the park was sad and mostly abandoned for a while, Monsters should breathe more life in it and add an additional ride to the park. RNRC was pretty standard and cheap. Cars seems like an odd fit but i’m sure the new areas will add alot of capacity and Villains land is very promising.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I guess I have accepted the inevitable but now I am into the details...

Concept Art is always nice and pretty. Will we actually get a building like what is shown or is the bigger show building missing? Take a look at the model from D23. That plexiglass is obviously a building frame. Are we just go to get a massive show building with a fake facade painted go away blue with some clouds, smoke stacks??

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I’ve wondered that, too, since the Monsters, Inc. tower they show isn’t the shape of this track.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Disney is used to it. They got it with Tower or Terror becoming Mission BO. And the general public actually enjoys Mission BO. They overlook the cheapness of what it is and greatness of what it replaced. Its new and shiny. People praise Incredicoaster despite how cheap and annoying the themeing is. But its new and shiny.

The general public has taught Disney that they really don't care if things have artistic merit or are done well, so long as its tied to something they care about right this second. Even the replacement of Splash, one of Disney's all-time greatest designs, has resulted in the general public saying they prefer TBA. Disney knows that in the end, it doesn't matter what we think. Maybe for a blip of time, but the masses will eat up whatever Disney serves them. So long as there is yummy IP awkwardly tossed in.

I think it's fair to say I've proven I'm willing to be negative about Disney, but...

Mission BO is better then the DCA Tower. The overlay doesn't feel cheap - for one thing, it featured the addition of multiple AAs. Most importantly, the vastly superior MGM version still exists. If MV3D still existed in DCA, my attitude towards these changes would be MUCH different.

As for Incredicoaster, it sure ain't great, but it adds interest to what was originally a very generic ride.

I don't necessarily disagree with the point that guests are unlikely to be moved by the removal of a great attraction and that's a shame, although I think the language is a bit harsh. I do think it's fair to note that, with the unique exception of Splash, DL hasn't faced the removal-for-addition issue to anything like the degree of WDW and, in face, demonstrates that the ride removals WDW is suffering are conscious choices made as part of a specific philosophy.

 

[GoofGoof]

Sunset Showcase is the most likely candidate out of anything at the parks, but I'd just count on Disney+ honestly.

That location makes the most sense due to Muppets being added to RNRC but it would take a lot more work (and money) to add it to that theater. I’m not sure what the villains show is supposed to be like, but the Lighting McQueen setup was not a traditional movie theater layout. Disney+ is fine for nostalgia but you lose the physical set elements and the 3D won’t work well.

 

[erasure fan1]

I wouldn't say that the Indiana Jones stunt show is in poor condition, it's just from a bygone era and a show that I've seen a half dozen times. Disney rides provide a physical sensation accompanied with visual things to explore. Shows, by nature, offer few to no physical sensations and the focus is more controlled, leaving less to discover visually on repeated viewings.

When I watch Muppet Vision, it feels incredibly 90's. The in-theatre effects are fun, but I would much prefer a new attraction that focused on practical real effects and physical puppets rather than watching a movie. Also, I think Honey I Shrunk the Audience finally fixed a problem I had with 3-D movies. I don't want to watch things jump off the screen, I want to feel like I'm in the same room with these characters. HISTA did this incredibly well and TTBAB was even better. With Muppets, it reminded me of the issues I had with the middle portion of T2 at Universal; I'm just watching a movie with 3-D effects in it.

In the end, Muppet Vision, already feels like a museum piece whenever I visit, and not much of a theme park experience. I am still charmed by the physical in-theatre effects and actor, but that's an extremely small portion of the experience. I'd rather have a new Muppet experience that feels fresh and new and incorporates physical gags and energy throughout. If they simply move Muppet Vision to another part of the park, I would be extremely disappointed.

I can't say you're wrong on any of this. The only thing I can say is when I say rot, indy stunt show squarely meets that criteria in my opinion. It might not be rot from a physical standpoint. But it's definitely rot from a content standpoint. It's been open over 3 decades and they've added very little. All shows need updates. There are things they could have done with the muppets to add to the show, or add to the theater or courtyard that would have helped to keep it evolving.

