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Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway confirmed
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Mike S
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Only because it's shorter.
I get that but to say it's an outright bad ride? None of the AAs in Haunted Mansion are advanced either but they still serve their purpose.
Movielover
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I could see the argument that because most of the Haunted Mansion AA's are pepper ghost's they don't have to come across as being actual breathing people like they do on POTC but I see what you are getting at.
Honestly my main problem with Orlando's Pirates, besides being a shortened version of the original, is that it robbed us from getting The Western River Expedition... On the other hand however Big Thunder is my favorite Disney coaster so I feel very conflicted here...
Jeremy P
Active Member
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels a little cheated out of the Western River Expedition. I feel like I would have loved this.
raymusiccity
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A generation grew up watching The Three Stooges, but knew that you shouldn't put your friend's head in a vise or poke them in the eyes!
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
A generation grew up watching The Three Stooges, but knew that you shouldn't put your friend's head in a vise or poke them in the eyes!
oops...
raymusiccity
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I'm not so sure about a 'short construction time' within a pre-existing structure'. Maelstrom conversion to Frozen sure took awhile.
dreamscometrue
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And I've never liked an @Disneyhead'71 post before this one, so this has been a big day for both of us.
Goofyernmost
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Sure but there was that time when I followed the coyote over the edge of the cliff with a little sign that said.. "oops" and ended up looking like an accordion until I got out of middle school. Just kidding, when I was a kid we didn't have middle school. Just elementary and high school. I did learn some really cool Polkas though, so I got that going for me.A generation grew up watching The Three Stooges, but knew that you shouldn't put your friend's head in a vise or poke them in the eyes!
Kman101
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Unpopular opinion incoming.
I'm totally ok with everything about this attraction.
I've been done with the GMR for over a decade. And I'm ok if Disney never builds another slow wax museum vignette/aa style dark ride. They, quite frankly, are boring. And I don't find them in anyway immersive. Unless you count being immersed in a ride through moving wax museum as immersive. Mermaid and FEA are cute but not very "fun". I find myself just sitting there kinda staring at things. But no real smiling. And certainly no spontaneous laughing or giggling.
I do really like Mystic Manor. It's not as "WOW" as Shanghai's PotC, but I like how the monkey aa is used better. Shanghai's PotC still does the slow drag in front of an obvious robot thing. Particularly, the Davey Jones at the organ scene.
I also like the art style they are using for this ride. I think it will make for a more fun, zany, madcapped adventure. Maybe at one point, you are racing down the train track right at a train.
I never say this, but I trust that WDI is going to knock it out of the park with this attraction.
Not an unpopular opinion at all. Just a select few who seem to despise the style of Mickey being used (I'm not one of those and am fine with this style) and insist it's "everyone" who hates the version because they aren't getting what they envisioned they would get. I have no doubts they'll knock this out of the park.
Goofyernmost
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And that few will never let go of it for as long as they live. They will hate the Mickey Ride and mourn the loss of GMA to their dying day.
Minnie1976
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I will miss the Great Movie Ride. It has been a favorite of mine.
RSoxNo1
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The complaints about moving away from animatronics are fair, but what you want is a balance. You don't want just slow moving AA dark rides (ok some of you may want that) and you don't want just screen based simulators. Animal Kingdom has successfully hit on several different types of attractions around that park.
Casper Gutman
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Well, I do want slow moving AA dark rides, and that part of the balance has been thrown off by the spate of closures over the last several decades. But you're right.
You also want balance WITHIN an attraction - screenz are fine when integrated into a satisfying whole, but not when they are the primary element of a ride. Attractions like Mystic Manor and Shanghai Pirates balance the internal mix perfectly (well, I prefer MM), with AAs, Screenz, and other clever special effects.
Now, we don't know much about Mickey. I do think the initial word from both official and unofficial sources give the impression this will not be a balanced ride but one that is overly-reliant on screenz, but that could be wrong - we'll have to see.
