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[UNCgolf]

Mine Train’s wait times after a decade continue to defy explanation. It’s a fun ride but I’m not waiting 90 min for it. Last trip we snuck on during the fireworks and were rewarded with a deer who looked like he had just had a stroke.

Yeah I would never wait 90 minutes to ride it. I would never wait 90 minutes to ride Slinky either.

To be fair, I'm not sure there's any ride I'd wait 90 minutes for. Maybe something like prime Spaceship Earth, but it never has a line that long for multiple reasons.

 

[James Alucobond]

I feel like at Disney things snowball as word gets out it is popular so people strategize to get in it and mental energy to make sure you get on it or your trip is ruined, which makes the line longer which makes people spend even more time ensuring they get to ride, and so on

Like no reason Peter Pan should get the line it does but everyone knows the line is long so focus on riding it, etc

For Peter Pan, it's 100% a capacity issue. It's, what, 700-800 per hour? I think Seven Dwarves and Big Thunder, on the other hand, both sit in the 1300-1500 range, but Seven Dwarves inexplicably almost always has a significantly longer line.

 

[JackCH]

For Peter Pan, it's 100% a capacity issue. It's, what, 700-800 per hour? I think Seven Dwarves and Big Thunder, on the other hand, both sit in the 1300-1500 range, but Seven Dwarves inexplicably almost always has a significantly longer line.

I don’t know if it’s even possible, but I’d be in favor of a refresh of Pan with Shanghai’s ride vehicles. Might help with capacity.

 

[Professortango1]

I don't consider those others family coaster

Would you consider Big Thunder to be a thrilling coaster equal to Six Flags and Cedar Point coasters? Or even Rip Ride Rockit? I think you're thinking of Kiddie Coasters.

Disney typically doesn't get beyond family coasters. Hagrid's and Gringotts are Family Coasters.

 

[Professortango1]

For Peter Pan, it's 100% a capacity issue. It's, what, 700-800 per hour? I think Seven Dwarves and Big Thunder, on the other hand, both sit in the 1300-1500 range, but Seven Dwarves inexplicably almost always has a significantly longer line.

Its the way it sells itself to guests. It looks like Big Thunder in scope and the swinging gondolas seem like they would be an added thrill. But then you ride it and find its really bland. It has a decent start and the ending is cute, making it appear to be a fuller attraction than it is. It is a coaster that grandma can take the little kids on and it feels like a real ride to them.

Kids like it because they feel like they did a Space Mountain/Big Thunder without having any of the thrills. And Magic Kingdom is a park aimed mostly at smaller children, so it hits that target demographic. If the same ride was at IOA or Disneyland it would not have the same waits.

 

[James Alucobond]

Its the way it sells itself to guests. It looks like Big Thunder in scope and the swinging gondolas seem like they would be an added thrill. But then you ride it and find its really bland. It has a decent start and the ending is cute, making it appear to be a fuller attraction than it is. It is a coaster that grandma can take the little kids on and it feels like a real ride to them.

Kids like it because they feel like they did a Space Mountain/Big Thunder without having any of the thrills. And Magic Kingdom is a park aimed mostly at smaller children, so it hits that target demographic. If the same ride was at IOA or Disneyland it would not have the same waits.

I honestly think it's probably also placement. It's basically the only outwardly kinetic ride in Fantasyland aside from the carousel and teacups (discounting Storybook), so the untrained guest sees it straight away and lines up for it as soon as they spill through the castle.

 

[JackCH]

I honestly think it's probably also placement. It's basically the only outwardly kinetic ride in Fantasyland aside from the carousel and teacups (discounting Storybook), so the untrained guest sees it straight away and lines up for it as soon as they spill through the castle.

I really wish New Fantasyland included a true E ticket dark ride. Imagine if in place of Belle’s we got something like the BatB ride at Tokyo?

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Would you consider Big Thunder to be a thrilling coaster equal to Six Flags and Cedar Point coasters? Or even Rip Ride Rockit? I think you're thinking of Kiddie Coasters.

Disney typically doesn't get beyond family coasters. Hagrid's and Gringotts are Family Coasters.

