Money for The Mouse

[CaptainWinter]

Is there more deulxe hotel buildings compaired to value and or mod.?
no matter what the room count?

It depends what "building" means. Wikipedia doesn't give information on number of buildings per resort -- how many buildings there are in Pop Century, Polynesian, etc. -- although if someone has that info or wants to collect it please chime in.

If you take the raw data from the previous post, and count the number of named properties in each category -- that is, count Pop Century 1, Polynesian 1, etc. -- and you include Animation, but exclude Swan and Dolphin, this is what you get.

Deluxe, 8
DVC, 7
Moderate, 4 (counting POR and POFQ as 1)
Value, 5 (including Animation)

Cheers!

 

[MarkTwain]

Don't forget about the HUGE sum of land Disney sold for the Four Seasons development, which will clearly target the highest-end clientele. I think that's definitely an indication that Disney is trying to get at least one foot into the deluxe market.

 

[Mickey is King]

It depends what "building" means. Wikipedia doesn't give information on number of buildings per resort -- how many buildings there are in Pop Century, Polynesian, etc. -- although if someone has that info or wants to collect it please chime in.

If you take the raw data from the previous post, and count the number of named properties in each category -- that is, count Pop Century 1, Polynesian 1, etc. -- and you include Animation, but exclude Swan and Dolphin, this is what you get.

Deluxe, 8
DVC, 7
Moderate, 4 (counting POR and POFQ as 1)
Value, 5 (including Animation)

Cheers!

That is EXACTLY what I was looking for !!!!

you did a little digging on this one


Thanks

 

[Mickey is King]

Don't forget about the HUGE sum of land Disney sold for the Four Seasons development, which will clearly target the highest-end clientele. I think that's definitely an indication that Disney is trying to get at least one foot into the deluxe market.

Yes! This is the actual resort that got me to wondering about it.

 

[Mickey is King]

These sums all disagree. Deluxe is over 2000 short. See post #9.

Since they're building a large value resort as we speak, it's a fact they're not just courting an elite clientele.

Simultaneously they are appealing to rich and powerful types with the Golden Oak development. It won't accommodate a large number of people, but it is a considerable (disproportionate) amount of space devoted to a small number of guests. Night Kingdom (which I was not in favor of personally) would have also aimed at the upper end.

That is kind of what I was wondering about , it appears that a larger # of people are packed into less buildings at the value level (you can't justify building a large fancy hotel and not charge a hefty rate to pay the bills)

moderate appears to have a smidge more elbow room, while the deluxe get's the most breathing room per person so to speak.

 

[CaptainWinter]

That is kind of what I was wondering about , it appears that a larger # of people are packed into less buildings at the value level (you can't justify building a large fancy hotel and not charge a hefty rate to pay the bills)

moderate appears to have a smidge more elbow room, while the deluxe get's the most breathing room per person so to speak.

Sure. More money, more square feet, simple.

Yes, the Four Seasons is a huge luxury grab, as the eminent Mr. Twain has pointed out. As long as they don't *only* develop for the rich and famous, I'm pretty much OK with it, being non-rich and non-famous. :lookaroun

 

[Mickey is King]

Sure. More money, more square feet, simple.

Yes, the Four Seasons is a huge luxury grab, as the eminent Mr. Twain has pointed out. As long as they don't *only* develop for the rich and famous, I'm pretty much OK with it, being non-rich and non-famous. :lookaroun

me too..

I could afford to stay in a mod. (with a smidge of planning), but I just can't justify the cost for not much more in terms of room size (except @ CB) , for a place that I will mostly only sleep at. We spend 90% of out time at the parks, stay at an all-star, and are perfectly happy. If I was going to lay around a lot, I might consider a Mod. or better , But I have been to the deluxe resorts on property and have to say, You could stay at the four seasons on Maui for less, or the Grand Wilea(spelled wrong)right next door on Maui for less, and they are MUCH more luxurious, and have their own water parks on premisise, I have seen them in person. Grand Floridian doesn't even come close to either of these. you can stay at the Grand Wilea for about $300 a night(base), and not per person.

