Magic Kingdom Gift Shop Policy Fail

[Timekeeper]

A "closing time" and the numerous amount of times it's mentioned on a tram ride, or a times guide, isn't enough notice?

Actually, yes. If this strict "closing time" logic were applied, then hundreds of guests would be kicked out of queues at this "closing time" because the attractions would be, well, closed. And who knows what would happen to the guests still on the rides...

Why don't we all go 5 over while driving the speed limit? I mean, some cops sometimes let people get away with it. So, when we get pulled over, we can tell them that they need to be more clear with the speed limit.

Actually, in Florida, you can drive 5 mph over the speed limit down the highway and not receive a ticket/fine from a law enforcement officer. The most they can do is issue a warning. But alas, that policy (unlike the Disney gift shop admission policy) is clearly articulated. :sohappy:

 

[bamillerpa]

Disney does normally allow guests to shop after the park closes but in this case the park wasn't technically closed. The park was open to a select group of guests that have paid money to be in the park for a special event. On a normal night everyone is basically leaving at the same time and haven't paid extra to experience something other than the norm. It doesn't really matter if some people linger to shop or not. On a party night guests have purchased an additional ticket that allows them to stay in the park. It isn't fair for guests that haven't paid to stay. You can argue that they could have blended in with the crowd to watch the parade but it doesn't mean it's right to stay. When you purchase a ticket to a party you expect that all guests present have also purchased this ticket. When I go to their parties I go because I want to experience something that you can't during the day AND because a limited number of guests are allowed. I would never assume that I could stay during an event that I haven't paid for.

 

[zooey]

The reason they enforce the close more rigorously hasn't actually been mentioned yet. The stores put out event-specific merchandise once the hard-ticket event starts. If they allow lingering day guests access to the stores, there is less incentive to buy the hard ticket.

I know some people who specifically attended for the purpose of getting the special merchandise [they did take advantage of the event, but likely wouldn't have gone were it not for the merch].

I forgot about this angle. But doesn't this stuff usually end up not being exclusive? I recall seeing some of the collectible pins and such on a non-party night.

 

[draybook]

I'd like to point out that park closing wasn't 7pm. That's just when day guests were to leave the park. This is a special situation and can't be classified as regular closing.

 

[draybook]

Actually, yes. If this strict "closing time" logic were applied, then hundreds of guests would be kicked out of queues at this "closing time" because the attractions would be, well, closed. And who knows what would happen to the guests still on the rides...



Actually, in Florida, you can drive 5 mph over the speed limit down the highway and not receive a ticket/fine from a law enforcement officer. The most they can do is issue a warning. But alas, that policy (unlike the Disney gift shop admission policy) is clearly articulated. :sohappy:

Really? We've driven to WDW 4 times and I've not seen that posted anywhere.

 

[PyroKinesis]

But alas, that policy (unlike the Disney gift shop admission policy) is clearly articulated. :sohappy:

Since when is a closing time a policy that is not clearly articulated?

 

[Rowdy]

Actually, yes. If this strict "closing time" logic were applied, then hundreds of guests would be kicked out of queues at this "closing time" because the attractions would be, well, closed. And who knows what would happen to the guests still on the rides...

Alright. Let's say Pizza Hut closes at 10pm. People are still inside eating. You call to order a pizza, they decline because they're closed. Demand that they make you a pizza because people are still eating and see how well that works out. It wouldn't be Pizza Hut's fault, and it's not Disney's fault.

Actually, in Florida, you can drive 5 mph over the speed limit down the highway and not receive a ticket/fine from a law enforcement officer. The most they can do is issue a warning. But alas, that policy (unlike the Disney gift shop admission policy) is clearly articulated. :sohappy:

False. But that's not the discussion here.

 

[Timekeeper]

....No insult to the OP's friend, just an opinion.

No insult taken. I understand everyone's perspective. I, also, understand that a lot of people on these boards are VERY knowledgeable, which is one of the reasons I read/post here. But I think that sometimes it's easy to forget the perspective of the common guest when we already know so much about WDW. Some things that scream obvious to us aren't necessarily as obvious to others. And I don't mean the rude or ignorant guest - as there are obviously some intelligent and courteous guests who might be "surprised" by a particular change in common practices.

