Magic Key Renewals?

Rich T

Well-Known Member
SNW is pretty tight. I don't know many people they think their going to cram in there. It is a big canyon with one ride and a very long queue.
What’s even more worrisome is that the entire land is a game made up of individual tasks you need to line up for to play if you want to experience the land’s story and admittance to areas of the land you can’t see otherwise to take part in the final “Boss Fight” against Bowser Jr.

I predict… a situation. 😄 I think I’ll wait for the Epic Universe edition.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
I think first step is remove the monthly payments option. If one can't pay for an annual pass in full, then one shouldn't go. One should never go into debt for entertainment from the Mouse.

Second step is for Disney to drastically improve the burgers. $14 hockey pucks are not acceptable.
 

Rich T

Well-Known Member
Second step is for Disney to drastically improve the burgers. $14 hockey pucks are not acceptable.
The burgers used to be much worse in the good old days. It used to be a common observation: “This place is so wonderful… but why can’t they make a decent burger???”
Year after year. It was almost a lovable flaw amidst miraculous achievements: Pirates. Mansion. Big Thunder. Country Bears. Electrical Parade. Space Mountain. WORST BURGERS EVER!

But at least they were only a buck or so. 😄
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Gad... I can still remember what they tasted like.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Ewww, no thank you. There’s a big difference between a small, hidden club most people don’t know about and a famous historic theme park that was meant to be affordable and accessible to the entire world. Anyone who can afford to spend a required minimum to gain access to an invite to be a freaking AP holder so that they can *gag* spend the required minimum to please their Mouse Lord again and again… Well, that person can afford to buy a day ticket as many times as they want anyway.

I, personally, would love to see all AP’s eliminated permanently. Just offer reasonably priced, non-transferrable, multi-day Flex Passes like they used to. It worked great. It’s hard for the youngsters to believe, but a trip to Disneyland used to be so affordable that the average local could easily take their family a couple of times a year, and even a low-paid Universal employee like myself could go solo a couple times a month. Before APs existed.

Kids have no idea how insanely better Disneyland used to be in every way except the burgers.

Before the dark times. Before the (spits it out) Empire.

I dont disagree but good luck convincing Chapek and the board they should decrease prices.

I suspect if we both presented our idea to the board, mine to only invite high spending guests to be APs to and yours to eliminate the AP program and lower prices to increase attendance I know which way current Disney management would go.

Not saying mine is the better solution, in fact I’d prefer lower priced day tickets over APs, but I don’t think the current board would ever consider lowering prices to encourage ticket sales, I think it’s more likely they drop APs and then raise day ticket prices to try to offset the losses. (And then if/when that fails they reimplement the AP program and beg APs to come back.)
 

Rich T

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I dont disagree but good luck convincing Chapek and the board they should decrease prices.

I suspect if we both presented our idea to the board, mine to only invite high spending guests to be APs to and yours to eliminate the AP program and lower prices to increase attendance I know which way current Disney management would go.

Not saying mine is the better solution, in fact I’d prefer lower priced day tickets over APs, but I don’t think the current board would ever consider lowering prices to encourage ticket sales, I think it’s more likely they drop APs and then raise day ticket prices to try to offset the losses. (And then if/when that fails they reimplement the AP program and beg APs to come back.)
Oh, I know my dream of Disney returning to past management policies will never happen. I’ve long gotten used to the strong possibility that I’ll never set foot in a Disney park ever again. I’ve got decades and decades of great memories, and that’ll do. And in the present, there’s a whole world of great entertainment out there that doesn’t grossly overcharge for absolutely everything and treat fans like gullible sheep.

I do think your no APs/higher day prices scenario is very likely.
 

Snoballego

Active Member
I am former Disneyland AP and a current Key Holder.

I am hoping that AP/Key Holders are indeed axed. I'll buy individual tickets if it means the much more pleasant experience that I had when the park reopened after Covid BUT before Key Holes became a thing.

Additionally, it would be a real shame for all the Full Time Disney YouTubers that just stream the Parks' Intellectual Property for Super Chat Tips. Perhaps, they'd actually have to find jobs and be productive members of society?
 

Californian Elitist

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Additionally, it would be a real shame for all the Full Time Disney YouTubers that just stream the Parks' Intellectual Property for Super Chat Tips. Perhaps, they'd actually have to find jobs and be productive members of society?
Vlogging full-time IS a job. People actually make a living off of it. You don’t know these vloggers and what they do in their time outside of vlogging. Some of them could very well be volunteers or be doing other things that make them “productive members of society.”

I’m not a fan of watching vloggers, but this type of rhetoric is tired and ridiculous.
 

DLR92

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I am former Disneyland AP and a current Key Holder.

I am hoping that AP/Key Holders are indeed axed. I'll buy individual tickets if it means the much more pleasant experience that I had when the park reopened after Covid BUT before Key Holes became a thing.

Additionally, it would be a real shame for all the Full Time Disney YouTubers that just stream the Parks' Intellectual Property for Super Chat Tips. Perhaps, they'd actually have to find jobs and be productive members of society?
There people who blog about where they travel, some attending fashion shows and industry. Their passion. I envy these people. They share in depth about their passion and make a living while I’m stuck with an uninspiring traditional job that will become obsolete.
 

CaptinEO

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There people who blog about where they travel, some attending fashion shows and industry. Their passion. I envy these people. They share in depth about their passion and make a living while I’m stuck with an uninspiring traditional job that will become obsolete.
These people are fake as ever. I doubt many are as happy as they portray themselves. Remember, you're only seeing what they choose to share.

