Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland

Disney Irish

Premium Member
So this thought has crossed my mind, didn't have any other place to put it. But since the idea spawned from MMRR I thought I would put it here.

We all know that DLR is like a big puzzle when it comes to projects. One piece has to fall into place in order for the next piece to line up.

One rumor that floated around was that MMRR might go into the Backlot, which this announcement squashes. So what to do with Backlot then.

Well we've all assumed and rumors sort of confirmed that Frozen was going into either the FL Theater or into the Motorboat Lagoon area. And that at one time Marvel Land Phase 2 was going into the Backlot. Which a lot questioned what would they do about Hyperion with the Frozen stage show. Well what if Frozen is actually going into the Backlot instead?

I mean it sort of makes sense given that Elsa and Anna are already over there. Olaf's snowfest or whatever they call it was in Stage 17 at one time. So with that and the show in the Hyperion, you could have an Arendelle land. And then everything after Hyperion is Marvel Land.

Which leaves the other areas in DL (FL Theater and Motorboat) for BatB or some other property.

Thoughts?
 

Travel Junkie

Well-Known Member
While the news of Runaway Railway coming to Disneyland's Toontown is no surprise, what is surprising is they announced this on the Friday before Easter like they were almost sheepish about it. Weird.

I was thinking the same thing. It's odd to Friday news dump this. Only thing I can think of is that they were trying to hide the official announcement of the delay of at DHS. Thousands descending on that park after Star Wars opens and two rides short of what they expected (Mickey and Rise of the Resistance delayed.)
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
So this thought has crossed my mind, didn't have any other place to put it. But since the idea spawned from MMRR I thought I would put it here.

We all know that DLR is like a big puzzle when it comes to projects. One piece has to fall into place in order for the next piece to line up.

One rumor that floated around was that MMRR might go into the Backlot, which this announcement squashes. So what to do with Backlot then.

Well we've all assumed and rumors sort of confirmed that Frozen was going into either the FL Theater or into the Motorboat Lagoon area. And that at one time Marvel Land Phase 2 was going into the Backlot. Which a lot questioned what would they do about Hyperion with the Frozen stage show. Well what if Frozen is actually going into the Backlot instead?

I mean it sort of makes sense given that Elsa and Anna are already over there. Olaf's snowfest or whatever they call it was in Stage 17 at one time. So with that and the show in the Hyperion, you could have an Arendelle land. And then everything after Hyperion is Marvel Land.

Which leaves the other areas in DL (FL Theater and Motorboat) for BatB or some other property.

Thoughts?

I don’t see this happening. It’s just such a slam dunk for Fantasyland. The attractions you mentioned there are very temporary in nature. It would probably make sense from a capacity standpoint but I think that the backlot remains the weird flex space that it is for a few more years and then becomes either part of Marvel Land or maybe a brand new land (not Arendelle) when the eastern gateway expansion gets wrapped up. How much land does Marvel land need though? Isn’t Bugs Land and the area behind the MB enough?

Side note: not my preference if there is any “good” place to put some of the Fox properties it would be the backlot at DCA as part of Hollywoodland.

Other side note: I wonder if the Hyperions days are numbered? I believe the shows mostly fill up but only 3 times a day. Not the best use of space.
 
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FerretAfros

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While the news of Runaway Railway coming to Disneyland's Toontown is no surprise, what is surprising is they announced this on the Friday before Easter like they were almost sheepish about it. Weird.
I agree that the interesting stuff here isn't the content of the announcement, but rather the format of the announcement itself. In addition to the bury-it-in-the-holiday-weekend timing, it puts a rather large spotlight on Josh D'Amaro not just as the DLR president, but on a more personal level.

I only view a limited number of Parks Blog posts, but I can't think of another one that features an Instagram post, especially so prominently. And it's not a post from one of Disney's corporate marketing accounts, but instead from the "personal" (but obviously cleared by corporate) account of DLR's local head who was allowed to release the information hours before the official announcement.