For the record, my colleague did not argue or otherwise get upset with the CMs that turned her away. She was just frustrated with this "surprise" and it was something I hadn't heard about either.

 

[TinkerBelle8878]

The party started at 7 so everything was closed to non party guests, that I understand.

But by the same token, maybe don't let in the party guests until all day guests are out. As a previous poster mentioned, Universal closes the park and then reopens for the extra event. As it seems to me, the party guests that come in 3 hours early are infringing on the time and resources of paying day guests. So if a cast member sees someone during those hours with a wristband and that person has entered the park strictly for the party, they too should be turned away from all retail and rides until the party starts.

People with party tickets should have to line up outside the turnstyles and wait until 7 pm for entry.

 

[unkadug]

Actually, in Florida, you can drive 5 mph over the speed limit down the highway and not receive a ticket/fine from a law enforcement officer. The most they can do is issue a warning. But alas, that policy (unlike the Disney gift shop admission policy) is clearly articulated. :sohappy:

Really...please provide proof of that law.

 

[draybook]

The party started at 7 so everything was closed to non party guests, that I understand.

But by the same token, maybe don't let in the party guests until all day guests are out. As a previous poster mentioned, Universal closes the park and then reopens for the extra event. As it seems to me, the party guests that come in 3 hours early are infringing on the time and resources of paying day guests. So if a cast member sees someone during those hours with a wristband and that person has entered the park strictly for the party, they too should be turned away from all retail and rides until the party starts.

People with party tickets should have to line up outside the turnstyles and wait until 7 pm for entry.

Except that many people buy tickets for the event and are there before the event, like us. We spend the day in the park on the day of the event. We just march back up to the entrance at 4 at get our wristband. You know how long it would take to get in at 7 if event goers had to wait for them to clear out day guests?

 

[Timekeeper]

Actually, in Florida, you can drive 5 mph over the speed limit down the highway and not receive a ticket/fine from a law enforcement officer. The most they can do is issue a warning. But alas, that policy (unlike the Disney gift shop admission policy) is clearly articulated.

False. But that's not the discussion here.

Really...please provide proof of that law.

Okay, here ya go. See Florida Statutes Chapter 318.18.

(b) For moving violations involving unlawful speed, the fines are as follows:

For speed exceeding the limit by:

1-5 m.p.h..........Warning
6-9 m.p.h..........$25
10-14 m.p.h..........$100
15-19 m.p.h..........$150
20-29 m.p.h..........$175
30 m.p.h. and above..........$250

:wave:

 

[PyroKinesis]

I find it interesting that you keep saying she loves Disney, but that we should treat her like the common guest. So which is she?

 

[draybook]

Actually, in Florida, you can drive 5 mph over the speed limit down the highway and not receive a ticket/fine from a law enforcement officer. The most they can do is issue a warning. But alas, that policy (unlike the Disney gift shop admission policy) is clearly articulated.





Okay, here ya go. See Florida Statutes Chapter 318.18.

(b) For moving violations involving unlawful speed, the fines are as follows:

For speed exceeding the limit by:

1-5 m.p.h..........Warning
6-9 m.p.h..........$25
10-14 m.p.h..........$100
15-19 m.p.h..........$150
20-29 m.p.h..........$175
30 m.p.h. and above..........$250

:wave:

That doesn't mean that it's clearly "articulated" as you put it, except for those who have access to Florida DMV material(I guess that's where it would be found).

 

[Timekeeper]

I find it interesting that you keep saying she loves Disney, but that we should treat her like the common guest. So which is she?

Do you have to be a WDWMAGIC member and privy to all Disney practuces to "love Disney"? Of course not. There are people from all corners of the globe who "love Disney" but still require a guidemap to find their way way through the parks. I didn't think that loving something was reserved exclusively for those worthy...

 

[Monorail Lime]

Right... Try doing 5 over in one of Florida's infamous speed trap towns while displaying out-of-state plates and let us know how that works out for ya.