I mean, it's a spectrum, just because it isn't a crazy Cedar Point type coaster doesn't mean it is a family coaster. It isn't black and white

Guess I am think more by Disney standards and more as a kids first real coaster

 

[WaltWiz1901]

It's kind of the inverse of SDMT, which is a C-ticket coaster/darkride trying to wear the clothes of an E-ticket.

Internally, the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is classified as a D-ticket, which is fair for what it is (a mild family coaster with a highly detailed indoor show scene and exterior theming)

For Peter Pan, it's 100% a capacity issue. It's, what, 700-800 per hour? I think Seven Dwarves and Big Thunder, on the other hand, both sit in the 1300-1500 range, but Seven Dwarves inexplicably almost always has a significantly longer line.

Big Thunder Mountain's capacity is higher than Mine Train, at approximately 2400 per hour. Another capacity issue there, too

 

[James Alucobond]

Big Thunder Mountain's capacity is higher than Mine Train, at approximately 2400 per hour. Another capacity issue there, too

Ah, thanks for the correction. Thought it was lower for whatever reason. Should've double-checked my memory.

 

[Professortango1]

Guess I am think more by Disney standards and more as a kids first real coaster

Which would be a family coaster....

Its like a family movie vs a kid's movie.

Rockin Rollercoaster, Cosmic Rewind, and California Screamin' would be examples of regular coasters at Disney parks. Big Thunder, Space Mountain, Matterhorn are all family coasters. Barnstormer, Chip and Dale's Go Coaster are Junior Coasters.

 

[WaltWiz1901]

I really wish New Fantasyland included a true E ticket dark ride. Imagine if in place of Belle’s we got something like the BatB ride at Tokyo?

If concept art and at least one early ride layout are any indication, Mermaid could've potentially been an E-ticket, yet got value-engineered into a C+/D-ticket
and honestly should've remained an E, especially since it was marketed as such and was at one point the only ride announced to be part of New Fantasyland

 

[JackCH]

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If concept art and at least one early ride layout are any indication, Mermaid could've potentially been an E-ticket, yet got value-engineered into a C+/D-ticket
and honestly should've remained an E, especially since it was marketed as such and was at one point the only ride announced to be part of New Fantasyland

That would have been awesome and made New Fantasyland an almost perfect expansion in my book.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Which would be a family coaster....

Its like a family movie vs a kid's movie.

Rockin Rollercoaster, Cosmic Rewind, and California Screamin' would be examples of regular coasters at Disney parks. Big Thunder, Space Mountain, Matterhorn are all family coasters. Barnstormer, Chip and Dale's Go Coaster are Junior Coasters.

I view family coasters as ones basically everyone in the family that is able to would be willing to go on Space Mountain and Matterhorn definitely do not qualify as that - know tons of people not wanting to go on those. I'll use my 13 to son as an example - he would go on Mine Train and Slinky no issues but never wants to do Space mountain again. That isn't a family coaster to me

I think Space, Matterhorn, Big Thunder, Guardians, are regular coasters (big thunder could probably go either way/boarder)

Mine Train, Slinky are family coasters

Gadgets and Goofy's are kiddie coasters

Rock n Roller Coaster and Incredicoaster are high thrill coasters

 

[Professortango1]

I view family coasters as ones basically everyone in the family that is able to would be willing to go on Space Mountain and Matterhorn definitely do not qualify as that - know tons of people not wanting to go on those. I'll use my 13 to son as an example - he would go on Mine Train and Slinky no issues but never wants to do Space mountain again. That isn't a family coaster to me

I think Space, Matterhorn, Big Thunder, Guardians, are regular coasters (big thunder could probably go either way/boarder)

Mine Train, Slinky are family coasters

Gadgets and Goofy's are kiddie coasters

Rock n Roller Coaster and Incredicoaster are high thrill coasters

Your assessment is a bit off. If Incredicoaster is a high thrill, I would wonder what Velocicoaste is. Much less what Xcelerator and X2 are.