I've said before, shows tend to be a love letter to the fans that have a connection to the IP. For those who are indifferent, if nothings changed, you might only see it every couple trips. Maybe less, or one and done. The only reason I would keep muppet vision over something new? I just don't believe Disney could do better.

 

[Professortango1]

I think it's fair to say I've proven I'm willing to be negative about Disney, but...

Mission BO is better then the DCA Tower. The overlay doesn't feel cheap - for one thing, it featured the addition of multiple AAs. Most importantly, the vastly superior MGM version still exists. If MV3D still existed in DCA, my attitude towards these changes would be MUCH different.

As for Incredicoaster, it sure ain't great, but it adds interest to what was originally a very generic ride.

I don't necessarily disagree with the point that guests are unlikely to be moved by the removal of a great attraction and that's a shame, although I think the language is a bit harsh. I do think it's fair to note that, with the unique exception of Splash, DL hasn't faced the removal-for-addition issue to anything like the degree of WDW and, in face, demonstrates that the ride removals WDW is suffering are conscious choices made as part of a specific philosophy.

Mission BO is not better than TOT. The overlay has lighting bars with the brand name still on them, clear to see. The Boiler Room is the same, but with a bunch of junk thrown into it for no reason. The plot makes zero sense. The original ride had acts 2 and 3 of a three act structure occur within the ride, where Mission BO only has act 3 on the ride, making the ride feel one-note. Mission BO also replaced two practical scenes with screens. Not even well integrated screens, just full screens. One which we see for less than 5 seconds. It feels like a USH version of a USO attraction.

And...I preferred Tower 2.0 at DCA over the Florida version. Florida was groundbreaking, but clunky in spots. DCA's improved visuals and scripting made the experience better. And I cannot underestimate how great it is to start and end with the same Bell Hop. Makes the whole ghost story work so much better. DCA's TOT ride experience was my 2nd favourite Disney attraction. Mission BO isn't garbage, but it feels incredibly cheap and forced.

As for Incredicoaster, it took a ride that was needing some Disney magic, but they didn't fix the areas that needed that magic. Nobody was complaining about the coaster itself. The complaints were about a terrible queue (still present), a terrible and bland load station (still present), and ugly final helix and return to station. Still present. So I get all of the issues of the original, plus a soundtrack jabbering in my ear about Jack Jack and cookies. Plus, Incredicoaster is a part of the downgrade from Paradise Pier to the mess we now call Pixar Pier.

 

[JackCH]

I guess I have accepted the inevitable but now I am into the details...

Concept Art is always nice and pretty. Will we actually get a building like what is shown or is the bigger show building missing? Take a look at the model from D23. That plexiglass is obviously a building frame. Are we just go to get a massive show building with a fake facade painted go away blue with some clouds, smoke stacks??

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The view from the land will be fairly narrow based on the concept art it looks like. So probably just some factory smokestack facade on either side as seen in the AC concept art?

 

[Incomudro]

What was a fraction? World Celebration yes, most of it was changed with COVID to a different plan. Ratatouille, Guardians, Tron, MMRR, Tiana’s was pretty much what was stated it would be. Dinoland had been poorly themed for years and will no doubt be an upgrade. While i don’t love losing Muppets, the area of the park was sad and mostly abandoned for a while, Monsters should breathe more life in it and add an additional ride to the park. RNRC was pretty standard and cheap. Cars seems like an odd fit but i’m sure the new areas will add alot of capacity and Villains land is very promising.

Galaxy's Edge.
So add that to World Celebration.
Then add in the tremendous downgrade of Splash to Tiana's.
I do like the French expansion.
Always liked the theme of Dinoland, and I am going to miss it.
RnRC was cool and Rock and Roll.
Now it's Muppets.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

Galaxy's Edge.
So add that to World Celebration.
Then add in the tremendous downgrade of Splash to Tiana's.
I do like the French expansion.
Always liked the theme of Dinoland, and I am going to miss it.
RnRC was cool and Rock and Roll.
Now it's Muppets.

I think GE is a lot better than the empty cardboard facades taking up space for 9 months a year personally and ROTR is a high quality attraction