 

[PyroKinesis]

Do you have to be a WDWMAGIC member and privy to all Disney practuces to "love Disney"? Of course not. There are people from all corners of the globe who "love Disney" but still require a guidemap to find their way way through the parks. I didn't think that loving something was reserved exclusively for those worthy...

Ok, then, if she loves Disney, and was understanding (I would assume, based on your story), why is this an issue?

 

[koryadams]

Well, I understand that for event nights, but on regular closings, it's different. They do stay open. So That is something to learn on next trips. Thank you for the info!

 

[Timekeeper]

That doesn't mean that it's clearly "articulated" as you put it, except for those who have access to Florida DMV material(I guess that's where it would be found).

Hahaha. I don't think it gets any more clearly articulated than that. And no, it's not exclusively in any handbook, it's in the State statutes, available to everyone online, because everyone avails themselves to our laws when they step foot into our State. I guess if people would just do their "due diligence" and research and inquire as others above have suggested... :wave:

 

[Monty]

Actually, in Florida, you can drive 5 mph over the speed limit down the highway and not receive a ticket/fine from a law enforcement officer. The most they can do is issue a warning. But alas, that policy (unlike the Disney gift shop admission policy) is clearly articulated.





Okay, here ya go. See Florida Statutes Chapter 318.18.

(b) For moving violations involving unlawful speed, the fines are as follows:

For speed exceeding the limit by:

1-5 m.p.h..........Warning
6-9 m.p.h..........$25
10-14 m.p.h..........$100
15-19 m.p.h..........$150
20-29 m.p.h..........$175
30 m.p.h. and above..........$250

:wave:

Yep, it's "clearly articulated", but you left out the relevant "small print":

(c) Notwithstanding paragraph (b), a person cited for exceeding the speed limit by up to 5 m.p.h. in a legally posted school zone will be fined $50. A person exceeding the speed limit in a school zone shall pay a fine double the amount listed in paragraph (b).

(d) A person cited for exceeding the speed limit in a posted construction zone, which posting must include notification of the speed limit and the doubling of fines, shall pay a fine double the amount listed in paragraph (b). The fine shall be doubled for construction zone violations only if construction personnel are present or operating equipment on the road or immediately adjacent to the road under construction.

(e) A person cited for exceeding the speed limit in an enhanced penalty zone shall pay a fine amount of $50 plus the amount listed in paragraph (b). Notwithstanding paragraph (b), a person cited for exceeding the speed limit by up to 5 m.p.h. in a legally posted enhanced penalty zone shall pay a fine amount of $50.

(f) If a violation of s. 316.1301 or s. 316.1303 results in an injury to the pedestrian or damage to the property of the pedestrian, an additional fine of up to $250 shall be paid. This amount must be distributed pursuant to s. 318.21.

(g) A person cited for exceeding the speed limit within a zone posted for any electronic or manual toll collection facility shall pay a fine double the amount listed in paragraph (b). However, no person cited for exceeding the speed limit in any toll collection zone shall be subject to a doubled fine unless the governmental entity or authority controlling the toll collection zone first installs a traffic control device providing warning that speeding fines are doubled. Any such traffic control device must meet the requirements of the uniform system of traffic control devices.

(h) A person cited for a second or subsequent conviction of speed exceeding the limit by 30 miles per hour and above within a 12-month period shall pay a fine that is double the amount listed in paragraph (b). For purposes of this paragraph, the term "conviction" means a finding of guilt as a result of a jury verdict, nonjury trial, or entry of a plea of guilty. Moneys received from the increased fine imposed by this paragraph shall be remitted to the Department of Revenue and deposited into the Department of Health Administrative Trust Fund to provide financial support to certified trauma centers to assure the availability and accessibility of trauma services throughout the state. Funds deposited into the Administrative Trust Fund under this section shall be allocated as follows:

1. Fifty percent shall be allocated equally among all Level I, Level II, and pediatric trauma centers in recognition of readiness costs for maintaining trauma services.

