Magic Band Nightmare

awoogala

Well-Known Member
...and dining requests are down again on the website. sigh.
Keeps telling me "it's unavailable at this time" . I am going before the holidays..I can't imagine the rending of garments and gnashing of teeth for all the holiday-goers. yikes. I would not want to be a cm manning the phones in a week or so.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I would be willing to lay money on it. Cesar, not just Disney, but a LOT of Corporations, have the idea "let's build a website.... yeah! my Dad will let us use his barn...." (apologies to Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland).

They totally FAIL to understand that the Website is the EASY part. Every TCP/IP pipe, router, backend DB - EVERYTHING that the website is going to hit for information - ALSO has to be set up to handle the load. In WDWs defense - we just had a Government screw up the same thing :).

In the end? This is why corporations hire COMPETENT CIO's... they do not have to do everything PERSONALLY - they ARE required to LEAD: which includes hiring the right talent, and MANAGING their performance. Susan O'Day has done neither - and needs a new opportunity. I would suggest "Head of Audio/Visual". :)

Susan and her counterpart at TWDC need a immediate transfer to the motor pool. A/V is too complex these days needs a understanding of systems and networks which clearly neither has.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Do you think they could be still using the old servers and old databases and just linked (hooked) to the new system to save costs?

I know that they need the system to be stll up at all times to keep handling requests..
but I wonder if they went the cheapest way (keep all the old stuff) vs mirroring the databases to the new system as they expand.. and then shutdown the older one when everythings ready.

Like @Trotsky I'd also bet on it, If it was based on Mainframe technology using it as backend is not a bad idea IF the pipes and MIPS are there to handle load
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

You HAVE had to work in a serious IT environment, haven't you? I LIKE the motor pool concept... :).

Yes I have, as a network architect where I have to think about similar issues all day and at the end of the day everything had to work perfectly (or as close to perfect as humanly possible). Our group is always shooting for the magic 5 nines - which in laymans terms is 5 minutes of unplanned downtime in a entire YEAR.
 

Hot Lava

Well-Known Member
Though I have a trip scheduled in December and have setup all the FP+ stuff, customized the bands and all, I'm still reserving my judgement on the whole experience till I deal with it personally. Like the way they score diving in the Olympics (or used to, I believe) I'm dropping the lowest and highest score and averaging the rest. So the stunning reviews of MDE and the horrid ones like this one above are tossed out. Not because I don't believe them, but more because extremes are vocalized more than what I consider the real world average experience, which is what I assume I'll get.

So reading all this, and all the complaints, make me wonder about how things are going to go in the next couple months. Thanksgiving and Christmas through NYD are the busiest times at WDW. So if these issues are not worked out, aren't problems going to increase exponentially over these busy times? I wonder how it will be that week of Christmas-NYD.

It will be interesting to see the feedback coming for the next few months. I don't hold out much hope for things going well. I feel for anyone going during this time.
 
I've just got back from a week in Disney. I wasn't impressed with the bands at all. Things don't work faster they just work differently. I had no desire to walk around with an unsightly lump of plastic strapped to my arm.

I have to wonder what sort of main frame computer Disney are plugged into because the information it holds is extraordinary. When my daughter logged into the My Disney account to add our tickets using her name and email the computer offered up my mothers identity instead of my daughters. My mother who has been dead for six years and has never been entered into any database by daughter under any circumstance. My mother never visited America or Disney. We were shocked and unsettled to the point that we threw the bands away.
 

G00fyDad

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I've just got back from a week in Disney. I wasn't impressed with the bands at all. Things don't work faster they just work differently. I had no desire to walk around with an unsightly lump of plastic strapped to my arm.

I have to wonder what sort of main frame computer Disney are plugged into because the information it holds is extraordinary. When my daughter logged into the My Disney account to add our tickets using her name and email the computer offered up my mothers identity instead of my daughters. My mother who has been dead for six years and has never been entered into any database by daughter under any circumstance. My mother never visited America or Disney. We were shocked and unsettled to the point that we threw the bands away.

Sorry, but I call BS. Disney would not have her name in any database and therefore would not have it available to just slap onto a band. That would be like me suddenly coming up with her name out of the blue. If you never gave it to Disney then Disney would not have any way of knowing it. Nice job trying to incite the masses though. If you don't like the band then just say so and leave it at that. There's no need to make this sort of thing up.
 

G00fyDad

Well-Known Member
You are wrong! However, I'm happy to see you are as disturbed by this information as I was.

The information did not disturb me. Only the made up story and the idea that you thought anyone in their right mind would believe it. Again, if you don't like the bands then say so. That I can respect. Making up a story like this to garner more favor for your opinion is just childish.

Short of clairvoyance Disney would have zero way to know you deceased mothers name if you never once used it on a reservation or anything Disney related.
 

Cesar R M

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The information did not disturb me. Only the made up story and the idea that you thought anyone in their right mind would believe it. Again, if you don't like the bands then say so. That I can respect. Making up a story like this to garner more favor for your opinion is just childish.

Short of clairvoyance Disney would have zero way to know you deceased mothers name if you never once used it on a reservation or anything Disney related.

I find his statement BS too.
The late lady must have been in SOME database in some way..
or the person in question had added the late person in one of the accounts.
information cannot appear out of nowhere.
Disney is not the NSA.


So the information must have come from somewhere..
My ideas would be:
a) linked Facebook with shared information?
b) Older client of any of the disney corp relevant companies?
c) The account caché of CHROME/IE/FIREFOX (called AUTO FILL in some browsers, or AUTO COMPLETE) might have took the information from other form filled by you, and added it when the information you were writing, was suggested due of the similarity.

my bet is on C.
 

