garyhoov said:If she simply wanted to kill him, dead, never to be heard from again, I'd think she'd have some curse or falling anvil or something that would leave his body there and we'd know clearly what happened, and there wouldn't be any hint that he had just fallen into some other world.
Instead, she introduce us to a curtain with dead people beyond it. We hear their voices from beyond this curtain showing us that there is at least some link between the living and the dead. We know that Sirius is dead, but we don't know what death in J.K. Rowlings world means.
To really find out, we'll have to wait for the next books, but here's my guess in the mean time: I'm guessing the curtain is a one way street. You can go through it from the living side (as Sirious did), but there's no way to get back once you've crossed (and that would include witches and wizards who die by more traditional means such as Harry's parents).
Still, there's clearly a connection. We could hear voices from the other side, so, I suspect under the right circumstances, Harry could communicate with Sirius and maybe even his parents.
I think he'll go back to that curtain sometime in the future books, but to speculate any farther than that would be purely guessing.
One thing to think about is that we were told that a dementor's kiss is worse than death because they suck out your soul. My guess is that prevents your soul from passing on to this "other world" that JKR has let us glimpse in the Order of the Pheonix.
Ah! That helped very much, Gary! Thank you!
I talked to one of my cousins today who is also very much into Harry Potter. It's the first time I've had the chance to talk to him since I finsihed Book 5, so I was very interested in hearing what he thought about the whole Sirius situation. As it turns out, he is yet another one who thinks Sirius is dead and not coming back. But he also had an interesting view of the curtain. He said he considered it to be the wizard's equivalent to the electric chair (as in he thought it was the wizard's way of putting prisoners to death). At first I thought he could be right, but then I remembered Luna mentioned that her mother had accidentally killed herself and that she and Harry heard her behind the curtain. That and the fact that the Ministry has dementors for prisoner punishment kinda ruled out his guess of a way of exicusion (though, I suppose it's still possible since the arch has supposedly been there for ages).
I reread the part of Sirius's murder earlier today because I wanted to see if Rowling mentioned what color of light had come out of Bellatrix's wand (green would mean certain death). She, in fact, didn't mention any specific color at all (only that Bellatrix had shot at him with a red light (I believe that's a stunning spell) right before, and then another issue of light came from her wand and hit him) and the the whole scene was so vague that it just reassured my thoughts that he's still alive.
But my cousin, my sister, and I all agree that that was a pretty stupid way to die (on Rowling's part, not Sirius's) if he is truely dead.
Gary, I think you have an interesting point in that the curtain is like a "one way road". And, I'd say you're probably right. My hopes, though, is that it's only a one way street for the dead. But, I have to bring this up again, what if Sirius was just unconscious when he fell through the curtain? It may still be difficult to get back to the living world, but it may very well be possible if that be the case. Gary, I agree, I'm almost certain Harry will revisit the curtain...he'll at least learn more about it...he'll have to, otherwise it would be the worst and most unexplained part of any Harry Potter book. But I honestly can't see Rowling leaving us hanging about it. I'm sure she'll explain it completely in the upcoming books.
On a last note, I'd like to bring to mind some of the movies/books where we thought our hero was gone for sure, but later came back in one form or another. Lord of the Rings comes immediately to mind....there were many characters here in which Tolkien made the audience think one of the fellowship had surely perished...Gandalf fell through shadow, actually did kind of die, then came back more powerful. Aragorn was dragged off a cliff by a Warg making Theoden, Gimli, and Legolas believe he was dead. Sam (and the audience) was sure Shelob's sting had killed off Frodo. Then comes Star Wars...Obi Wan and Yoda died but came back as spirits. And even Anakin came back as a spirit after his death.
Of course, there were others, including The Odyssey in which the hero went to Heck and back (literally), but I just wanted to name a few right off hand. I'm not saying these examples will prove anything for the HP series, but I'm just saying that even though we THINK Sirius is dead, nothing is certain just yet (especially in the circumstances in which he 'died') I don't care what Rowlings says!
