Metal detectors at Disneyland

[lazyboy97o]

I know I will regret this but....How are they very easy to circumvent?

Look at the tests of TSA where testers have a 90%-95% success rate in getting weapons past the check points. The contractors Disney hired have are infamous for being more of a problem than a solution, so hardly a sign of trying to be better than the agency that apparently pushed for these measures.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

@lazyboy97o is dead on. This kind of stuff is nothing but show and is completely ineffective.

 

[Minnie1976]

They're profiling people? That does not sit with me well at all. Very disappointing Disney.

They need to check everyone.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They need to check everyone.

Why?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Maybe checking every single person who walks up to the door is a waste of time, but randomly profiling guests for a security check isn't the right solution either, if that is indeed what they are currently doing.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Maybe checking every single person who walks up to the door is a waste of time, but randomly profiling guests for a security check isn't the right solution either, if that is indeed what they are currently doing.

They're both equally pointless. Random selection at least had the benefit of not wasting everyone's time.

 

[Phroobar]

Well they do have the bomb/drug sniffing dogs.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

They're both equally pointless. Random selection at least had the benefit of not wasting everyone's time.

No, they are not equal. No one should take issue with security checks, especially under the current terrorist threats. Profiling guests entering Disneyland is wrong and incredibly misguided.

 

[Phroobar]

So the baggage check droids in Star Tours mirror real life almost too well.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

No, they are not equal. No one should take issue with security checks, especially under the current terrorist threats. Profiling guests entering Disneyland is wrong and incredibly misguided.

Current terrorist threats are vastly overstated by the fear-mongering media and war profiteers masquerading as government leaders. Disney is doing this so that in the insanely unlikely event that something bad happened in their parks they can point and go SEE! WE TRIED! WE WEREN'T JUST LETTING EVERYONE IN UNSCREENED! It's a butt-covering move on Disney's part and nothing more.

Profiling guests is exactly what they're doing. Males on their own, most non-white visitors and anyone with visible tattoos are being screened. It is indeed misguided, but so is the whole operation.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Current terrorist threats are vastly overstated by the fear-mongering media and war profiteers masquerading as government leaders.

As I said, the operation may be flawed, but that doesn't change the fact that profiling is wrong. Nor does it make the two practices equal in terms of what should be deemed acceptable. We can agree that they both might be ineffective in thwarting a mass shooting, however one practice is acceptable and the other one is abhorrent. .

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

That may be true, but that doesn't change the fact that profiling is wrong.. Do you agree?

Completely. That's just one of the reasons why these new "security measures" are ridiculous and ineffective.

 

[Travel Junkie]

Current terrorist threats are vastly overstated by the fear-mongering media and war profiteers masquerading as government leaders. Disney is doing this so that in the insanely unlikely event that something bad happened in their parks they can point and go SEE! WE TRIED! WE WEREN'T JUST LETTING EVERYONE IN UNSCREENED! It's a butt-covering move on Disney's part and nothing more.

Profiling guests is exactly what they're doing. Males on their own, most non-white visitors and anyone with visible tattoos are being screened. It is indeed misguided, but so is the whole operation.

I don’t disagree with everything you said but, a legitimate concern is some lone wolf who has little to no training from an organization going out and committing a mass shooting. They may be inspired by an organization but not necessarily part of their group.

Metal detectors are far from perfect but they could potentially stop someone in this lone wolf scenario. That is why single males seem to be the focus of the profiling (and yes that is wrong of them to profile.) Yes, of course they could open fire outside the gates just as easily and the news reports would say at Disneyland, but a mass shooting on Main St. USA would have a devastating effect Disney’s business. That is what they are trying to prevent. This isn’t aimed at some coordinated attack by an organized terror cell.


This has been terribly mismanaged by Disney however.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Completely. That's just one of the reasons why these new "security measures" are ridiculous and ineffective.

Sorry, I edited the message while you were posting.

 

[Minnie1976]

Why?

Why not?

 

[Phroobar]

I can see you point about metal detectors. Friday, I was sitting next to a guy with a selfie stick on POTC. If he can get a selfie stick through security, anything else would be child's play.

 

[lazyboy97o]

No, they are not equal. No one should take issue with security checks, especially under the current terrorist threats. Profiling guests entering Disneyland is wrong and incredibly misguided.

No, we should take issue with these checks. They are part of a continued paranoia and fear of each other. It's just giving in and capitulating. Maybe if they did something an argument could be made, but when 10% success is the range of best case conditions then nothing is being accomplished.

I don’t disagree with everything you said but, a legitimate concern is some lone wolf who has little to no training from an organization going out and committing a mass shooting. They may be inspired by an organization but not necessarily part of their group.

Metal detectors are far from perfect but they could potentially stop someone in this lone wolf scenario. That is why single males seem to be the focus of the profiling (and yes that is wrong of them to profile.) Yes, of course they could open fire outside the gates just as easily and the news reports would say at Disneyland, but a mass shooting on Main St. USA would have a devastating effect Disney’s business. That is what they are trying to prevent. This isn’t aimed at some coordinated attack by an organized terror cell.


This has been terribly mismanaged by Disney however.

Even a lone wolf with a bit of thought could easily get around metal detectors. Their potential for stopping something is pretty much a margin of error. Even attacking the park from outside the park would be easy to accomplish.

Why not?

Because these are theatrics that don't do anything. They are a waste of money and only play into achieving the goals of distorting our lives.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I see your point, but who cares if it's theatrics? It's not like Disney has trumpeted that these new measures are a promise to put an end to any possibility of an attack. Assuming that there probably is some degree of theater involved makes the profiling even more disgusting.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I see your point, but who cares if it's theatrics? It's not like Disney has trumpeted that these new measures are a promise to put an end to any possibility of an attack. Assuming that there probably is some degree of theater involved makes the profiling even more disgusting.

It matters because it is part of a continuing societal building of fear of each other. There are no positive results of these measures, only negative ones.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Well I'm guessing that they do occasionally confiscate firearms at the gates, but I agree with your general argument.