Cesar R M

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Unless you put a video of that happened, I dont think anyone here will believe you.
Its way too unreal (technology wise).
And like I said, the most probable cause was the browser linking the information that you mentioned on another forum/site/webpage/form and suggested it as "fill".

Of course, unless you want to ramble and claim your computer is being haunted by spirits.
 

jlsHouston

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I just had an opportunity to test the bands this week, and I just have to say it was a nightmare experience. The resort and park staff could not get my daughters' tickets to work with their bands so they were denied admittance to parks, they could not fast pass, we could not make dining reservations. I stood in line or sat on phone hold more than four hours during our trip last week, and no one was able to help us. They just kept shrugging their shoulders and passing us off to other people. Or they would stand around in a group and stare at the screen and say, "Wow, we don't know how to fix that. This is a job for IT." "IT will email you when it's fixed." "IT doesn't work weekends." We lost two of our four days on vacation to this nightmare and Disney did ZERO to compensate us for our troubles -- and we paid full fare. They told us that since we chose to use the bands this was the risk we ran. Only, we were not given a choice; we were told this was just the new system.

The website was buggy, and their kiosks were constantly down. My BIL who works in IT Support for a major cell phone company and was traveling with us, commented that he thinks the same people who built the Obamacare site built the mydisneyexperience site -- it was that bad. It was not ready to go live. And Disney had no common sense stopgaps in place for situations that could not be managed. I asked for a business or VIP card I could show at the park to get my kids in. I asked for the bands to be reissued. I asked for escalation in support. I called the internet help line, and I was told by the person who answered the phone that I needed to call the internet help line. Mydisneyexperience was THAT ridiculous. No solutions or compensation were offered or provided. Disney just kept canceling my kids tickets and reissuing them, which never fixed the problem.

Ultimately, the issue was that they could not link the tickets to my children's avatars. So they made shadow avatars, which then made the problem even more confusing and difficult to resolve because the shadows would not link either. And then, in a final act of desperation they told me that this was my travel agent's fault and there was nothing more they could do for me unless I showed up in person with the agent at one of their guest services locations. What are the odds of any guest being able to make a travel agent magically appear? As luck would have it, I actually had access to my agent and drug him to the support counter in downtown Disney. We stood in line and he did nothing but lend me moral support until they completely wiped out both of my children's accounts and reissued their passes in about 10 minutes. When the agent asked if he could have done something different to avoid the issue, the employee said, no this was an implementation issue on our end. So it WAS Disney's problem the entire time. Their staff just passed the buck over and over. Everyone in our tour group had some sort of issue, no one was immune.

I was only able to make fast pass selections for myself, but the rides I wanted to do were already booked. So I what I see coming is the need to schedule rides like dining experiences -- 6 months in advance and after you've already paid the money for the trip. Anyone who wants to attach their credit card to a system so buggy and poorly designed is asking for trouble. I would wait to visit Disney until next year. Hopefully they can get the kinks worked out and actually train their staff on implementation by then. Meanwhile, we repurposed a 1st Visit button we found to a "Last Visit."

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: I bought non refundable airline tickets
 

jlsHouston

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We are about to test the bands in a few weeks and stories like this make me a little nervous. I am almost preparing myself for problems, but as long as it's a simple fix I don't think I would complain about it here or anywhere. Now if I have to spend hours of my vacation that keeps us from something we had planned you better believe y'all will be the second to know. Disney will be the first. When you spend thousands of dollars on a vacation you certainly do not want a technical issue to delay you in anyway.

I am EXACTLY where you are at on this one...I am a little nervous, because I have seen even the batteries go dead on the room door when one of us ran back to get one of the KTTW cards the kids left and the adult KTTW card wouldn't open the door. It took 73 minutes to get a master key and live body to open the door to our room...we could have gone to the park and stood in line outside at the guest service/ticket counter and replaced DGD card faster had we know the nightmare wait ahead of us.

And this was just a dead battery issue which is pretty low grade technology...

I am kind of freaked because I split the stay between Wl/Dolphin not realizing the FP+ was in full swing with MM+.

I am freaked that even if there are no paper FP's the stand by lines for the mountains and Peter Pan and Soaring will never be under 30 minutes even during the parades and fireworks and EMH allowing us to experience those rides if we don't have FP+ we can utilize

I will really miss WDW but if this turns badly for us, I will do Disneyland for Easter. And my summer trip will be a week a WDW and a week at UNI. Kids are going to have to learn about Harry Potter.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
The information did not disturb me. Only the made up story and the idea that you thought anyone in their right mind would believe it. Again, if you don't like the bands then say so. That I can respect. Making up a story like this to garner more favor for your opinion is just childish.

Short of clairvoyance Disney would have zero way to know you deceased mothers name if you never once used it on a reservation or anything Disney related.

Bzzt Wrong, Google Acxiom - its a data broker and Disney is among its many customers a family registers and disney buys data about family for marketing customer probably was not meant to see that data
 

ABQ

Well-Known Member
Bzzt Wrong, Google Acxiom - its a data broker and Disney is among its many customers a family registers and disney buys data about family for marketing customer probably was not meant to see that data
Are you certain it's Acxiom Disney is using? I haven't seen anything that ties the two companies to one another, at least not in the last decade or so.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Are you certain it's Acxiom Disney is using? I haven't seen anything that ties the two companies to one another, at least not in the last decade or so.

Not certain Acxiom is Disney's data broker, They are the biggest and cheapest but Disney certainly could be using one of Acxiom's competitors instead I make the assumption they are using Acxiom because whenever making a reservation I use the address in the format used in the USPS database, Disney alway's wants to 'correct' my address to the one in the Acxiom database.

It is an interesting exercise to buy your own data and see what assumptions the data brokers are making about you.
 

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