2. Fifty percent shall be allocated among Level I, Level II, and pediatric trauma centers based on each center's relative volume of trauma cases as reported in the Department of Health Trauma Registry.

(4) The penalty imposed under s. 316.545 shall be determined by the officer in accordance with the provisions of ss. 316.535 and 316.545.

(5)(a) One hundred dollars for a violation of s. 316.172(1)(a), failure to stop for a school bus. If, at a hearing, the alleged offender is found to have committed this offense, the court shall impose a minimum civil penalty of $100. In addition to this penalty, for a second or subsequent offense within a period of 5 years, the department shall suspend the driver's license of the person for not less than 90 days and not more than 6 months.

(b) Two hundred dollars for a violation of s. 316.172(1)(b), passing a school bus on the side that children enter and exit when the school bus displays a stop signal. If, at a hearing, the alleged offender is found to have committed this offense, the court shall impose a minimum civil penalty of $200. In addition to this penalty, for a second or subsequent offense within a period of 5 years, the department shall suspend the driver's license of the person for not less than 180 days and not more than 1 year.

(6) One hundred dollars or the fine amount designated by county ordinance, plus court costs for illegally parking, under s. 316.1955, in a parking space provided for people who have disabilities. However, this fine will be waived if a person provides to the law enforcement agency that issued the citation for such a violation proof that the person committing the violation has a valid parking permit or license plate issued pursuant to s. 316.1958, s. 320.0842, s. 320.0843, s. 320.0845, or s. 320.0848 or a signed affidavit that the owner of the disabled parking permit or license plate was present at the time the violation occurred, and that such a parking permit or license plate was valid at the time the violation occurred. The law enforcement officer, upon determining that all required documentation has been submitted verifying that the required parking permit or license plate was valid at the time of the violation, must sign an affidavit of compliance. Upon provision of the affidavit of compliance and payment of a dismissal fee of up to $7.50 to the clerk of the circuit court, the clerk shall dismiss the citation.

(7) One hundred dollars for a violation of s. 316.1001. However, a person may elect to pay $30 to the clerk of the court, in which case adjudication is withheld, and no points are assessed under s. 322.27. Upon receipt of the fine, the clerk of the court must retain $5 for administrative purposes and must forward the $25 to the governmental entity that issued the citation. Any funds received by a governmental entity for this violation may be used for any lawful purpose related to the operation or maintenance of a toll facility.

(8)(a) Any person who fails to comply with the court's requirements or who fails to pay the civil penalties specified in this section within the 30-day period provided for in s. 318.14 must pay an additional civil penalty of $12, $2.50 of which must be remitted to the Department of Revenue for deposit in the General Revenue Fund, and $9.50 of which must be remitted to the Department of Revenue for deposit in the Highway Safety Operating Trust Fund. The department shall contract with the Florida Association of Court Clerks, Inc., to design, establish, operate, upgrade, and maintain an automated statewide Uniform Traffic Citation Accounting System to be operated by the clerks of the court which shall include, but not be limited to, the accounting for traffic infractions by type, a record of the disposition of the citations, and an accounting system for the fines assessed and the subsequent fine amounts paid to the clerks of the court. On or before December 1, 2001, the clerks of the court must provide the information required by this chapter to be transmitted to the department by electronic transmission pursuant to the contract.

(b) Any person who fails to comply with the court's requirements as to civil penalties specified in this section due to demonstrable financial hardship shall be authorized to satisfy such civil penalties by public works or community service. Each hour of such service shall be applied, at the rate of the minimum wage, toward payment of the person's civil penalties; provided, however, that if the person has a trade or profession for which there is a community service need and application, the rate for each hour of such service shall be the average standard wage for such trade or profession. Any person who fails to comply with the court's requirements as to such civil penalties who does not demonstrate financial hardship may also, at the discretion of the court, be authorized to satisfy such civil penalties by public works or community service in the same manner.

(c) If the noncriminal infraction has caused or resulted in the death of another, the person who committed the infraction may perform 120 community service hours under s. 316.027(4), in addition to any other penalties.

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