For people who follow these sorts of things, it's obvious that Josh D'Amaro has been a rising star in Disney's ranks for a few years, but he's still a very long way from being high profile enough to be any sort of household name. Looking at his Instagram feed, the oldest post is only from November 2018, making me think that this is part of a very deliberate strategy of some sort. The posts are all highly curated to present a rather specific public image, but it's still a mystery what that image is being so carefully developed for. He doesn't have the level of experience needed to take over Iger's job in a few years, but he's being presented in too forward of a manner to continue to be shuffled around as an upper-middle manager.

The announcement is just acknowledging one of Disney's worst-kept secrets. But the way that it was announced is what's really peculiar and newsworthy.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I don’t see this happening. It’s just such a slam dunk for Fantasyland. The attractions you mentioned there are very temporary in nature. It would probably make sense from a capacity standpoint but I think that the backlot remains the weird flex space that it is for a few more years and then becomes either part of Marvel Land or maybe a brand new land (not Arendelle) when the eastern gateway expansion gets wrapped up. How much land does Marvel land need though? Isn’t Bugs Land and the area behind the MB enough?

Side note: not my preference if there is any “good” place to put some of the Fox properties it would be the backlot at DCA as part of Hollywoodland.

Other side note: I wonder if the Hyperions days are numbered? I believe the shows mostly fill up but only 3 times a day. Not the best use of space.
Its just a thought. But I do believe Backlot is going to get something soon, 3-5 years soon.

On your side notes, I honestly don't see many of Fox's properties going into DLR at all really.

And I do agree Hyperion is a waste of space right now, same with FL Theater. But if both go that means no actual live shows will be available at DLR then. So one or the other has to stay and I would say Hyperion is a better theater.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Its just a thought. But I do believe Backlot is going to get something soon, 3-5 years soon.

On your side notes, I honestly don't see many of Fox's properties going into DLR at all really.

And I do agree Hyperion is a waste of space right now, same with FL Theater. But if both go that means no actual live shows will be available at DLR then. So one or the other has to stay and I would say Hyperion is a better theater.

Ya it probably should stay. Just for the variety it provides. Selfishly, I’d rather see something else there.

And yeah I’d prefer no Fox properties at DLR. when it comes to Hollywoodland backlot, it’s hard to imagine what they do there, if not Marvel Land.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Ya it probably should stay. Just for the variety it provides. Selfishly, I’d rather see something else there.

And yeah I’d prefer no Fox properties at DLR. when it comes to Hollywoodland backlot, it’s hard to imagine what they do there, if not Marvel Land.

Well just remember if Frozen goes into Backlot you heard it here first.... ;):p
 

MoonRakerSCM

Well-Known Member
I took the helpful map @truecoat created and added an X where you'll be able to get a good view of this construction.

The X is the sidewalk on Harbor Blvd. that is part of the freeway overpass. From that elevated sidewalk you get a clear view down into "backstage" Disneyland from there. And I really think this is part of the reason why this non-surprising announcement couldn't wait until D23 Expo, because the demolition and construction was going to be too obvious well before August.

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I fully expect bloggers to begin photographing the area from that public vantage point. Thank me later.
That X is on the 5
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I agree that the interesting stuff here isn't the content of the announcement, but rather the format of the announcement itself. In addition to the bury-it-in-the-holiday-weekend timing, it puts a rather large spotlight on Josh D'Amaro not just as the DLR president, but on a more personal level.

I only view a limited number of Parks Blog posts, but I can't think of another one that features an Instagram post, especially so prominently. And it's not a post from one of Disney's corporate marketing accounts, but instead from the "personal" (but obviously cleared by corporate) account of DLR's local head who was allowed to release the information hours before the official announcement.