 

[fosse76]

Sure. More money, more square feet, simple.

Yes, the Four Seasons is a huge luxury grab, as the eminent Mr. Twain has pointed out. As long as they don't *only* develop for the rich and famous, I'm pretty much OK with it, being non-rich and non-famous. :lookaroun

The development of these high-end luxury resorts is a bit misleading. The clientele that book the Four Seasons in Florida are not generally of the same class as the clientele who book the Four Seasons in Manhattan. I'm not rich by any means, but am solidly middle class. I would never really be able to afford the Four Seasons here in New York. But I can easily afford the Four Seasons in Florida. The wealthy people that are typically associated with these types of hotels don't generally choose Florida as a vacation destination. Obviously there are acceptions, but generally speaking they tend to go to "real" places like Europe, Africa, Australi and NOT the fibreglass fantasy Disney offers, at generally a higher rate.

 

[CaptainWinter]

The development of these high-end luxury resorts is a bit misleading. The clientele that book the Four Seasons in Florida are not generally of the same class as the clientele who book the Four Seasons in Manhattan.

Really? I thought the new Four Seasons was to appeal to the movers-and-shakers -- the ones who go to actual Europe, etc. as you said.

In any case, the 450 Golden Oak homes, in the $1.5M - $8M range, with no short-term rentals allowed, are aimed squarely at the upper crust.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

me too..

I could afford to stay in a mod. (with a smidge of planning), but I just can't justify the cost for not much more in terms of room size (except @ CB) , for a place that I will mostly only sleep at. We spend 90% of out time at the parks, stay at an all-star, and are perfectly happy. If I was going to lay around a lot, I might consider a Mod. or better , But I have been to the deluxe resorts on property and have to say, You could stay at the four seasons on Maui for less, or the Grand Wilea(spelled wrong)right next door on Maui for less, and they are MUCH more luxurious, and have their own water parks on premisise, I have seen them in person. Grand Floridian doesn't even come close to either of these. you can stay at the Grand Wilea for about $300 a night(base), and not per person.

That is why they created DVC. So if people want to come back to WDW or any other world destination, it's already payed for.

 

[stlbobby]

I've stated it before on these forums. Disney is working both the high-end guests and the middle class masses. They are offering a wide range of packages, rooms, dining, and options to cast a wide net. The trick is to develop the high-end offerings without adversely affecting the average guests' stay. That is why things like the fireworks cruises, Wishes! Dessert Buffet, dinner and a show, and other options are kept somewhat transparent. The guest willing to pay to avoid lines and crowds can do so, but the overall experience for the average Joe isn't impacted. That is why most of the perks for deluxe guests are located at the resort and do not bleed over to the parks.

So far Disney has done a great job of walking this line and I see it as the marketing plan going forward.

 

[fosse76]

Really? I thought the new Four Seasons was to appeal to the movers-and-shakers -- the ones who go to actual Europe, etc. as you said.

Why would they want to come to Florida instead of Europe? Contrary to what the people on this board may want to believe, the so-called upper crust don't typically vacation in Florida or at theme parks.

In any case, the 450 Golden Oak homes, in the $1.5M - $8M range, with no short-term rentals allowed, are aimed squarely at the upper crust.

Just because they build it doesn't mean they will come. It's nearly impossible to seize property in Florida, so many wealthy people "invest" in property there.

 

[CaptainWinter]

Why would they want to come to Florida instead of Europe? Contrary to what the people on this board may want to believe, the so-called upper crust don't typically vacation in Florida or at theme parks.

Being WDW-crazy is a state of mind, not a state of wealth. I know people with plenty of money to travel around the world who choose to travel to WDW -- some of them multiple times a year. OK, maybe not Mayor Bloomberg or Warren Buffett. But they do exist, and surely some of them are among readers here.

 

[SleepingMonk]

.....the so-called upper crust don't typically vacation in Florida.....

:lol:

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

 

[Mickey is King]

There are some rooms/suites at Disney that run up to a 2000 some odd dollars per night at the deluxe resorts, I beleive that's per person right? :shrug:
(I am just assuming where the vaule & moderate resorts where per person per night, last time I went)