You can do their job if you want to.
 

shambolicdefending

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There people who blog about where they travel, some attending fashion shows and industry. Their passion. I envy these people. They share in depth about their passion and make a living while I’m stuck with an uninspiring traditional job that will become obsolete.
These people are fake as ever. I doubt many are as happy as they portray themselves. Remember, you're only seeing what they choose to share.

You can do their job if you want to.
I'm a firm believer that happiness and satisfaction in life has very little to do with what your job is, and much more to do with how you do it.
 

Rich T

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Additionally, it would be a real shame for all the Full Time Disney YouTubers that just stream the Parks' Intellectual Property for Super Chat Tips. Perhaps, they'd actually have to find jobs and be productive members of society?
Here’s what I think is gonna happen to Disney Vloggers: Sooner or later Disney’s going to realize that vloggers bring in no new business, that they are, in fact, preaching to the “unfavorables”, and-most importantly—that there are a few extra nickels to be sucked up. And then they’ll charge vloggers a very high annual fee for the right to film footage inside the parks for use in any revenue-producing media.
 
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Rich T

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My favorite park-related vloggers are the ones that are not Disney-specific, but create very enjoyable and informative tours of parks and attractions around the world. I’m a regular viewer of Theme Park Worldwide and Coaster Studios (and, for very useful Universal Orlando info, The Pugh Two.)

For Disney-only, I watch DFB and WDW Gnus 2Day.
 
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CaptinEO

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LOL…far from that. :rolleyes:
Im talking about travel bloggers. Not saying theyre ALL miserable but look up the many crime cases for travel vloggers who appear perfect on camera. It's important to know we don't fully understand people just because we view content that they put out on the internet.

It's easy to see doctored pictures and edited videos and think we know someone from it, however this is not always the case. Not saying all bloggers are secretly unhappy or something, just saying we don't have the full picture for any online personality.

Now all that being said, if you want to be a travel vlogger maybe you can start an account up while you work your current job and slowly do more of it? Never too late to change careers and people should do what makes them happy.
 
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CaptinEO

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I'm a firm believer that happiness and satisfaction in life has very little to do with what your job is, and much more to do with how you do it.
Way more factors in life than this. I've worked a job a like but for terrible companies before. My approach never changed.

I'd say who you work for and how they treat you as well as compensation all need to be taken into account.
 

Rich T

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… Not saying theyre ALL miserable but look up the many crime cases for travel vloggers who appear perfect on camera. It's important to know we don't fully understand people just because we view content that they put out on the internet.
You could same the about authors, athletes, actors, politicians… just about any profession that requires a public image. There will be bad apples in any group, and they’ll eventually Darwin themselves out. The good vloggers will continue to produce informative, fun content, taking thousands of viewers to parks and attractions most people will never get a chance to see in person. Theme park fans have never had it so good. Back in the Stone Age, I had to rely on 6 month old puff pieces in Disney News Magazine.
 

Mickey's Pal

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Vlogging full-time IS a job. People actually make a living off of it. You don’t know these vloggers and what they do in their time outside of vlogging. Some of them could very well be volunteers or be doing other things that make them “productive members of society.”

I’m not a fan of watching vloggers, but this type of rhetoric is tired and ridiculous.
Um...have you looked up Best Life and Beyond or Five Fires?? Yeah they right there make your argument moot and strengthen the 'rhetoric' you are so tired of.
 

Californian Elitist

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Um...have you looked up Best Life and Beyond or Five Fires?? Yeah they right there make your argument moot and strengthen the 'rhetoric' you are so tired of.
Um… I don’t have to watch any of these vloggers’ videos. I said I don’t watch vlogging videos. But clearly you do! How much money do they make from their videos? Can you confirm what said vloggers do outside of their time vlogging? I assume they talk about how they don’t contribute to society in their videos. Do share. Tell us what they do outside of vlogging. Better yet, tell us what makes you such an outstanding, productive member of society and what you do to support yourself.

Nothing moot about what I said at all.
 

Rich T

Well-Known Member
Um...have you looked up Best Life and Beyond or Five Fires?? Yeah they right there make your argument moot and strengthen the 'rhetoric' you are so tired of.
I’m not familiar with those names, but a basic truth of life is that picking a couple of negative examples does not invalidate or condemn an entire profession or group of people.

There are folks out there that would love to pick a couple of examples of bad behavior by adult (non-vlogging) Disney fans, and use it as their “proof” that most adult Disney fans are creepy. And we all know that is not the real world truth.
 

Mickey's Pal

Well-Known Member
Um… I don’t have to watch any of these vloggers’ videos. I said I don’t watch vlogging videos. But clearly you do! How much money do they make from their videos? Can you confirm what said vloggers do outside of their time vlogging? I assume they talk about how they don’t contribute to society in their videos. Do share. Tell us what they do outside of vlogging. Better yet, tell us what makes you such an outstanding, productive member of society and what you do to support yourself.

Nothing moot about what I said at all.
With the vloggers I mentioned, yes. I can tell you exactly what they do with their time not vlogging. It is very well documented. That is why I used them as examples because people like them are a plaque upon theme parks. Sure you have outstanding vloggers like Theme Park Worldwide but the majority of them are flat out grifters who quit their jobs and brag about it so they can do vlogging at the parks full time and do countless live streams at night for superchats and arrive 5 minutes before closing.

I am not sharing with you my information because I am not putting myself out there like vloggers do. I have a great job with amazing benefits so I don't have to be a theme park panhandler. But when you have individuals bragging about quiting their jobs to constantly be a nuisance at Disneyland it no longer is a 'rhetoric' that fell out of the sky, but documented fact.
 

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