Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway - Disneyland

[mlayton144]

I would bet 99% of folks don’t visit multiple Disney locations , you can’t expect Disney to cater to the 1% being fanboys. I would bet that some folks on these boards care more about Disney history and aesthetics that a good majority of Disney management , sad but true

 

[fradz]

It’s WDW that is opening a crap ton of things... and almost none of them are unique. SW:GE lifted from DL, Tron lifted from Shanghai, Ratatouille lifted from Paris.

You're forgetting Indiana Jones Adventure v2 for DHS and DLP...

 

[DanielBB8]

I don’t know what’s worse frankly, Disney owning DLRP and turning it into the clone fest or the thing limping along on life support... probably the latter.

I still see WDW as ‘the real problem’ though. The co-owned Asian parks are all pushing aggressively for diferentiation (a good thing). OLC is so fed up that they don’t want to pay for other resorts projects, that they want everything developed custom for them (also a good thing). DLR still seems to mostly have their projects custom or at least designed for the park.

It’s WDW that is opening a crap ton of things... and almost none of them are unique. SW:GE lifted from DL, Tron lifted from Shanghai, Ratatouille lifted from Paris... maybe I’m just so annoyed with that mentality that I’m turned to bemusement the one thing DHS was getting to ‘catch up’ - DL is now also going to get.

But as much as I hate duplicated projects, at least a Mickey ride feels appropriate to enter more than one resort.

Ratatouille really irks me though. Not because it’s amazing, but it was the one thing WDSP had a claim to. Tron less so as Shanghai has quite a few other signature attractions.

The economics of DLP and HKDL is the same. Both are profitable if Disney didn’t charge millions for management and royalty fees. That’s why Disney bought out DLP and will likely one day own HKDL. Disney will drive them to economic losses that depresses stock prices so Disney will come back will millions to rescue them. They problem is both are marginal parks. Not enough people attend. Paris has indifferent patrons. Hong Kong depends on China’s tourists and they now can choose to visit Shanghai instead.

So what does have to do with cloning? Maybe they can’t afford unique attractions although they do have them like Ratatouille and Mystic Manor. This is beside the point because they are attraction starved. They need more attendance despite a built in structural problem. It’s Paris with haute French and Hong Kong is just a isolated city state.

WDW lacks attractions period. And WDW patrons don’t visit any other parks by design. So this concern about clones makes little sense. A Disneyland customer is more likely to visit Asia than a East Coaster will visit Paris.

 

[Anjin]

As much as I would love to, the chance of me ever visiting a Disney park outside of California is slim to none. I honestly wish there were more clones brought to DLR (maybe to that mythical 3rd gate as long as I'm wishing.)

 

[Californian Elitist]

A Disneyland customer is more likely to visit Asia than a East Coaster will visit Paris.

Where is this stemmed from?

 

[mickEblu]

As much as I would love to, the chance of me ever visiting a Disney park outside of California is slim to none. I honestly wish there were more clones brought to DLR (maybe to that mythical 3rd gate as long as I'm wishing.)

Yeah I’m all good with clones of good attractions coming to DLR. Just leave the crappy ones where they’re at. As much of a Disney parks enthusiast that I am I still can’t get myself to spend money on a Disney vacation when Im an AP at arguably the best Disney Park world wide. I just dropped more than 3x the amount of money on a Maui trip that I was quoted for a WDW Trip earlier this year. With that said, I’m still pretty sure I’ll end up going at some point at least once.

 

[DanielBB8]

Where is this stemmed from?

Many recent immigrants are from China. Chinese tourists will return to Asia for vacation and such and there are 3 Disneyland parks to choose from. Paris’ indifference to tourism is well known.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Many recent immigrants are from China. Chinese tourists will return to Asia for vacation and such and there are 3 Disneyland parks to choose from. Paris’ indifference to tourism is well known.

I still don’t understand how you came to your conclusion, but okay.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Yeah I’m all good with clones of good attractions coming to DLR. Just leave the crappy ones where they’re at. As much of a Disney parks enthusiast that I am I still can’t get myself to spend money on a Disney vacation when Im an AP at arguably the best Disney Park world wide. I just dropped more than 3x the amount of money on a Maui trip that I was quoted for a WDW Trip earlier this year. With that said, I’m still pretty sure I’ll end up going at some point at least once.

As of right now, I’m much more interested in traveling internationally. The other Disney parks can wait. I’m in no hurry whatsoever.

 

[DanielBB8]

I still don’t understand how you came to your conclusion, but okay.

So what?

 

[SuddenStorm]

Yeah I’m all good with clones of good attractions coming to DLR. Just leave the crappy ones where they’re at. As much of a Disney parks enthusiast that I am I still can’t get myself to spend money on a Disney vacation when Im an AP at arguably the best Disney Park world wide. I just dropped more than 3x the amount of money on a Maui trip that I was quoted for a WDW Trip earlier this year. With that said, I’m still pretty sure I’ll end up going at some point at least once.

I think I'd eventually like to make it out to Tokyo, since they seem to respect and maintain their rides more than Anaheim does.

The proper attic bride? The pirates still want the redhead?

I'm in.

 

[mickEblu]

I think I'd eventually like to make it out to Tokyo, since they seem to respect and maintain their rides more than Anaheim does.

The proper attic bride? The pirates still want the redhead?

I'm in.