Casper Gutman
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No. Screens don't. They are used well in ToT and River Journey (the latter has other problems, but its not the screens). Spider-Man uses little else, and its a masterpiece. MM and Shanghai Pirates artfully use screenz as part of a wonderful whole. They are a tool that, when deployed in conjunction with other tools, can form a coherent totality.
BUT...
As both Uni and WDW are currently using them, they are often a crutch. They have become a cheaper way to create complex spaces, a replacement for variety and innovation. They are less one tool among many and more the only tool. And this is particularly egregious when a ride relying only on screenz replaces a more varied, accomplished attraction. Uni SEEMS (we will have to wait and see if this is real) to be moving away from screenz. WDW (and we have more evidence of this) is moving more aggressively towards them.
Unlike with TSL, we don't have a lot to go on for Runaway Railway. We don't know what it will be. That said, I (a known pessimist) feel that the way Disney itself is framing the attraction and the way our insiders are discussing it, it's going to be very, very screen and projection heavy. Now, I may be entirely incorrect. It's quite likely. But I'd wager a couple bucks that Runaway Railway will be less Shanghai Pirates and more Transformers - screenz as a crutch, not as a tool. And that's the problem.
Kman101
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But the screens for this ride are a tool it seems. I understand the screen burnout. I don't completely disagree with you on some points, but from what it sounds like, the ride is going to be well done. I hate it's replacing GMR. I'd love a ride with sets and AA's but I'm also willing to give this a chance and I have a feeling it's going to surprise people. Sometimes we're too quick to dismiss something. This could be them giving us something we didn't know we wanted, something we've all sort of bemoaned they don't do. I know it's hard to swallow losing sets and AAs for a mostly screen based ride. I guess I'm just someone who doesn't dislike something on principal.
Casper Gutman
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I think our disagreement is solely one of expectations. We don't know what we're getting. You're reading the tea leaves and assuming the best, I'm assuming the worst. Time will tell. If the screens are indeed a tool, I'll... well, I'll still complain about losing GMR, which is completely unnecessary, but I'll enjoy the ride and admit its good.
I'm ecstatic when they give us something we didn't know we wanted, as long as we end up wanting it. And it doesn't replace something we know we wanted.
Kman101
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Eh you're entitled to feel that way in your last part. I have a huge attachment to GMR but I've come to terms with it and am moving on. I don't dwell on what I can't control because then I'd never be happy with anything they do.
I'm basing my expectations on insiders who have said the ride will be great. And why wouldn't I hope it is? Why always expect the worst? I don't want them to fail because I disagree with something about it or that they didn't do what I personally would have wanted. I think you've set yourself up to dislike it and that's OK but I hope it surprises us.
I'm basing my expectations on insiders who have said the ride will be great. And why wouldn't I hope it is? Why always expect the worst? I don't want them to fail because I disagree with something about it or that they didn't do what I personally would have wanted. I think you've set yourself up to dislike it and that's OK but I hope it surprises us.
Casper Gutman
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I fully understand your perspective, but personally, I'm kinda done with moving on at WDW's behest. I don't know how long you've been going to WDW, but I moved on a lot in EPCOT in the 90s. And what I learned is that WDW almost never replaces an attraction with a better one. And at a certain point, you stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Also, describing it as "moving on" gives the impression that the removal of great rides is a natural event. Something that happens without human interference. And it's not. The removal of rides like GMR is the result of bad decisions made by executives. Its entirely avoidable. WDW is not a force of nature, its a group of people making choices. And as long as people keep giving them the same amount of money, they'll make the same decisions.
I tend to expect the worst because, with a very few exceptions, that's largely what WDW has given me over the last couple decades (the worst is hyperbole - bad is accurate.) I would LOVE to like this attraction, but even if I do, it still exists as a symbol of WDW's penchant for replacing great rides rather then build new ones in new locations. So I'd love it, but still remember the decisions WDW made.
By the way, which insiders have said it will be great? I honestly can't remember seeing that, and I'd like to.
Once again, I get and respect your perspective, its just one that WDW beat out of me about ten years ago.