For people who follow these sorts of things, it's obvious that Josh D'Amaro has been a rising star in Disney's ranks for a few years, but he's still a very long way from being high profile enough to be any sort of household name. Looking at his Instagram feed, the oldest post is only from November 2018, making me think that this is part of a very deliberate strategy of some sort. The posts are all highly curated to present a rather specific public image, but it's still a mystery what that image is being so carefully developed for. He doesn't have the level of experience needed to take over Iger's job in a few years, but he's being presented in too forward of a manner to continue to be shuffled around as an upper-middle manager.

The announcement is just acknowledging one of Disney's worst-kept secrets. But the way that it was announced is what's really peculiar and newsworthy.

It's no secret from the neighbor lady and various other CM's online that Josh Damaro (D'Amaro?) is much more likable and personable than his invisible predecessor Michael Colglazier. And from friends in Newport Coast and those familiar with a local foundation, it's been said that a damp cocktail napkin is more likable and interesting than Mrs. Colglazier (and a longtime spouse is a great barometer for things). Apparently you can only talk to either one of them for about 3 minutes before they mention their Ivy League education background, just to keep you impressed for no real reason.

Go on Mr. and Mrs. Colglazier, talk about your time at HBS and/or McKinsey again. Again. Zzzz.... :rolleyes:

But back to current execs, you are on to something with this Josh Instagram feed. I had no idea he had one, but perusing it it's hilariously notable for how curated and carefully composed it is. But good for him (and his TDA cubicle communications team that actually writes it) for getting it out there as a channel.

Disneyland had a previous beloved and intelligent and likable President before in Matt Ouimet. But Burbank couldn't deal with his smarts and forced him out, according to the Al Lutz info that has no reason to not be believed. Let's hope this Josh guy can thread the corporate needle better. It might help that a few years from now Iger will be replaced which will create a different executive team for the money-making Parks division. That could be good or bad, but at least it will be different from the team that lets guys like Mr. Ouimet get away.

This is a story to watch, to be sure. And the timing and format of this Toontown announcement is really quite interesting.
 
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SuddenStorm

Well-Known Member
If Toontown really is getting significantly re-structured, I'm curious the degree to which it will be motivated by the ability to keep the land open during fireworks.

That's definitely the big question here. Between Galaxy's Edge and Toontown... what's that mean for Disneyland Fireworks?

Projection only shows are cool... but to me feel incomplete. I hope this doesn't mean Disneyland is planning on cutting back their firework program significantly.
 

rebelk73

Member
Now, they could definitely pop back on the schedule, but I did point out a few weeks ago that Toontown attractions ALL fall off the schedule in a week. It could be that there will be a lot of refreshing being done and maybe even the closing of the gag factory to start construction projects. Everyone said I was crazy.......
 

THE 1HAPPY HAUNT

Well-Known Member
I am very excited for this. I know lately it seems I have been a negative nancy especially when it comes to star wars town, but this is fantastic for toontown and the park in general. I love toon town. I went shortly after it first opened and to see how far it has fallen from grace from since then has been heartbreaking to see. this is going to cause toon town to get a much needed make over and add another big ride in the land besides rodger rabbit and it will be mickey's first ride ever in Disneyland. I always found it odd mickey never had a ride at Disneyland. now I may not really care for the animation style of the ride but that is a minor nitpick to the fact this is something long over due for the park and toon town. the last thing I wanted to see was toon town destroyed for more star wars. so color me excited as heck for this.
 

fravit

Active Member
I wonder if they get rid of that structure in front of the Gag Factory. The little "island" with the interactive elements, the dynamite, jail cell, barbell stuck to the ground etc.
Oh no I hadn't considered this!

I was actually thinking that city hall might make a better entrance area for the ride than Gag Factory. There's more space to reconfigure for Fastpass and storoller parking and whatnot, and it's easier to see from the entrance to the land. I also feel like it's always been a very underutilized space.

I like the idea of the ride still exiting into a mostly unaltered Gag Factory store. I'd like to think they could keep the interactive building in this scenario.
 

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