I mean Id like to eventually make it out to all the Disney parks. But when it comes to down to booking, I have a hard time prioritizing a Disney Park/ vacation to other places around the world. Paris will probably be the first international park I visit because France is high on my list. WDW will probably have to wait at least 5 years until my son is older.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

The economics of DLP and HKDL is the same. Both are profitable if Disney didn’t charge millions for management and royalty fees. That’s why Disney bought out DLP and will likely one day own HKDL. Disney will drive them to economic losses that depresses stock prices so Disney will come back will millions to rescue them. They problem is both are marginal parks. Not enough people attend. Paris has indifferent patrons. Hong Kong depends on China’s tourists and they now can choose to visit Shanghai instead.

So what does have to do with cloning? Maybe they can’t afford unique attractions although they do have them like Ratatouille and Mystic Manor. This is beside the point because they are attraction starved. They need more attendance despite a built in structural problem. It’s Paris with haute French and Hong Kong is just a isolated city state.

WDW lacks attractions period. And WDW patrons don’t visit any other parks by design. So this concern about clones makes little sense. A Disneyland customer is more likely to visit Asia than a East Coaster will visit Paris.

Minor nitpick - Disney cannot wholly own HKDL. It’s not possible. Same with SDL.

 

[Californian Elitist]

So what?

What do you mean “so what”?

 

[DisneyLostBoy03]

Any recent updates for this attraction coming to Disneyland such as space and start of construction planned? When could we expect the Gag Factory to close?

 

[Phroobar]

Any recent updates for this attraction coming to Disneyland such as space and start of construction planned? When could we expect the Gag Factory to close?

No.

 

[Ismael Flores]

I mean Id like to eventually make it out to all the Disney parks. But when it comes to down to booking, I have a hard time prioritizing a Disney Park/ vacation to other places around the world. Paris will probably be the first international park I visit because France is high on my list. WDW will probably have to wait at least 5 years until my son is older.

i feel the same as you. i did visit WDW when i was a bit younger last time being when DAK opened but havent been since. There are just ao many beautiful places in the world that take a higher spot for me than other Disney parks.
Just got back from Egypt and i can say that Im sure i enjoyed it more than if i had gone to Shanghai Disney which was on my list for this year


funny thing, parts of the market in Cairo reminded me of concept art of SWGE

 

[Disney Irish]

Any recent updates for this attraction coming to Disneyland such as space and start of construction planned? When could we expect the Gag Factory to close?

Wait until after Destination D next weekend and see if there is an announcement. If there is an announcement then more information will start coming out pretty quick. If no announcement then we likely won't have much info until next summer at D23.

 

[BrianLo]

The economics of DLP and HKDL is the same. Both are profitable if Disney didn’t charge millions for management and royalty fees. That’s why Disney bought out DLP and will likely one day own HKDL. Disney will drive them to economic losses that depresses stock prices so Disney will come back will millions to rescue them. They problem is both are marginal parks. Not enough people attend. Paris has indifferent patrons. Hong Kong depends on China’s tourists and they now can choose to visit Shanghai instead.

So what does have to do with cloning? Maybe they can’t afford unique attractions although they do have them like Ratatouille and Mystic Manor. This is beside the point because they are attraction starved. They need more attendance despite a built in structural problem. It’s Paris with haute French and Hong Kong is just a isolated city state.

WDW lacks attractions period. And WDW patrons don’t visit any other parks by design. So this concern about clones makes little sense. A Disneyland customer is more likely to visit Asia than a East Coaster will visit Paris.

Minor nitpick - Disney cannot wholly own HKDL. It’s not possible. Same with SDL.

Indeed, I'm not really following the logic here. HKDL and SDL are now the two most unique castle parks out there, affordability is not the issue for them. It's TDO that for some reason 'can't afford' more unique projects.

The optics are completely different than Paris, Disney splits ownership and it is far more beneficial for them to see Shanghai/HKDL be successful. Honestly I'd prefer all split ownership in the future. The biggest issue I can foresee is if one government group plays hardball and blocks expansion in the future. Far more likely to affect HK and seemingly not yet the case.

But then again... governments will still play hard ball. If Anaheim co-owned Disneyland we wouldn't see this petulant battle going on, they'd actually have a hand in the economic engine of their city.

 

[BrianLo]

i feel the same as you. i did visit WDW when i was a bit younger last time being when DAK opened but havent been since. There are just ao many beautiful places in the world that take a higher spot for me than other Disney parks.
Just got back from Egypt and i can say that Im sure i enjoyed it more than if i had gone to Shanghai Disney which was on my list for this year

funny thing, parts of the market in Cairo reminded me of concept art of SWGE

I totally advocate for foreign travel, there seems to be two extreme dichotomies of people's thoughts on the foreign parks though. The group that would not spend their money on visiting a foreign park when they are there to travel... and another group that goes to bloody Japan and spends a week at TDLR, a day in the city and then flies home.

There are healthy ways of doing both though. In many instances the parks that do exist are nestled within very prominent and accessible locations in their own right. I went to Paris, Hong Kong and Shanghai all initially without stepping foot in their Disney parks (to be technically fair Shanghai didn't yet have a park, but just to establish the fact that China is a lot more than just Disney). All are enjoyable and highly visitable locations without having a Disney park attached, but somehow for a lot of people it is an all or none phenomenon.

It's not dirty going to a Disney location as long as you can healthily separate yourself from it at the end of the day. <10% of my foreign travel time would occur at a Disney Park, but they are still weirdly accessible even still, probably because quite a few of them are in major airline hubs.

Except Florida...