Most 3rd graders are happy to ride Big Thunder and Space Mountain. Matterhorn is the same design as WDW SM, just a bit tougher.

Disney has many videos of full costumes characters riding Big Thunder and such rides. You can't really do that on a regular roller coaster. If they are tame enough to wear a Mickey head on it, it's likely a family coaster or a Junior/Kiddie Coaster.

Your average adult isn't going to feel any fear or trepidation about going on a family coaster and I don't know any adults who fear those Disney attractions. I say this a wimp who does get a touch nervous on Incredicoaster and Ghost Rider and other standard coasters. Hang Time at Knott's is about my limit, and that's pretty middle of the road when it comes to standard coasters.

 

[GoofGoof]

I really wish New Fantasyland included a true E ticket dark ride. Imagine if in place of Belle’s we got something like the BatB ride at Tokyo?

…or both. There’s plenty of room back there to add a show building and it would be easy to have the entrance next to BoG or more likely back by Gaston’s.

 

[mattpeto]

Don’t get stuck on the thrill level, although it does have some. Slinky is too popular not to consider an E-Ticket IMO.

I’m not a capacity expert but it’s significantly harder to grab a LLMP from Slinky than the more thrilling rides at DHS.

 

[JackCH]

…or both. There’s plenty of room back there to add a show building and it would be easy to have the entrance next to BoG or more likely back by Gaston’s.

I would absolutely love it if they could actually do that. Go ahead and build a larger Beast castle facade while they are at it.

But, from what I understand that land behind BoG would be hard to build on due to fireworks and backstage stuff.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Your average adult isn't going to feel any fear or trepidation about going on a family coaster and I don't know any adults who fear those Disney attractions. I say this a wimp who does get a touch nervous on Incredicoaster and Ghost Rider and other standard coasters. Hang Time at Knott's is about my limit, and that's pretty middle of the road when it comes to standard coasters.

I started out very fearful of fast rides and rides with drops. The "drop" is the same sensation as "falling" which triggered a response from my body which said, "OHMYGODWE'REGONNADIE!!!!"

What helped me to start getting over that was:

1. watching POV of the rides, especially the lights-on versions for the ones in the dark.​

2. riding Flight of Passage over and over again.​

When I saw that the 'fall' in PotC and FEA was just like a playground slide, I had to tell myself it's not that bad... its just a big slide. And no longer dreaded the drop.

When I read that Test Track was just 60 MPH, I was able to say to myself, "I can ride in a car at 60 MPH with the top down... no big deal."

When I saw a lights-on POV of Space Mountain, I realized it's almost a kiddie ride with no big drops. Just really annoying high speed turns that you can't brace yourself for because it's in the dark.

I knew going into Flight of Passage that there were no big drops. But the big drops in the ride were illusions from the 3D screen and being tossed up in the air no more than 3 feet. I rode that over and over again until I welcomed and enjoyed every 'drop.'

After that, I was able to do 7DMT. No big drops. The swaying car actually made the ride easier since it turned the lateral pull into just a slight positive G force.

After seeing online that BTMR and Space Mountain had no big drop, I was able to ride them. I like BTMR because I can see and brace myself for the sharp turns. And I hate Space Mountain because I can't.

Now, SDD is nothing to me. Cosmic Rewind is a blast.

Everest has the problem of lateral punches in the dark. Not doing that again. TRON is great because it's just mainly height and speed and no drops.

Still haven't braved RnRC yet. I'm dreading the inversion. And I'm guessing there's a lot of lateral punches in the dark.

Anyhoo... I welcome the newer coasters because they are all laterally smooth. No more whiplash. Which is a problem for a non-coaster ride... DINOSAUR. Good riddance.

I assume Monster Inc Door Coaster will be another nice smooth family coaster.

 

[GoofGoof]

I would absolutely love it if they could actually do that. Go ahead and build a larger Beast castle facade while they are at it.

But, from what I understand that land behind BoG would be hard to build on due to fireworks and backstage stuff.

Probably a topic for another thread, but there’s room between the back of the existing building and where the train tracks come through. They would need to reroute a road. It could have been done.